The other day i was going through some dyno vids on youtube.com cuz i was curious to see what guys were putting down with the Si Civic. I have seen soo many of those Si civics around my neighbourhood. In my searching on youtube i saw this 07 civic Si with just an injen Cai mod. The guy put down 188whp @ 136 wtq. So with just a cai hes almost pulling 190whp. I know different locations and dynoshops vary due to SAE measurements at that given day, humidity ..etc...

But I also know with our 2.4s its gonna take an arm and a leg to get that high(190whp). I dont get it; why is honda so efficient at putting its power down to the ground while GM suffers so much from drivetrain power loss when it comes to n/a setups.

Also i think the civic si has a more better looking ass, compared to the SS, but the SS looks overall better than the si *side and front ss wins* in the looks dept.

To put it in girl terms:

The si is like the girl with a slim body not much of a rack, but a nice firm/round behind, an alright face, and puts out better
The 2.4ss is like the good looking girl with a slim body, the nice rack, but not much of a behind and doesnt put out as good as the si

 

It's mostly engine tuning, the Si is far more highly strung and not very torquey. The 2.4 is more neutrally tuned, set up for a good balance of power and torque. Not that the Si is a bad car, it's just that the two engines are tuned for very different results.

 

the issue with honda is getting that power to the ground, lack of torque is a killer

 

Keep in mind, its not all about whp. I'm pretty sure the honda on the dyno gets its peak hp at a very high rpm compared to the cobalt motors.

 

My 2.4 peaks hp at 6600

 

the si's power peak is at 7800rpm. and until they hit v-tech around 3500-3600(not sure what it is stock) they have nothing.

v-tech built for n/a
ecotec built for boost

 

Incorrect have you seen how well the v-tecs respond to boost ? That 7800 rpm is awesome when you are pushing 12 psi.

 

my friend.. honda's are torque -less monsters.... in the great word's of carol shelby...." horse power sells but torque wins races..

 

The new hondas=ugly, point made.

On A side note some guy in a new SI tried to race me this week, lol I told him I was putting down 150HP.

 

Thats not really what I meant but I'll explain a little better. Of course most cars will hit their peak near or around red line but thats not always true. Some cars peak at a lower rpm and start going back down at a higher rpm. My point is being strong throughout the entire powerband. Anothers words from 100rpms to 8000 rpms. The Cobalt motors stay strong throughout all of the rpms while the Honda begins to see alot of hp in the higher rpms. Know what I mean? The honda motor is not as strong all the way though.


As for boost on a Honda motor, hell yea. My uncles GS-R is making 450 whp and he can bumb it up a few notches if he wants. One of the badass Hondas I ever drove in.

 

yeah its 190 HP but look at the low ass torque numbers!

 

sry im mad hung over from the last 3 day's lol thats a whole nother thread

 

The K series is a great motor, as is the ecotec. Comparing the two is like apples to oranges though. Were they to have the same rev limit, displacement, technology, etc, then maybe it would be a fair comparison. As it stands you're trying to compare two motors that achieve their power levels very differently.

 

yet a lot of hondas can hang with other cars of higher horsepower (SS/SC, for example -- same general class of car) because they're geared differently. once a car gets accelerating, the dynamic of getting faster and faster changes. it's still torque that's pushing the car along, but it's the way the car directs the torque from the engine to the gearbox to the axles to the wheels.

hp/torque bench racing doesn't do much until you look stock for stock at 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. then you see a more applicable demonstration of the abilities of each car

 

on the contrary it isnt a drug. its a revelation! what id give for a shot right now...

honda's suck... they are boring cuz everyone has one.

 

Theres more torque in my wheel lugs than there is in most civics =)

A good friend of mine has a Civic SI and hes pushing 180 HP with a good tune. But he puts so little torque to the wheels its ridiculous. I owned him twice now....

Less HP but more torque can still win a race.

 

They have no torque.

Torque = Fun

 

agreed!! that's why the next car is a CTS-V

 

Have u ever seen a rsx s that is supercharged? those are ungodly beasts.

 

Yes they are, because they combine what they do well (high revs and good gearing) with TORQUE. Without boost, they are nothing special at all. 140wtq is good for mid 15's..even with an 8k rev limit.

 

That's the problem. I could see a 2.4 manual with bolt ons taking an si easily.

 

ive never got the chance to see a time slip from a sc rsx s. pulling 14.6..... i would highly doubt, just by what ive seen out in kent...... i would guess they gotta be good for at least a mid 13 second pass..... but like i said, im jus going by what ive seen. I also watched the end of a race between a turbo rsx s and a sc'ed gto..... the rsx was only like maybe 1 1/2 cars, 2 cars at most back..... it was an awesome race other then where it took place.....

 

i see.... i was all confused.... im scratching my head thinking....... 14.6.......... man im doing something wrong when im racing these guys...... haha weve got quite a few turboed and supercharged rsxs. havent seen any boosted 06 or 07 civics yet .

 

Wow this is all news to me. Since when did torque matter? It makes more power and it makes it over a wide rev range. Case closed. Torque is meaningless.

 

ummm are you serious? when my car was all motor, it was making 120wtq AT BEST and it was going 13.7's @ 100 on small ass slicks.

id like to know where you come up with this theory.