Ok well im sick of losing and being "slow" and i have decided to save my money for a turbo swap. Im pretty sure i can get one done for less than $2000. Guys that have done this or know alot about turbos what do you suggest what parts i should throw together for a kit? What turbo? wastegate? intercooler? etc. Im trying to spend the least amount of money as possible bc im a broke college kid.

Thanks guys

i know some guys have swapped to turbos. If you dont wanna talk about it publically then pm me bc im dead serious about this.

dude thats sick!!!! not sure what you should do, im a stupid high school kid, lol, but otherwise, what are you going to do with the old parts? like pulley, injectors, HE, belt?

ill only be keeping the injectors but when i actually start taking parts off the car ill let u know

ill only be keeping the injectors but when i actually start taking parts off the car ill let u know

alright thanks dude!!

look on ebay cause they have intercoolers for like 150 and bov's for like40 and wastegates for like 40!!!! they also have turbos like gt28r and t4 or 50 trims for like 300-500 then just take the parts to a custom performance shop and have them custom make all the piping and stuff!! i think you will need a 2.2 turbo manifold as well but i dunno what else!! hope this helped a lil man

definetly did man thanks! Now I just need to figure out what kind of turbo, wastegate, etc i will need. Im aiming on low boost 300whp and 350whp(wont go there until clutch) up boost and 400whp+ with a built engine.

definetly did man thanks! Now I just need to figure out what kind of turbo, wastegate, etc i will need. Im aiming on low boost 300whp and 350whp(wont go there until clutch) up boost and 400whp+ with a built engine.

how bout garrett? they make good turbos and wastegates

before you even do the swap man i would use your money for the turbo swap to upgrade the clutch/flywheel and forge the motot and get a headgasket and everything!! cause at 300whp alot of ss/sc's go boom and urs is gonna be no exception so i would do that first and then maybe make th turbo kit like a winter project and then come out swinging full turbo next season!!! my 2 cents

well i was gonna actually try and keep the car around 280whp then do all that stuff near xmas. I was gonna go easy on the car until then. My clutch will be fine. Ljavy17's his on the stock clutch with meth and it doesnt slip and he beats me by 5 cars lol

reall y you wont need an intercooler, b/c of our aftercooler set-up unless you plan on eliminating, you need to figue out if ur gonna get a block off plate made up, just get a plater that holds your throttlbody and bolt it to the intake, u also need to decide on what turbo you plan on running, than u need to look into a header, whether you like it or not, i think using new equipment even with our motors being fairly easy to boost, you probably are gonna be over your budget

reall y you wont need an intercooler, b/c of our aftercooler set-up unless you plan on eliminating, you need to figue out if ur gonna get a block off plate made up, just get a plater that holds your throttlbody and bolt it to the intake, u also need to decide on what turbo you plan on running, than u need to look into a header, whether you like it or not, i think using new equipment even with our motors being fairly easy to boost, you probably are gonna be over your budget


I can wait on the intercooler. If the price is cheaper than hahn's kit than hell yea! Im very new to the turbo thing. What turbo would you suggest? I dont care how much this is gonna cost me i just have to stop losing to every car down here in SFL. I emailed a shoped called http://www.accarcraft.com/. Im waiting to here back from them on what prices they have to offer. Where would i find a good header also? I really appreciate all the info so far guys!

Look at the saab turbo, im pretty sure you can use the intake and exhaust manifold, but youll need an intercooler.

its too much money, youll have to have your car down for too long, its just not worth it bro, Ive been thought that, I had turbo manifold intercooler and everything and stoppped the project becuase its jsut not easy to find a shop that will build everything for you, piping and tunning and all, I say forget about it. Believe me. Just get meth, and with 25 degrees wyoull be hard to beat.

hmm i am goning to be doing this also... im gonna put my pulley on an get water meth then start building up the motor an come out in the spring with a turbo beast :D

also i am going to gut the supercharger so i dont have to take it off... unless i can find a place to make me a peice to use my stock aftercooler

its too much money, youll have to have your car down for too long, its just not worth it bro, Ive been thought that, I had turbo manifold intercooler and everything and stoppped the project becuase its jsut not easy to find a shop that will build everything for you, piping and tunning and all, I say forget about it. Believe me. Just get meth, and with 25 degrees wyoull be hard to beat.

I know man but it will be worth it all in the end. If i cant find everything within my budget then im just gonna buy meth and then do some internal mods like cams and the valvetrain. I just wanna hear the waaaaa psssshhhhhhh lol jk but really i have lost way too much and its pissing me off.

see thats why i am building up 1st.. incase i cant find anyplace to do all my custom shit which i basicly have cuz a guy i work with has a son that owns a shop.. getting a mandrel bender very soon.. he told me to buy a nice set of hearders and when i am ready for the turbo he will fab them up an make a nice turboheader :D

let me know how that goes 0redline6 ;)

see thats why i am building up 1st.. incase i cant find anyplace to do all my custom shit which i basicly have cuz a guy i work with has a son that owns a shop.. getting a mandrel bender very soon.. he told me to buy a nice set of hearders and when i am ready for the turbo he will fab them up an make a nice turboheader :D

haha dude thats awsome and when you do it, we meeting up, you live like 15 mintues from me!!!

haha well probly wont be till end of fall which blows but i wanna try to aim for the end of summer... idk how well that will go.. plus i hope the gutted supercharger thing will work out.. some people on here have said it should be fine.. tho i would like to sell the s/c an pulley....

You DO NOT NEED an air-to-air intercooler. Superchargers create more heat the turbos and the water-to-air intercooler on the car now works fine. Therefore all you need is a hat for the top of the manifold.

Definatly no need to get ride of the aftercooler since everything is installed and in place. Just about any fab shop should be able to make an adapter plate for it to mount the throttle body. A solstice uses it running 20+psi and close to 400whp with it.

see thats why i am building up 1st.. incase i cant find anyplace to do all my custom shit which i basicly have cuz a guy i work with has a son that owns a shop.. getting a mandrel bender very soon.. he told me to buy a nice set of hearders and when i am ready for the turbo he will fab them up an make a nice turboheader :D

I'd be careful here man. Most of the headers available for our cars wouldn't lend themselves very well to a turbo mani app without MAJOR rebuilding. And at that point it would probably be cheaper to just get a flange made and piece together the rest of the manifold from new tubes.

I'd just hate to see you drop $400 or more on a header and then hafta spend hundreds more making it into what you'd need.

Also I wouldn't suggest gutting your SC, you should be able to sell it with your pulleys and belts for more than an adaptor plate would cost, that way someone else gets a nice blower, and you get money in your pocket, and free up some extra space in the engine bay.. Although it would be cool to mess with people when the saw the SC and turbo, lol,

this was my old idea lol i have a company that is fabing there kit on my car so tey have everything!

Please Please...

Do not do this cheaply. Converting to a turbo setup is not a simple project.

What exactly do you need to know?

Listen to NJHK he knows his stuff and will save you from going BOOOOOOOM like most of the others.

If you cant find a manifold do a rear mount turbo by the trunk. It's alot of piping but it will be easier than custom making manifolds.

^^There should be plenty of manifolds on the market that would do the job. I know the jbody guys had few options, so at least one of them should work for our cars.

If you cant find a manifold do a rear mount turbo by the trunk. It's alot of piping but it will be easier than custom making manifolds.

Rear mount is more trouble and could lead to more issues than it's worth. Finding a manifold is not a hard task. I could name a couple places off the top of my head.

I would also suggest getting a high temp coating for the manifold to keep engine bay temperatures down and to also prevent cracking of the manifold from long term use/abuse. Jet Hot is a great company and they provide a 2000+ degree coating that they gaurantee won't crack.

Another question to ask you is are you running a internal wastegate setup or external cause this is important when finding a manifold (i'm assuming you're going external cause you said in your original post about getting a wastegate but I wanted to be sure).

^^There should be plenty of manifolds on the market that would do the job. I know the jbody guys had few options, so at least one of them should work for our cars.

Exactly.

right now im probably gonna save up for the TAG kit until i hear back from someone about their custom turbo kit their making.

does any1 know what the 1/4 mile times are for the cars with Tag turbo?

im guessing mid 12's

on low boost and a conservative tune

ok here's my idea, this may sound really retarded but it might work too......... what if instead of getting a turbo manifold, you installed the turbo in the downpipe where the cat goes, there's plenty of room and it's further away from the heat of the engine as well........next thing is if it's internally wastegated do you need a bov, and also if you gut the sc can you just continue to use the boost bypass on the sc and end plate instead of a bov?

NJHK?

ok here's my idea, this may sound really retarded but it might work too......... what if instead of getting a turbo manifold, you installed the turbo in the downpipe where the cat goes, there's plenty of room and it's further away from the heat of the engine as well........next thing is if it's internally wastegated do you need a bov, and also if you gut the sc can you just continue to use the boost bypass on the sc and end plate instead of a bov?

NJHK?

The manifold does much more than you think of just a place to put the turbo. The manifold is there to keep the turbocharger completely still, which will keep the oil lines still and keep a constant oil flow going vertical. It's also relying on the manifold for balance on the engine. If you were to just put a turbocharger (a decent size one is pretty heavy) just hanging around, it would be asking for trouble.

Having it be underneath the car is another thing asking for trouble as well.

The wastegate has nothing to do with the job of the blow off valve. The blow off valves job is to prevent compressor surging (air making the compressor wheel spin in the opposite direction). Whether it's internall or externally wastegated, it's needed. FYI, the job of a wastegate is to "regulate" the speed of the turbine to create a certain amount of compressed air on the compressor side.

The bypass valve on the supercharger, I would disable it (which I believe you can with HP Tuners). It works very differently than a blow off valve. The bypass valve (on a roots supercharger) stays open and then closes when entering boost...a blow off valve stays closed and then opens when releasing throttle.

awesome, thanks for the prompt reply, do you think if you went w/out a flex pipe you could keep the turbo steady and level enough, im not actually talking about just hanging it there but that being the location in the exhaust setup. the location of the cat is still protected pretty well its a few inches above the undercarriage..........or do you think it's just a bad way to set it up?

awesome, thanks for the prompt reply, do you think if you went w/out a flex pipe you could keep the turbo steady and level enough, im not actually talking about just hanging it there but that being the location in the exhaust setup. the location of the cat is still protected pretty well its a few inches above the undercarriage..........or do you think it's just a bad way to set it up?

You're welcome

But honestly, the farther the turbocharger is away from the engine...

1. The more distance there will be for the charge pipe - there could actually be a slight pressure drop. The more bends and travel air has to travel, the less pressure there could be.
2. The longer distance oil has to travel into the center section
3. The longer distance exhaust has to travel to enter the exhaust housing of a turbocharger. It's much more beneficial to catch the initial exhaust momentum coming out of the exhaust port during the exhaust stroke (when the exhaust valves). This might be minimal...but the keyword is might, you sometimes have to think in theory to come up with the best setup.

And also, having it even being lower, you have to think about gravity pushing oil downwards back into the oil pan. If it is parallel with the block, it will be more likely of it backing up into the center section and that would just cause a world of problems right there.

It would not be steady. To do all this just to avoid having a manifold is just silly in my eyes.

awesome those are the exact answers i needed, i was hoping to keep my pacesetter header, i love it, but it won't be practical with a turbo, my next question is does the 2.0 produce enough exhaust to spool up a gt35r w/out massive amounts of lag? or do you think a gt28r like the tag kit would be better till i get the heads done, i want to go big boost with minimal lag, if thaats even possible on such a small displacement engine.

awesome those are the exact answers i needed, i was hoping to keep my pacesetter header, i love it, but it won't be practical with a turbo, my next question is does the 2.0 produce enough exhaust to spool up a gt35r w/out massive amounts of lag? or do you think a gt28r like the tag kit would be better till i get the heads done, i want to go big boost with minimal lag, if thaats even possible on such a small displacement engine.

Yes, very possible to.

People over exaggerate "lag" like you slam your foot on the gas and the car doesn't move and then BOOM boost and you're a rocket in space. Even if there was any amount of delay in response that you notice, there are many of ways to improve this...

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1856

i've never ran a turbo before, so i don't really know what lag is like, the way i figure it a little bit will be good in first gear so i can launch a little better, just as long as it doesn't affect me on a road course.

Lag is usually over reacted. You should be fine.