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Just thought you guys might want to know. :mrgreen:

Cool. Should help the intercooler as well then I guess.

does anyone know any idea's of the quater mile for cobalt ss... i was thinking and hoping it would forsure be in the 14's

ive heard a projected 14.7 or something like that from an engineer that designed the car...some interview i read somewhere.

Car and Driver and Road and Track have run 14.7 with the Ion Redline. Sport Compact Car ran a 15.3, but obviously they suck. I think a guy on another forum was running around 14.7 as well.

the ion redline has achieved a 14.5 in stock form, the cobalt will have different gearing and supposedly be heavier, but the gearing should make up for it. i assume there won't be too much of a difference

http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-633%202004%20Saturn%20Ion%20Redline.pdf


small gain in hp looks like atleast 4hp throughout the whole power band and peak at almost 7hp, the car is still building power past the rev limiter cant wait to see the gm stage 1 upgrade w/ increase rev limiter. nice. tq is also verry nice gain looks like about 5tq gain throughout the power band w/ peak of 8.4 2500 rpm. nice. cant wait to see an exhaust or header for it. and ecu tuning.

http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-633%202004%20Saturn%20Ion%20Redline.pdf


small gain in hp looks like atleast 4hp throughout the whole power band and peak at almost 7hp, the car is still building power past the rev limiter cant wait to see the gm stage 1 upgrade w/ increase rev limiter. nice. tq is also verry nice gain looks like about 5tq gain throughout the power band w/ peak of 8.4 2500 rpm. nice. cant wait to see an exhaust or header for it. and ecu tuning.

i've got a header on the way, and it's supported by a 15% increase in HP, we'll hope that holds true. i guess it was VERY impressive though

is it the one on the redline forum that is a 1 time deal? did they ever provide dyno sheets?

Thats a good gain for a CAI, smoothens out the torque curve too. Looks like a bolt ons may really open up some power, especially if stage 1 with a higher redline becomes available.

its a shortram not a cold air, which i find no significant difference between the two cuz when your driving the air in the engine compartment is moving so the cool air is coming in so i find no difference between the two. unless your dynoing.

Cool, short rams are easier and you have to worry less about puddles and such anyways. Thanks for the info.

is it the one on the redline forum that is a 1 time deal? did they ever provide dyno sheets?

yes it is, no dyno sheet, and i believe as of now it is a one time deal until production begins in-house for them. that could be a while. but with purchase, you are guaranteed 50% off any future upgrades to the product, so a new header becomes available that gains more HP, you get 50% off that one. also, after a dyno he's getting next week, if the results are favorable, he's putting a 15% hp increase guarantee! at 207 to the wheels, that is a 31.05 gain in power, netting 238.05 to the wheels. he stated that an SRT after him was dissapointed afterwards regarding their numbers compared to the redline! sounds good enough to me for under $400 shipped!

damn that much power from a header exhaust on the lsj must be extremly restrictive

damn that much power from a header exhaust on the lsj must be extremly restrictive

that's what i'm thinking, that way they can offer upgrades to get power like on the srt, i don't think all too much was messed with to get to 270hp on the sema cobalt

on the sema 270 a majority of it was ecu tuning rev limter increased to 7grand or more thats where the lsj makes alot more power. 16 psi and ecu tuning is mostly what it consists of. and knowing gm how they underated the rL and cobalt it mostlikely will be 270 whp. if i get a cobalt ss s/c and they get carb approval and it fits i will so get one, depends on if borla makes one. i love borla i hope they do.

I own a SRT4. The majority of both SRT4s and WRXs (fellow F.I. 4bangers) get any kind of intakes do not like the results. This is for both Short ram and for Cold air. The problem is, the cars PCM/ECU is tuned for the stock air box and may have trouble adjusting to an aftermarket intake. I understand that you car is SC unlike ours, but I think you may experience the same problem. Also, there are members who have had a positive experience with the intake.

My advice is, buy one from a place you can return it.

CAI's show more of a gain than short ram's and then the V2's show even more gain, only a couple more horses though. But if your worried about the water coming up your intake with a CAI then don't drive through lakes, lol because thats the only possibility your car would get f'ed up is because you submerged it.

ive aways used short ram and made custom tubing makeing to ram air going right to the filter and painting the tube black sp you cant see it. lol i did it to my malibu using stock intake with a 3 inch tube going into the front bumper grill and my car picked up 3 mph in 1/4 and almost 2 tenths and ive dont it to a few other cars and they all picked up from it :cssNET:

the ion redline has achieved a 14.5 in stock form, the cobalt will have different gearing and supposedly be heavier, but the gearing should make up for it. i assume there won't be too much of a difference

redline = 2930lb
cobalt SS = 2806lb

CobaltSS is 124lb lighter... in drag racing world they say every 100lb = 0.1 off your 1/4 time :)


Osman

redline = 2930lb
cobalt SS = 2806lb

CobaltSS is 124lb lighter... in drag racing world they say every 100lb = 0.1 off your 1/4 time :)


Osman

is that an official weight, i was under the impression that the cobalt would be heavier

That is the weight claimed by SCC and MotorTrend in their recent reviews of the car, as well as the weight listed on GMCanada.com. However, chevrolet.com still has the weight listed as 2991... which has been there a while.

I guess we still don't really know lol.

i just can't see it being that much lighter with bigger wheels and non-plastic body panels. you'd think that they'll be pretty close to each other

saturn has 4 doors

The projected might be better, I have been told that Gm under rated the hp, its 240hp instead of 205. the SS might run in the high 13's

The projected might be better, I have been told that Gm under rated the hp, its 240hp instead of 205. the SS might run in the high 13's

there is no mechanical difference in the drivetrain of the Cobalt and the Redline

saturn has 4 doors


cobalt has sheet metal and 18s...

GM changed the transmition from the Redline, so it should put more power to the ground, and a better gear ratio, so there should be a better quater mile time.

there is no mechanical difference in the drivetrain of the Cobalt and the Redline
Sure there is the transmissions are different. RL is a getrag and the SS is a FPG.

Sure there is the transmissions are different. RL is a getrag and the SS is a FPG.

redline has the F25, or is it F35, either way, same as in the cobalt, and they didn't modify the gear ratios anymore, probobly wasn't cost effective

GM changed the transmition from the Redline, so it should put more power to the ground, and a better gear ratio, so there should be a better quater mile time.

that's why the magazines have only gotten what can be done in the RL :rolleyes:

they are the SAME cars, minus cosmetics. i've read of the gear ratios being changed, but the gear box is the same. also, they're no longer going to have different gear ratios

they are the SAME cars, minus cosmetics.

Yep, they really are. I don't see why the Redline and Cobalt SS should be pitted against each other, they offer virtually equal performance just in a slightly different package. Obviously the differences are more significant than in the J-twins, but the real issue right now is achieving credibility for the Delta chassis and LSJ engine.

I believe that the positive press the Cobalt is getting also shines on the Redline, even though it was mostly overlooked in the press.

I have a question about CAI/Short Ram's -- i know you have to watch out for puddles, what if it's raining really hard and there is mist everywhere coming up from cars infront of you, is that the same, and how deep of a puddle are we talking?

Look, I have a CAI on my ION. I've driven through heavy rain, snow, hail and all kinds of weather. If your absolutely worried about water entering your engine, there is the option of the AEM bypass valve. You cut your intake where you want to insert this valve, and clamp it to both sides of the now cut intake. It's basically a sponge that does not allow water to channel up into the throtle body. I don't even have one, but I've been fine anyways. If your that worried about going through puddles, just put your car into neutral when your driving through one, and your intake won't suck up any water.

Look, I have a CAI on my ION. I've driven through heavy rain, snow, hail and all kinds of weather. If your absolutely worried about water entering your engine, there is the option of the AEM bypass valve. You cut your intake where you want to insert this valve, and clamp it to both sides of the now cut intake. It's basically a sponge that does not allow water to channel up into the throtle body. I don't even have one, but I've been fine anyways. If your that worried about going through puddles, just put your car into neutral when your driving through one, and your intake won't suck up any water.

i don't think the Redline and the Cobalt SS/SC intake are actually the same. I think they are routed differently in the car.

Ok I have driven a Redline and the gear shift is EXACTLY the same as the SS/SC. I couldn't tell any a difference. I asked the Redline guy what the exact tranny was in his car. He wasn't sure but thought it was was the same as the SS/SC.

I can't find anything about the saturn transmission in the Redline on their site. From the media.gm.com press kits the SS/SC has the FPG F35 transmission.

i don't think the Redline and the Cobalt SS/SC intake are actually the same. I think they are routed differently in the car.

Ok I just looked at both cars.
The redline and the ss/sc intakes are completely different. The Cobalt SS/SC looks like it goes into the driver side wheel well. The ION picks up it's air from inside the air damn. Completely different :(

Yah i also heard from a GM rep that the SS is putting out at least if not more than a SRT4 Neon so that would be 235-240 HP ....Chevy under rated the car to lower insurance and for the actual HP to be a secret from competitors

I have a question about CAI/Short Ram's -- i know you have to watch out for puddles, what if it's raining really hard and there is mist everywhere coming up from cars infront of you, is that the same, and how deep of a puddle are we talking?


the depth of the puddle would have to fill your intake with water

mine CAI was down in my fender, and it sucked up water during a heavy rainfall, and fucked up my 02 sensor, which then fucked up every other sensor on the car

def put in a bypass valv

Yah i also heard from a GM rep that the SS is putting out at least if not more than a SRT4 Neon so that would be 235-240 HP ....Chevy under rated the car to lower insurance and for the actual HP to be a secret from competitors

That's cute. :lol:

srt4 runs round 9.2-9.4 in 1/8th and cobalt ss is off by bout .01 from being right there with the srt4 so for the 1/4th mid to high 13'3

srt4 runs round 9.2-9.4 in 1/8th and cobalt ss is off by bout .01 from being right there with the srt4 so for the 1/4th mid to high 13'3

No. Just because it may be close in the 1/8th mile time doesn't mean it will be near the same 1/4 mile time. The Cobalt will not get mid to high 13's in the 1/4 mile. Not stock at least.

str4s will run 13.9 stock, and have dynoed 250 ft lbs of torque stock, theres no way the SS can hold up to that

someone needs to dyno theirs :cssNET:

I don't think the ss will have 240 to the wheels, I mean it's the same engine as the ion redline which are putting down around 210 at the wheels. That would be sick though if they did come with around 235-240, and if they did come with that, I would think this car would dip into the 13's stock from a good driver. Someone with an ss should dyno their car. I would.......if i had one. I plan on getting my yellow ss around July, latest August. Waiting is my only option since I don't have the funds right now. It sux.

I actually might go get mine dynoed because i am tired of listening to rumors that i have been told or have heard...i want to find out for sure

Well in the May 2005 issue of Motor Trend, they had a comparison test between the Cobalt SS and The SRT-4, the Cobalt ran 0-60-6.1 sec and 1/4- 14.4 sec @ 99.3 mph :D

what did the SRT-4 run in the Motor Trend mag?

what did the SRT-4 run in the Motor Trend mag?

05' Cobalt SS ran: 0-60: 6.1 sec. 1/4 mile: 14.4 sec. @ 99.3

05' SRT-4 ran: 0-60: 6.0 sec. 1/4 mile: 14.4 @ 100.8 mph

see here :
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1910

On the weight tag on my SS it says 3891 lbs...:( soo...our cars are porkers?

On the weight tag on my SS it says 3891 lbs...:( soo...our cars are porkers?

Thats gross vehicle weight. Thats the total of the car/ppl inside and cargo.

Thats gross vehicle weight. Thats the total of the car/ppl inside and cargo.

i say someone find a buddie with an SRT and see witch one wins... im sure the SRT would not win by much

Thats gross vehicle weight. Thats the total of the car/ppl inside and cargo.

OHH...ok thanks for the clarification!

whats a V2?

I think that after people run/dyno Cobalt SS's that are completely broken in times and numbers will change. I would say high 13's are very achievable.

I can feel a serious power difference now at 1005 miles.

I have messed with 3 stock SRT-4's and had no problems what so ever. The only one that has been a real race was one running 18psi of boost.

I would say the people driving them were good enough that driver error wasn't an issue. From a stop it's close but I haven't launched a FWD for at least 4 years. From a roll I pull on them pretty hard. The whole CSS has no top end is BS.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but would someone go out to their SS and confirm that the "air box" is already located in the typical location, down low in front of the driver tire. AEM and the others are just trying to market an item that is not needed. As was noted above, any changes in the location could disrupt the calibration. Besides, with all things considered by GM for the Cobalt and Redline do you really think they would leave out something as basic as CAI? I say boycott the crap aftermarket parts and demand some real performance products.

P.S. This is my first post so pardon the disruption.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but would someone go out to their SS and confirm that the "air box" is already located in the typical location, down low in front of the driver tire. AEM and the others are just trying to market an item that is not needed. As was noted above, any changes in the location could disrupt the calibration. Besides, with all things considered by GM for the Cobalt and Redline do you really think they would leave out something as basic as CAI? I say boycott the crap aftermarket parts and demand some real performance products.

P.S. This is my first post so pardon the disruption.

Well the air box is in the wheel well and that was me who confirmed it. Do I think they could improve on it though ? I do. The air box isn't a strait shot or even a close to strait shot into the throttle body. I would definetly go for a nice polished air intake without the clunky GM air box at the end.

I would say the people driving them were good enough that driver error wasn't an issue. From a stop it's close but I haven't launched a FWD for at least 4 years. From a roll I pull on them pretty hard. The whole CSS has no top end is BS.


The Cobalt SS has *NO* top end, oh wait I am going 120 already. :lol:

Not enough to see any gain worth the trouble. Perhaps a high flow filter. As far as a big shinny tube? Well, I suppose...

srry to post again but wht sa v2 intake? someone mentioned this and i dont knw wht tht is