As the title says, between the two which would you choose?
Basically between Mothers and Turtlewax ICE.
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I'm looking at getting a new complete set of detailing products for my car, and trying to find out the best I could get.

Where's the button for Meguires? Sorry, ima die hard Meguires fanatic!

I personally think that ICE stuff ain't worth a damn.

those are the only two things i can find in any stores around me. I havent personally used either, but i have a strong lean towards the actuall clay bar.

The Trutle wax line now has a clay bar type stuff. It is a paste. We just got it in my store (PepBoys) a few weeks ago. Have not had a chance to read up about it yet. Will try to get a look at it and post up some more info later.

But as far as your Q. I bought the mothers Clay bar kit last year and only used it once and it seemed to work very well. A freind of mine that worked at another PepBoys in town tried the Turtle Wax Ice on his truck and said that it seemed to last about 3 months before the beading effect wore off. I like the Eagle One Nano wax right now. Will try something new later on.

Ohh yeah forgot to add...

Turtle wax also has a car wash that is also under the ICE line of products. It looks like it might be worth trying out. That too is available at your local PepBoys:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: , I should really stop advertising for them..:cussing:

Where's the button for Meguires? Sorry, ima die hard Meguires fanatic!

I personally think that ICE stuff ain't worth a damn.

xxx20 It's the best on the market>:cssNET:

i would like to know as well! i need some detailing stuff this year

MEGUIRES......... I have been using their products longer then most of you have been alive. They have never let me down. People at shows are always asking what products I use. :twothumbs

It leaves a KILLER shine on my black Cobalt too!

All I ever used on any of my cars was Mothers.

Hasn't failed me yet.

well to me, i used the turtle wax ice before and leaves my paint feeling dry and rough, when i use this polish my uncle gives me, the paint feels like it is nice and rich and wet, so most of the time i use the polish and the polish leaves a better shine.

Yah you def need a Meguiars option up there. Their NXT tech wax is freakin great, gives it a beautiful, deep, wet, glossy look. They also have a PC 7424 dual action polisher that is labeled under the "Meguiars" name and comes with a lifetime warranty. Their professional line of polishes also do a great job of prepping the paint and their Gold Class and NXT car washes are my favorite of any brand, tons of suds, very lubricating and sheets water very well.

Meguiars FTW:twothumbs

I got a Meguires kit last year, and it was pretty good. But Mothers and ICE are the only two brand that I can find a complete detailing set of. I also heard that ICE has a money back guarantee, so it wouldnt be that bad to try it.

I got a Meguires kit last year, and it was pretty good. But Mothers and ICE are the only two brand that I can find a complete detailing set of. I also heard that ICE has a money back guarantee, so it wouldnt be that bad to try it.

Hell I see Meguires detailing kits in walmart all the time year round.

i only use meguiars..and mothers chrome polish is the only other product ive ever used and it worked well.

When you really learn to detail you really cant find a "kit" because it depends what you need. The best bet is to get the basics and then pick up other things from there that way you always have them handy at home. Just because it comes in a kit doesnt make it any better. Maybe Ii can help, what exactly are you looking for and how much do you want to put into the detailing?

How long has it been since your last waxing? last claying? Have you polished before? Do you wash by hand or car wash? These are some basic questions, we'll see how far you want to go and maybe I can give you some advice.

I use mothers and meguire....they are both very comparable products. I use mothers 3 stage and a meguires swirl remover.

The only thing that ICE is good for is cleaning the plastics/getting wax off the plastics and it does WONDERS on vinyl/harwood flooring...lol

As the title says, between the two which would you choose?
Basically between Mothers and Turtlewax ICE.

I'm looking at getting a new complete set of detailing products for my car, and trying to find out the best I could get.

The "best"? It's neither of those. None of the stuff you'll find at your local Walmart will fit that title. Some of it is ok, like the Mother's 3 Step, but still far from best. Detailersclub.com is a pretty good site if you want to get WAY into the topic.

When you really learn to detail you really cant find a "kit" because it depends what you need. The best bet is to get the basics and then pick up other things from there that way you always have them handy at home. Just because it comes in a kit doesnt make it any better. Maybe Ii can help, what exactly are you looking for and how much do you want to put into the detailing?

How long has it been since your last waxing? last claying? Have you polished before? Do you wash by hand or car wash? These are some basic questions, we'll see how far you want to go and maybe I can give you some advice.

I just want a variety of products so I can keep the car shine during the summer, and have it somewhat protected during the winter. It's black, so I need something that will make it last longer than just a wash since black is a pita to keep clean.

The car was waxed from the dealership in August, haven't waxed it yet by myself. I haven't used clay yet, but I'm looking into buying the Mothers clay bar and trying that out. I have not polished before, I bought the car into the fall and didnt have much time to do any detail work yet. We still have snow on the ground, so I won't be washing the car outside for about another month. During the winter I bring the car to car washes to keep it somewhat clean, but is seemingly impossible with snirt (snow/dirt) all over the place.

I have a photoshoot coming up in a few weeks for a magazine, and I want the car to look flawless on the outside. I also plan to be in a few small local car shows and need some quick detailers that I could use on-site at the show. The only reason I picked Mothers and ICE was because they were the products that I could find everything for. I'm kinda picky and I want to use the same brand for each product, so I don't screw anything up by crossing products. Also, if you could reccomend a good "starter" kit-arrangement. Like what type of products would be good to start with to have everything covered. Would a speedball be a good option to polish the aluminum wheels?

What about turbowax?

Meguiars FTW!

Sorry but MEGUIARS is thee best!

I just switched to ICE late last season and love it.

I ICEd my moms car tuesday, turned out pretty good but didnt really cover up scraches and such that well. And couldnt tell THAT MUCH of a differance than when we just hand wash it with meguiars gold class wash.
I have also used meguiars NXT tech wax and it was alot harder to get off but seems to leave a much nicer shine. :) Hope this was of some help.

I just want a variety of products so I can keep the car shine during the summer, and have it somewhat protected during the winter. It's black, so I need something that will make it last longer than just a wash since black is a pita to keep clean.

The car was waxed from the dealership in August, haven't waxed it yet by myself. I haven't used clay yet, but I'm looking into buying the Mothers clay bar and trying that out. I have not polished before, I bought the car into the fall and didnt have much time to do any detail work yet. We still have snow on the ground, so I won't be washing the car outside for about another month. During the winter I bring the car to car washes to keep it somewhat clean, but is seemingly impossible with snirt (snow/dirt) all over the place.

I have a photoshoot coming up in a few weeks for a magazine, and I want the car to look flawless on the outside. I also plan to be in a few small local car shows and need some quick detailers that I could use on-site at the show. The only reason I picked Mothers and ICE was because they were the products that I could find everything for. I'm kinda picky and I want to use the same brand for each product, so I don't screw anything up by crossing products. Also, if you could reccomend a good "starter" kit-arrangement. Like what type of products would be good to start with to have everything covered. Would a speedball be a good option to polish the aluminum wheels?

Ok good starting point to work from. You have the hardest paint to take care of....black:lol: but damn it looks good. First of all you dont need to stick with one brand of products just dont mix two different brands of the same product (i.e. a mothers wax and ICE wax, or two different brands of polish). The main reason I like Meguiars is because there professional line has such a wide variety of products that will take care of every need you have. But even Meguiars says find something you like and keep using it. So if ICE and mothers produces the results you like, then keep on using em.

If you could post some close up pics of your car in some good lighting, even the sun I can somewhat judge your paint and maybe help more.

Alright so everyone you ask will give you slightly different answers but as far as your basic starter kit goes heres what I would do:

-Car wash - lots of suds is good, it provides a lube for you to lift the dirt off without scratching the paint.

-Two buckets - you need one for your suds and one to rinse your wash mitt in.

-Wash mitt - any good chenille or microfiber or sheepskin but no sponges.

-Microfiber towels - a good waffle weave to dry with and several detailing towels to buff and wipe.

-Applicators - for applying cleaner/polish/wax I prefer foam but they do make microfiber also (do not mix products with these)

-Clay bar - make sure you get some detailing spray with it for lube, soap and water can work but breaks down some clay's (most clay kits come with detail spray)

-Paint cleaner - used after the clay to prep the paint for polish to make sure there is no contamination that could cause scratches.

-Polish - This is what can make your paint look better than when you got it. This will take out scratch (swirl) marks and give your paint that smooth glass like look.

Metal Polish - I dont polish anything right now however I have. The mothers ball is pretty good and so is the flitz. Mothers does make some good polishes that can be used by hand or machine as well as Meguiars.

-Wax - My favorite is Meguairs NXT tech wax, I used to use mothers and Turtle Wax but just cant beat NXT so far. Id say wax once every 1-2 months depending on how often you drive and what the car is exposed to. And wax your wheels, it helps so much with protection and getting off brake dust.

-Detailing spray - you will use it with the clay bar and it can be used other times such as cleaning in between washes.

-Interior spray/protectant - Make sure it doesnt have alcohol it will eventually dry your plastics out (like armorall). I like Meguiars NXT tech protect (also called cockpit shine) the best and it smells so good!

Now you may or may not want to do all of this but it will give you the best results. You also have to take into consideration that the paint cleaning/polishing/waxing will be much easier by machine. If you are really going to get into detailing your car to look absolutely flawless I suggest you buy a Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action polisher. It is a little pricey $150-200 but is well worth it and will produce results you can not achieve by hand. It will also save you a lot of time and a lot of back aches.

Hopefully this is a start as im sure you still have questions. Try and get some close up pics of your car up so we can see what kind of condition it is in. This info is just the tip of the iceberg of car detailing here are some links that are very helpful. These sites can provide you with information you were completely unaware of and can keep your car looking brand new. If anyone else has info or sees something I missed please chime in.

http://autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/

http://www.meguiars.com/howtocenter/

http://www.autogeek.net/detailingtips.html

Hope this helps:twothumbs

You might want to try out Meguiars new COLOR X. It takes the place of three of the of the four steps after washing. Clay baring should only be done once maybe twice a year. Depending on where you live. Meguiars new COLORX is the SH""""tz.

1.Wash with Meguiars car shampoo mega suds!!! Gold Classic
2.Use the COLORX takes the place of 1.paint cleaner 2.polish 3.carnuba wax
3.Then use Maguiars NXT Tech wax.
4. I only recommend the above after several good coats of wax have been laid down the old fashion hard way.
I have had many black cars in my day. I'm going on Fifty. So the more steps I save the more time I have to enjoy my car. Just my opinion.

Ok good starting point to work from. You have the hardest paint to take care of....black:lol: but damn it looks good. First of all you dont need to stick with one brand of products just dont mix two different brands of the same product (i.e. a mothers wax and ICE wax, or two different brands of polish). The main reason I like Meguiars is because there professional line has such a wide variety of products that will take care of every need you have. But even Meguiars says find something you like and keep using it. So if ICE and mothers produces the results you like, then keep on using em.

If you could post some close up pics of your car in some good lighting, even the sun I can somewhat judge your paint and maybe help more.

Alright so everyone you ask will give you slightly different answers but as far as your basic starter kit goes heres what I would do:

-Car wash - lots of suds is good, it provides a lube for you to lift the dirt off without scratching the paint.

-Two buckets - you need one for your suds and one to rinse your wash mitt in.

-Wash mitt - any good chenille or microfiber or sheepskin but no sponges.

-Microfiber towels - a good waffle weave to dry with and several detailing towels to buff and wipe.

-Applicators - for applying cleaner/polish/wax I prefer foam but they do make microfiber also (do not mix products with these)

-Clay bar - make sure you get some detailing spray with it for lube, soap and water can work but breaks down some clay's (most clay kits come with detail spray)

-Paint cleaner - used after the clay to prep the paint for polish to make sure there is no contamination that could cause scratches.

-Polish - This is what can make your paint look better than when you got it. This will take out scratch (swirl) marks and give your paint that smooth glass like look.

Metal Polish - I dont polish anything right now however I have. The mothers ball is pretty good and so is the flitz. Mothers does make some good polishes that can be used by hand or machine as well as Meguiars.

-Wax - My favorite is Meguairs NXT tech wax, I used to use mothers and Turtle Wax but just cant beat NXT so far. Id say wax once every 1-2 months depending on how often you drive and what the car is exposed to. And wax your wheels, it helps so much with protection and getting off brake dust.

-Detailing spray - you will use it with the clay bar and it can be used other times such as cleaning in between washes.

-Interior spray/protectant - Make sure it doesnt have alcohol it will eventually dry your plastics out (like armorall). I like Meguiars NXT tech protect (also called cockpit shine) the best and it smells so good!

Now you may or may not want to do all of this but it will give you the best results. You also have to take into consideration that the paint cleaning/polishing/waxing will be much easier by machine. If you are really going to get into detailing your car to look absolutely flawless I suggest you buy a Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action polisher. It is a little pricey $150-200 but is well worth it and will produce results you can not achieve by hand. It will also save you a lot of time and a lot of back aches.

Hopefully this is a start as im sure you still have questions. Try and get some close up pics of your car up so we can see what kind of condition it is in. This info is just the tip of the iceberg of car detailing here are some links that are very helpful. These sites can provide you with information you were completely unaware of and can keep your car looking brand new. If anyone else has info or sees something I missed please chime in.

http://autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/

http://www.meguiars.com/howtocenter/

http://www.autogeek.net/detailingtips.html

Hope this helps:twothumbs
This is the way I've done my car for years. All good web sites for detailed instructions.

i only use meguiars..and mothers chrome polish is the only other product ive ever used and it worked well.

I use mother's chrome polish on my muffler tip and rims too.
Otherwise it's eagle one nanowax. I love that I can take that stuff off without any residue left behind.

Yes COLORX is a very good product and can save you several steps. Actually if you are working srtictly by hand it is probably the best way to go.

As far as the clay bar goes, if you have never waxed before your going to need to clay, otherwise you run a very high risk of scratching your car. Basically after you get done washing put a ziploc bag around your hand and run it over the car, if you can feel small particles and not smooth surface then you need to clay. You will be surprised at what you can pull off the paint of a car you think is clean.

I use mother's chrome polish on my muffler tip and rims too.
Otherwise it's eagle one nanowax. I love that I can take that stuff off without any residue left behind.

I believe the mothers metal polish has a mild abrasive in it.....

Our rims are "plastic coated" you can use the same wax on your wheels as you do on your car.....unless you have aftermakret and I'm just not paying attention :lol:

I believe the mothers metal polish has a mild abrasive in it.....

Our rims are "plastic coated" you can use the same wax on your wheels as you do on your car.....unless you have aftermakret and I'm just not paying attention :lol:

Your right all polish is abrasive that is how it makes things look so good. It actually removes a very small amount of material to level the entire surface and directly reflect light and not scatter light off scratches and contaminants.

My favorite is the Next Generation spray detailer (in a purple and lime green bottle). Next would be Meguirs, Mothers and I would never use Turtle wax on any of my cars....had so many problems with it in the past.

Meguiars is the best in my opinion as well. Both Mothers and Ice are good products though.

i think Meguiars is the best:-D Its all I use !!

I ICEd my moms car tuesday, turned out pretty good but didnt really cover up scraches and such that well. And couldnt tell THAT MUCH of a differance than when we just hand wash it with meguiars gold class wash.
I have also used meguiars NXT tech wax and it was alot harder to get off but seems to leave a much nicer shine. :) Hope this was of some help.

better compounds are bit harder to work with and require a bit more elbow grease (or buffer time) but it leaves a much shinier surface that is as smooth as silk

im a fan on nanowax or tech wax... both leave a deep wet look

ICE is easy and quick, it got my vote.

ICE = shit

i am a Meguiar's man myself but i would choose Mothers over turtle wax

ice is great if your aware that it only lasts a week tops.


Mothers carnuba solid wax, in the big round tin is wonderful stuff.

I wouldn't have either of these two products. In my honest opinion, your paying for a name.

There are so many better solutions that you can buy from online retailers that are of comparable price. Only difference? These products rely on results, and popularity therein obtained from results. If a product works, it can get the blessing from the detailing community and become a hot seller.

These products don't need flashy websites, infomercials with questionable results, and floor space at your local Wal-Mart.

That's not to say Turtle Wax and Mothers products don't work, they do, but don't buy into the manufacturer claims. Check out sites like Autopia.org, and read, research, and become educated. That's really the best advice in the detailing world. I used to think Turtle Wax was the pinnacle of automotive wax, now I wouldn't use it on a winter beater. There are so many better products out there, that provide clear and concise results, not just amazing claims like "fills scratches in swirls" or "amazing gloss and reflection".

But everybody has there preference, nobody is "wrong". What works for somebody might not work for you. But your best bet is to experiment. You might discover a cheaper product that gives you better results than what your using today.

2nd. Theres so many better products out there, I would not waste your time w/ either of those :) just my .02 though

Meguiars... nuff said

Mothers FTW.... some other stuff works okay too, but I like mothers products......

Poor boys makes some of the best stuff out there. If i remember correctly you can buy some great stuff at harley dealerships too.

The items youre thinking of eat_world is s100. Basically relabeled p21s products more or less.
And yes, I have to agree on the poorboys comment ... but I'm slightly biased ;)

i used all the ice products to see how they worked.. the clay bar is amazing, got all my bugs on for months off with no problem and covers almost all the light scratches.. then i did the paste in the round tin which was pretty good i guess, and then did the detail spray on outside, came out looking awesome... did this in 50 degree weather to.. a month later car feels smooth.. i cant even lay a bottle on the car, will slide off.. also keeps my purple car looking dark and shiney like it came from factory.. but i plan to go to another wax do to how little wax and shit u get for the price.. going to megulars soon.. ice spray is awesome on interior though.. makes the black dash freaking shiney as hell.. that i will always use for interior and i dont have dusts problems as much when i use it :)

meguiars... ohhhhh yeahhhh

'"but don't buy into the manufacturer claims" that is a HUGE problem with many products in the market today.

Just for fun, long ago we did a series of test on over 50 brands, all do we have never talk negative about any products ( is not our style) I let the pictures speak for themselves
( your 2 products)

Trunk temp 160+ degrees, one table spoon of each product, one hour later,from the test we learn that at high temperatures the products dint perform as expected, so at the end, there's a lot more than a "pretty shine" you want protection.

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You might want to try out Meguiars new COLOR X. It takes the place of three of the of the four steps after washing. Clay baring should only be done once maybe twice a year. Depending on where you live. Meguiars new COLORX is the SH""""tz.

1.Wash with Meguiars car shampoo mega suds!!! Gold Classic
2.Use the COLORX takes the place of 1.paint cleaner 2.polish 3.carnuba wax
3.Then use Maguiars NXT Tech wax.
4. I only recommend the above after several good coats of wax have been laid down the old fashion hard way.
I have had many black cars in my day. I'm going on Fifty. So the more steps I save the more time I have to enjoy my car. Just my opinion.


I would use the NXT first... it's a Sealant, the carnauba should be on top of it.

To those that said poorboys, +1, i would rather go straight to the source and buy chemical guys tho.

I use Tropi-Care, Duragloss, Chemical Guys and Meguiars.

I use all the Ice lineup and am pretty pleased with the results considering I have no garage or carport so the sun is always beating down on my car....I think I'm going to try TurboWax next. I heard some good things about them.