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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 10:29 PM
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Motor Trend -drive video/stage 2

For those that haven't seen it before, it's a nice compliment to the previous Car and Driver video just posted.
It features John Heinricey(sp), who heads "GM Performance development" from an engineering standpoint, but he's also a legend on the track. He was personaly responsable for the chassis/engine tuning of the Cobalt SC .......hands on (Nurburgring, Mosport, VIRetc).
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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link?
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by afdude2018
link?
I'm an old guy.........sorry, don't know how to post it that way.

Go to Motor trend mag and type "cobalt ss" in the seach area of the home page.

Scroll down a ways and you'll find it. Cobalt stage 2 etc.

That's the best I can do.

There are a couple of driving tips I found helpfull aswell, given this is my first FWD, so it's handling was odd to me at first.
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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I'll see if it'll let me view this vid over here...
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 01:36 AM
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Here is a link to the video, i'm pretty sure this is the right one
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 01:49 AM
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I'd lke to kick him in the ***** for not including an LSD as standard equipment
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 01:51 AM
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I'd lke to kick him in the ***** for not including an LSD as standard equipment
sooo my car is sub-standard? I'm lost.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 01:52 AM
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I've seen another article that said Lotus was responsible for the tune on the LSJ. Is that true?
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 02:02 AM
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sooo my car is sub-standard? I'm lost.
What i meant is that the LSD should have been standard equipment and not an option package
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 06' SS2SS
I've seen another article that said Lotus was responsible for the tune on the LSJ. Is that true?
It's hard to say. Lotus is used by virtually all the big "4" for chassis development; it's their buisness. Car production is a niche market for LOTUS.
GM has it's own people and facilities to do this, but who knows , they may own LOTUS these days.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 02:09 AM
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+rep for the vid
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 02:10 AM
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No not the chassis, the engine. I thought that when I heard Lotus had it's hands in the Cobalt project to, they are good at chassis and suspension. I'll try to find the article again and post it.

EDIT: Here is one article, there are more though.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z10374/default.aspx
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 02:14 AM
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Sweet video, but anyone catch his mistake at the end. The whole time they were saying that the Stage 2 gives the car 241hp right? Then at the end he said the open air concept cobalt had the Stage 1 kit, but had 241hp too. The car eaither had less HP or the Stage 2 kit. So he messed up somewhere. Not a big deal, I just pay attention to detail.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 02:24 AM
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Thanks for the link (I couldn't do it myself ) It's a good video. The driver is a Cup Car pilot (I can't remember his name) but none the less, he's a pro and offers insight into FWD Dynamics in a short way. It helped me understand the understeer better, and the corrections nesessary in a FWD car.
FWD, I don't think I'll ever embrace it. It's counter intuitive no matter how hard I try.
I'm not interested in Drag Racing for the most part, so it was nice to see a road racing video that involved true "driving", and how the chassis held up.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HViper
Sweet video, but anyone catch his mistake at the end. The whole time they were saying that the Stage 2 gives the car 241hp right? Then at the end he said the open air concept cobalt had the Stage 1 kit, but had 241hp too. The car eaither had less HP or the Stage 2 kit. So he messed up somewhere. Not a big deal, I just pay attention to detail.
Yup, I saw that video before and noticed the same thing.

It's still a nice vid, even though I have absolutely no interest in road racing.

Drag Racing is where it's at. 99% of all street racing is drag racing, them is the facts.

And besides, with road racing you can make a few mistakes while making the laps and still try to play "catch up" somewhere throughout the race.

In Drag Racing, there's only one lap. So if you make even just one mistake ....

You lose.

That's racing!
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 09:30 AM
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IMO this car should of come stock with not only LSD but with STG2. Whatever GM thanks for trying to nickel and dime your customer. Maybe if it did come stock with those options it would of done better in the tuner market as far as competition is concerned.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stbluSS
IMO this car should of come stock with not only LSD but with STG2. Whatever GM thanks for trying to nickel and dime your customer. Maybe if it did come stock with those options it would of done better in the tuner market as far as competition is concerned.
This is done by ALL of the car manufacturers.

I suppose the SRT boys are saying that the St. 3 kit and LSD (LSD was not even available until the '03 model) should have been standard for their vehicles as well.

And back in the late 60's, car enthusiasts were probably saying that all of their cars should have come with the Ram Air and the Drag Pack options already installed.

LOLOL

Bottom Line: $750 installed for a warranteed St. 2 is still the bargain of the century.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by firemanfrank
This is done by ALL of the car manufacturers.

I suppose the SRT boys are saying that the St. 3 kit and LSD (LSD was not even available until the '03 model) should have been standard for their vehicles as well.

And back in the late 60's, car enthusiasts were probably saying that all of their cars should have come with the Ram Air and the Drag Pack options already installed.

LOLOL

Bottom Line: $750 installed for a warranteed St. 2 is still the bargain of the century.

The SRT boys asked for the LSD and in 04 it was standard equipment.
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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Thanks for the link (I couldn't do it myself ) It's a good video.
hey no problem, loved the video. it was a great find
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo
The SRT boys asked for the LSD and in 04 it was standard equipment.
Yes I already knew that, because I actually owned a Black '04 SRT-4!

But I mistakenly typed "LSD was not even available until the '03 model" when what I wanted to say was "LSD was not even available until the '04 model".

Nice catch though ...
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Onyxd04Redline
I'd lke to kick him in the ***** for not including an LSD as standard equipment
GM Performance Division (John Heinracy) is not responsable for building and packaging automobiles. So you'll have to kick sobody else in the *****. He takes what they give him and makes them beutifull..........
He's a ******* SAINT in my world.
A guy that practices what he preaches; His work resulted in Chevrolet de-throning Dodge Vipers in the WSC, AMLS and at LeMans itself with the C5 and C6.
Interestingly (for Canadians), Ron Fellows was/is his right hand man concerneing
this development.
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo
The SRT boys asked for the LSD and in 04 it was standard equipment.
go get an SRT then

i have alot more respect for somone who can build a fast car, then somone who buys one
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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is that open air coupe coming out?
couse i saw that is the same motor than the ss/sc and the ss/sc will not be out any more
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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nice video
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Old Jul 12, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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nice video
Yeah, it's fun. I still go back and watch it now and again (for the 20th time).
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