What would be the largest shot you could give the SS S/C Safely,(IE when on the street) maybe 5-6times a motnth, and what would be the safest shot for it at the track maybe once a month.

Remember stock engine.

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you talking Nitrous? IM no troll, but there is no safe shot on the street, its completely illegal! Then again we all drive cars way too fast then they need to be already, so how can I complain....


Anyway I have no idea, but save your money and buy a staged kit, not nitrous.... You could probably get away with an 85 shot on stock engine, but I wouldnt go over a 50 shot.

Its not illegal in florida.

IM not going to say your wrong, although I think you are.

You cant pop nitrious on a residential road. Come on dude, speeding is illegal, and theres no way your going to pop nitrous and not be speeding so I call BS on that man. Prove me other wise.

Until then I am calling you wrong, and if it is legal in Florida, then they are a bunch of noob asshats....

haha he just said asshat. :lol: :lol: :lol: :beer:

I'm no nitrous guy by any stretch, but unless I'm mistaken, you can't shoot nitrous unless you're running wide open, correct? By that factor alone, it's use on public roadways may not itself be illegal in Florida, but the manner by which you get to the point you can use it is illegal, making the whole point mute. In the end, i personally think running nitrous period is stupid, especially on a stock motor.

who gives a shit whether its legal or not

what a way to not answer the question

just for being safe, pick up some colder plugs and run a 50 shot max.

:edit:
actually I just noticed you had an SS/SC...I don't know about nitrous on that car. They are having enough problems with intakes and headers.

Well the original question was..

SAFE SHOT....

My Answer is ZERO for a Safe Shot...

Here is "Colder Plug" if you didn't know

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Nitrous should only be used at Wide Open Throttle. Limit yourself to 50 At Most.

Be careful with the shifting, if you spray during shifts, you will have a problem. it's totally up to you.

If you must Spray, Get Control of the Nitrous. Don't just spray with a Red Button.


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There is a guy that runs a 75 wet shot in his SS and has had no problems. I believe that the build book even says 75 is ok. BUT....you WILL need to upgrade your clutch, probably even with the 50 shot.

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There is a guy that runs a 75 wet shot in his SS and has had no problems. I believe that the build book even says 75 is ok. BUT....you WILL need to upgrade your clutch, probably even with the 50 shot.


Is this "Guy" going to buy a new engine when it blows up?

I'm not trying to be a H8TR.

I want nobody to bitch if something goes BOOM, that's all.

Nitrous is not ever "Safe", there is always the risk that it will break shit.


There, End of My Thread Jack... :lol: Everyone has been warned.

get a WOT switch (which most have anyway) and a window switch so that you can control when nitrous engages and disengages. that way you can open the bottle and be on your way...

Per GM's various publication we can run up to 300 HP safely on the LSJ.

That would probably be about 75 shot.

Is this "Guy" going to buy a new engine when it blows up?

I'm not trying to be a H8TR.

I want nobody to bitch if something goes BOOM, that's all.

Nitrous is not ever "Safe", there is always the risk that it will break shit.


There, End of My Thread Jack... :lol: Everyone has been warned.


No...he will probably replace it with a used ford festiva engine. :lol:
No, but really, a 75 is ok. Come on...if GM says it is ok, then you know that it is safe enogh. Nitrous is only bad if you put too big of a shot on that your internals can handle. What would be the differnce between a car that has other mods that equal 300 on stock internals and n2o on a motor with stock internals....keeping in mind that both are not running too lean or rich.

No...he will probably replace it with a used ford festiva engine. :lol:
No, but really, a 75 is ok. Come on...if GM says it is ok, then you know that it is safe enogh. Nitrous is only bad if you put too big of a shot on that your internals can handle. What would be the differnce between a car that has other mods that equal 300 on stock internals and n2o on a motor with stock internals....keeping in mind that both are not running too lean or rich.


Ok, as long as the criteria of the discussion is that the car never goes lean, then yes I will agree with you. The thing is that Shit Happens and ECU's go crazy sometimes when things happen that they were never expecting... like 75+ HP

if you go to nitrous express they have all sorts of kits. anywhere from 25 shots to 1000. On stock internals I personally would run a 25 or 50 to be so called "safe" and for the track an occasional 75 I would use the 75 sparingly, even though the performance build book says the 75 is ok. I wouldn't want to push it.

Dont Use Nitrous on the street, your going to kill yourself, or worse, you will kill someone else...

and if you even think to use nitrous on the streets in FL, you should be slapped. Ive lived here my whole life, people CANT drive its a society handicap down here...

75 is perfectly fine as long as you have the system installed correctly and have all safety backups working properly. With a manual tranny car, you must install a window switch incase you miss a shift. A WOT switch used in inconjuction with the window switch will offer added protection so you dont have the nitrous engaged outside of WOT conditions. Keep the bottle at a consistent temperature, keep the lines purged, and keep everything in 100% operable condition. Nitrous use is all about safety. Break one of the safety rules and the chances of engine damage from nitrous use increase dramatically.
With that said, it is 100% safe to run a 75 shot if all rules are followed. Even CoBoltz007 idea of running a 50 shot and a 75 shot sparingly is an ok idea and would save a bit of wear and tear on the engine.
Any critic of nitrous can and should be classified as uneducated and scared of something they dont understand :rolleyes:

75 is perfectly fine as long as you have the system installed correctly and have all safety backups working properly....
Any critic of nitrous can and should be classified as uneducated and scared of something they dont understand :rolleyes:

Well read and spoken. I like how you mentioned that it has to be built and incorperated into the car in a planed way.

Who is that guy that runs the 75hp wet shot? O wait that's me, nevermind, yeah I will agree with the last 2 posts, if planned into the motor and all safety precautions are taken, nitrous is a proven, reliable and yes, Safe, way for a quick boost in power. Yes that clutch guy is also me, I did however leave that out of my planning stage, so I forgot, sue me, but that has since been taken care of with a stage 2 from SPEC. It kicks ass!!! Also a good suggestion is the 255/50/16 BFG G-force drag radials I run at 6-8psi, instant grip and NO wheel hop, I love the whole setup right now, very satisfied with the car and I have had no problems that others seem to have right now, maybe I got the over-inspected one from the factory I don't know, no codes, great boost (16-18 when on the spray), and still excellent gas mileage, word of warning, treat a nitrous car right though, thorough inspections after each track night or night of heavy spraying, I'm an aircraft mechanic so that comes seond nature to me on everything, I've seen some crazy stuff on planes you don't want to know about that people are lazy and just don't want to bother looking at, just be careful. Jon

A little off topic but..Say you have a nitrous kit and a WOT switch. You're street racing and you get to WOT and the nitrous engages. You're zooming along and a car cuts in front of you. You take your foot off the gas*, and then apply the brake.**

Now for my questions:

* If you take your foot off the gas while the nitrous is engaged, does it disengage since you arent at WOT? Also, would the car keep accelerating if the nitrous stayed engaged for a few seconds?

** If you apply the brake with nitrous is engaged, does it disengage?

Thanks guys

who gives a shit whether its legal or not

what a way to not answer the question

just for being safe, pick up some colder plugs and run a 50 shot max.

:edit:
actually I just noticed you had an SS/SC...I don't know about nitrous on that car. They are having enough problems with intakes and headers.

I AGREE WITH U ON THAT ONE who cares if its legal... its all about the speed and adrlin
i couldnt tell u personaly what to use. i know that the piston are forged steel and the bottom end is pretty strong with the bullite crank shaft so id do what he just said 1 range colder spark plugs and a 50 shot

A little off topic but..Say you have a nitrous kit and a WOT switch. You're street racing and you get to WOT and the nitrous engages. You're zooming along and a car cuts in front of you. You take your foot off the gas*, and then apply the brake.**

Now for my questions:

* If you take your foot off the gas while the nitrous is engaged, does it disengage since you arent at WOT? Also, would the car keep accelerating if the nitrous stayed engaged for a few seconds?

** If you apply the brake with nitrous is engaged, does it disengage?

Thanks guys
If you have a WOT switch then the nitrous is only spraying when the throttle is wide open. There is no nitrous cut off switch for the brakes. If youre on the brakes and at wide open throttle then youre probably on LSD or smokin too much of the happy grass and shouldnt be driving anyways :lol:

No...he will probably replace it with a used ford festiva engine. :lol:
No, but really, a 75 is ok. Come on...if GM says it is ok, then you know that it is safe enogh. Nitrous is only bad if you put too big of a shot on that your internals can handle. What would be the differnce between a car that has other mods that equal 300 on stock internals and n2o on a motor with stock internals....keeping in mind that both are not running too lean or rich.
Yes the GM build book does state that a 75 wet shot is ok on a stock engine (2.2L), It also states any mods done in this book will void any and all warranties. So take it for what its worth.

would the car keep accelerating if the nitrous stayed engaged for a few seconds?

Thanks guys

No, The Throttle Body is closed, No Air Entering the Intake Manifold, Car will Slow down like normal.

I played with nitrous for a year or so on my Z24, 2.4. NX wet kit with WOT switch. I safely ran a 50 for a year. Went through around 8 bottle fills. I had over 100,000 km on the car before I installed it. I sold the kit, sold the car and was still on the road for 2 years after with the original engine. Nitrous can be safe, but I suggest buying a book about it, reading it, understanding what N20 is and go from there. Most nitrous accidents happen from human error and little education of engine dynamics and power adders. Also, N20 is illegal in some areas on public roads not because its a road hazard but because it is in fact dangerous goods.

So with that being said a big ass N20 placard on the back of the car should make it ok right? lol......yea :nuts:

Yes the GM build book does state that a 75 wet shot is ok on a stock engine (2.2L), It also states any mods done in this book will void any and all warranties. So take it for what its worth.


what about the 2.4L?

hmm, the 2.4l, that is a good question, did you see the supercharger in super streets new parts edition mag this month, it says for the 2.4l!!! you should check that out, lot's of good parts in there. Think I'm going to go ahead and order that gm race block and ported head!!! Maybe some cam blanks too, tax returns are gonna be nice...

that sounds killer and I'm gonna have to get that mag and see whats going on :cool:

I played with nitrous for a year or so on my Z24, 2.4. NX wet kit with WOT switch. I safely ran a 50 for a year. Went through around 8 bottle fills. I had over 100,000 km on the car before I installed it. I sold the kit, sold the car and was still on the road for 2 years after with the original engine. Nitrous can be safe, but I suggest buying a book about it, reading it, understanding what N20 is and go from there. Most nitrous accidents happen from human error and little education of engine dynamics and power adders. Also, N20 is illegal in some areas on public roads not because its a road hazard but because it is in fact dangerous goods.

So with that being said a big ass N20 placard on the back of the car should make it ok right? lol......yea :nuts:


Good man right here.... i was gunna say that. but u got there 1st. It can be safe, if ya know what your doing. Good show old boy

BTW- how come when ppl ask Q's on here, we get 900 ppl telling them if they should doit or not?? answer the Q, or don't chime in. yeaaa thanks!

find that mag yet? wish I had a scanner I would scan the page in, oh well, I still haven't posted picks of my n2o system, I'm sucha slacker, damn 12 hour shifts...

not yet gonna go get it tomorrow and check it out.

some friends of mine said I should do a wet shot of 50, Since my car is auto when should I hit the nitrous

some friends of mine said I should do a wet shot of 50, Since my car is auto when should I hit the nitrous
Thats why it would be good to have a RPM window switch.

Hey I Couldn't Find That Mag Where Can I Look For It On The Internet?

my god, some people dont know a thing....gm build book, ecotec 2.2L is good for 75 shot. the 2.0 lsj has different internals, i would imagine atleast that. will try to find out tonight.
could you people please do some research before you post. it is so damn obvious that so many of you are commenting before you actually know.

I played with nitrous for a year or so on my Z24, 2.4. NX wet kit with WOT switch. I safely ran a 50 for a year. Went through around 8 bottle fills. I had over 100,000 km on the car before I installed it. I sold the kit, sold the car and was still on the road for 2 years after with the original engine. Nitrous can be safe, but I suggest buying a book about it, reading it, understanding what N20 is and go from there. Most nitrous accidents happen from human error and little education of engine dynamics and power adders. Also, N20 is illegal in some areas on public roads not because its a road hazard but because it is in fact dangerous goods.

So with that being said a big ass N20 placard on the back of the car should make it ok right? lol......yea :nuts:

Good post. Nitrous is a great way of adding lots of power to your car. IF done correctly. Too many guys run around the process and want just the end result..in which case its them purchasing a new motor.

Why do you guys live by that damn build book? Open you're eyes alittle and see what some people are capable of. Theirs j-bod's hitting 300 whp on stock internals.

I will say though thats with boost not nitrous. two totally different games. Boost power doesn't come all at once like spray. Spray breaks more things.

Here is what I have learned in the past with naturally asperated engines...

5.0 stock with exhaust---> 9.70's in the 1/8
5.0 stock, exhaust, 150 shot--> 7.70's in the 1/8

5.0 stock, exhaust, 175 shot = BOOM!

From NOS, for every 50 you need to retard the timing 2 degree's. good headgaskets are a must for any shot over 150, good gas is a must for anything over 75.

that was an expensive lesson on my mustang... It was also a plate kit that leaned the corner cylinders out. Since then I have gone to a fogger, forged pistons, good gaskets and head stud... No worries.

BTW I ran 150 on the stock 3 bottles worth on the weekends for at least 6 months until I got greedy for another tenth.

I will say though thats with boost not nitrous. two totally different games. Boost power doesn't come all at once like spray. Spray breaks more things.
this is true but this is why there is a progressive nitrous controller.

Well if you blow up your engine tunning a "safe" 75 wet shot that GM said was safe. And then you go and blow up your engine... you do know that chevy is going to give u the finger and then charge you up thepooper to get it replaced. Let alone your insurance wont cover it etc.

No...he will probably replace it with a used ford festiva engine. :lol:
No, but really, a 75 is ok. Come on...if GM says it is ok, then you know that it is safe enogh. Nitrous is only bad if you put too big of a shot on that your internals can handle. What would be the differnce between a car that has other mods that equal 300 on stock internals and n2o on a motor with stock internals....keeping in mind that both are not running too lean or rich.

Some one once told me, that ok sure you can handle 2 steal reserves at a steady pace, but to shot gun 2 in a row can you do that then walk around? if so how long? NItrous is just force feeding the power like take that sh!t, but you all know way more about it then i do.

Thats why it would be good to have a RPM window switch.

I don't know if a window switch is necessarily needed on an auto...

as long as you have a WOT switch you should be good

you'll never spray in too low of an RPM cuz the auto will just shift you into the previous gear...hmm, hitting redline though is a question. when at WOT does your auto guys cars shift at redline?