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I was afraid of this. Anyone think 13’s would be within reach with some good mods that help translate more of that power to the road? (ie: smaller tires and so on)

Hell yea!

Wow, I kinda figured it'd be faster than that..

nice. went from a mid 14 to a low 14. should easly be able to break into the 13's no problem.

We should probably be able to dip into the 13's...

I certainly think so . My supercharged car went 14.3 dead stock and 14.0 with a air filter . I would be pretty baffed if the LNF car couldnt better that .

No clue how intrusive the no lift shift thing is gonna be . For someone like me who powershifts , it may be somewhat of annoyance (?) I just gotta assume the launch control and the no lift are gonna be real conservative . From reading the info , it sounds like both are tied with Stabilitrak , which in this car can be 100% turned off .

I just gotta assume the launch control and the no lift are gonna be real conservative . From reading the info , it sounds like both are tied with Stabilitrak , which in this car can be 100% turned off .

good info

dats good for stock times..with an intake u be in the high 13s

considering we can hit low 14s stock in the s/c version.. im sure we can hit high 13s in the tc version

If all of the babysitters can be removed with a tuner I assume the SS/TC would be alot quicker.


Look at the GXP and Redline they have the launch abilities of RWD and the best out of those so far is what 13.89?

WTF is "no-lift shift"?? does that mean you dont have to lift off the gas while shifting? sorry for the noob question...

nevermind..just found it

Here's a question, is it going to be a return fuel line or is it the same? I didnt see anything on there about it.

WTF is "no-lift shift"?? does that mean you dont have to lift off the gas while shifting? sorry for the noob question...

nevermind..just found it

Yes thats exactly what it is, I am thinking that the computer will try and match rpms thought. This will help the syncros out

I really thought that it was going to be at least high 13's stock, I'm a little disappointed.

look at how fast the ms3 went and it weighs more and apparently has horrible boost limitations in 1st 2nd and 3rd gear

^^We have overcome the boost limitations with a simple plug in..

look at how fast the ms3 went and it weighs more and apparently has horrible boost limitations in 1st 2nd and 3rd gear

thats right we'll be fine. Loosh on here went 13.6 in his ms3 with a boost controller and no cat and he has the same turbo the cobalt will come with plus his boost still drops from 18 to 15 at redline PLUS there car is heavier then the cobalt. ANy way if you read the cobalt is going to come with a launch control on it.....

I really thought that it was going to be at least high 13's stock, I'm a little disappointed.

its all what the magazines say.


we WILL be able to hit 13s stock.


although there wil still be a handful of us who cannot get into the 13s with a stage 2 + mods ;)

13.7's should not be a problem IMO

with you driving it should be easy lol

Wow, I kinda figured it'd be faster than that..

I really thought that it was going to be at least high 13's stock, I'm a little disappointed.

x2, I was hoping to see 13.8ish stock. But I do think that 13's will be easily obtained, much easier compared to the ss/sc.

really hope they put a better clutch in this one...plus they changed the final drive ratio too...

the clutch is fine people just need to learn how to drive

...ok...

really hope they put a better clutch in this one...plus they changed the final drive ratio too...

our clutch is fine bro. Paul is making 226 whp in his turbo cobalt on his stock clutch im on mine and it fries out if you serverly over heat it but comes back in like 4-5 days. It took me 8 back to back dig races for mine to start slipping....but again it came back in 4 days

Here's a question, is it going to be a return fuel line or is it the same? I didnt see anything on there about it.

Injectors are directly in place in the engine, no fuel rail. Just a single fuel line, a high pressure pump in line, and a pump in tank.

Not sure if this qualifies as return style, but if it so, the LNF will have return style fuel system.

It still makes no sense though.

How is the SS/TC going to be more potent than a GXP?

With Stage 2 alone on my SS/SC I had 247whp. I had it out with two GXP's and it wasn't pretty two seconds after the race began.


If either the GXP or SS/TC actually had 260HP with no ECM restrictions I think they would fly. But in stock form I assume the SS/TC will be similar to the GXP.


Now I think GM is just selling cars using HP numbers alone then filling the ECM with a shitload of torque reduction and torque management.

just being honest i fried my clutch becuase i drove like a douche

It still makes no sense though.

How is the SS/TC going to be more potent than a GXP?

With Stage 2 alone on my SS/SC I had 247whp. I had it out with two GXP's and it wasn't pretty two seconds after the race began.


If either the GXP or SS/TC actually had 260HP with no ECM restrictions I think they would fly. But in stock form I assume the SS/TC will be similar to the GXP.


Now I think GM is just selling cars using HP numbers alone then filling the ECM with a shitload of torque reduction and torque management.

Hey i kinda agree with you but paul worked on a sky redline and it was only making 16 psi might be cause it was still kinda new but that would do it

eh, probably right.

so is everonee first mod going to be a BOv hahahahahaah lol

if i see vids of people just sitting there and taping the bov i will be very annoyed

The LNF should run S2 LSJ times bone stock

14.1 is a conservative number, they will be able to hit high 13s with a good driver without a problem...

if i see vids of people just sitting there and taping the bov i will be very annoyed

mentally prepare yourself bro

so is everonee first mod going to be a BOv hahahahahaah lol

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It still makes no sense though.

How is the SS/TC going to be more potent than a GXP?
It's not. I'd rather have the Sky RL or GXP since it's RWD. Unless GM has really done something to address the wheel hop and torque steer the TC SS is going to have, which I seriously doubt.

hahahhaha DARKSUN thats funnny. but u know there deff gonna be doing it to compete with the sti's and evos of the worlld

ummm 5.7 0-60 wasn't the ss/sc about 6.5 0-60?

the car is probably a mid to high 13s car stock however they just either didn't drive the shit outta it... or it's because it's new... OR it can only go 85% throttle and is hindered like the SKY RL and GXP.. if it's the last one... get a tune to undo all that shit... and you'll have a low to mid 13 second car

It's not. I'd rather have the Sky RL or GXP since it's RWD. Unless GM has really done something to address the wheel hop and torque steer the TC SS is going to have, which I seriously doubt.

Its FWD Bro it is what is is. you want a half way decent drive comfort your cars getting wheel hop in trade......

Sounds like it should be equal to a stage 2 lsj. I wonder if it is going to have a LSD standard. See I like how it says, oh "55 more horses". Well is the LNF rated correctly then for crank hp? If so it really isn't much more. What is a stock LSJ put down, 215, 210 to be conservative. So that is what, 230-240 whp. Same for the LNF, 260 crank hp, 230-240 whp. I am anxious to see it though, sounds pretty nice.

Quick!!! To the dyno!!!

Sounds like it should be equal to a stage 2 lsj. I wonder if it is going to have a LSD standard. See I like how it says, oh "55 more horses". Well is the LNF rated correctly then for crank hp? If so it really isn't much more. What is a stock LSJ put down, 215, 210 to be conservative. So that is what, 230-240 whp. Same for the LNF, 260 crank hp, 230-240 whp. I am anxious to see it though, sounds pretty nice.

The LNF and SS put down equal horsepower numbers bone stock but the LNF has like 40-50 more pounds of torque.

with you driving it should be easy lol

ahhhh shucks... :guns:

I think the SS/TC should be good for high 13's in stock form with a good driver, I dont think it will be hard at all.

Injectors are directly in place in the engine, no fuel rail. Just a single fuel line, a high pressure pump in line, and a pump in tank.

Not sure if this qualifies as return style, but if it so, the LNF will have return style fuel system.
Not quite correct
The supply system to the high pressure pump is returnless and very similar to the current fuel system

There IS a common fuel rail that the injectors all connect to that operates at 50-150 bar (750-2175psi) as supplied from the cam driven high pressure pump.

The injectors are drven by a capacitive discharge mechanism within the ECM that operates the injectors at approx 65 Volts

Wop

Bad ass. The only things i see that are really going to suck is the fuel system and the electronic throttle.

Well the good news is HP Tuners already works with it and a number of us have been working on various LNF tune capabilities for a while now... :D
Wop

Quick!!! To the dyno!!!

ya 6 months later................:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well the good news is HP Tuners already works with it and a number of us have been working on various LNF tune capabilities for a while now... :D
Wop

Bless your soul WOP. May your kids be born with good teeth and hair...

Called it... if the smaller rwd solstice with the same motor runs 13.9 what you expect with our awesome traction capabilities...

Called it... if the smaller rwd solstice with the same motor runs 13.9 what you expect with our awesome traction capabilities...

Low 12's?

Not quite correct
The supply system to the high pressure pump is returnless and very similar to the current fuel system

There IS a common fuel rail that the injectors all connect to that operates at 50-150 bar (750-2175psi) as supplied from the cam driven high pressure pump.

The injectors are drven by a capacitive discharge mechanism within the ECM that operates the injectors at approx 65 Volts

Wop

Ahh. I see!

It's not. I'd rather have the Sky RL or GXP since it's RWD. Unless GM has really done something to address the wheel hop and torque steer the TC SS is going to have, which I seriously doubt.wait to 2010 then the g5 will have their RWD setup,calling it the G4

direct injection is awesome, but its been a problem for the people running higher hp numbers with my car. i have a mazdaspeed 6, and some people are having issues leaning out above 330whp. with this car its not as simple as dropping in a walbro. i really like the car though. im not a huge fan of the spoiler, i like the rksport 3peice lip. if i needed to buy a car for 22-24g as my next car i may very well look into this. i would need to see the interior. what i would really like is the saturn astra with this engine in it, as the saturns seem to have nicer interior at this point. only reason i have my ms6 is because i got it for 22g. i cant afford a 30g car.

i wanna see this things on the road. and with traction this car should be great. im really liking the small review. i want to see this thing in mags.

Called it... if the smaller rwd solstice with the same motor runs 13.9 what you expect with our awesome traction capabilities...

very true. i noticed this a while back too

if a RWD lighter roadster only doing a best of 13.9, how can a wheel hopping fwd heavier cobalt do the same?

*shrug* just doesnt make alot of sense.

from what ive seen, the GXP/Redline guys are not pulling much better 60's than a well driven ss/sc or stage 2 ss/sc's, factor in the cobalt's lighter weight, and less drivetrain loss and i could see it outrunning either of those two.

I bet it runs low 14's consistently with the some phenominal driver hitting a high 13, much like the original srt-4 that debut in 2003. other than that, it'll be almost the same as the ss/sc. It may be better with mods though as a simple exhaust upgrade should let it gain like 40hp. we'll just have to wait and see.

I'd be up for a trade for a 4 door if I could get a good deal. I need a 4 door for when me and the kids go for a ride. but if not, I'll keep my ss/sc.

I bet it runs low 14's consistently with the some phenominal driver hitting a high 13, much like the original srt-4 that debut in 2003. other than that, it'll be almost the same as the ss/sc. It may be better with mods though as a simple exhaust upgrade should let it gain like 40hp. we'll just have to wait and see.

I'd be up for a trade for a 4 door if I could get a good deal. I need a 4 door for when me and the kids go for a ride. but if not, I'll keep my ss/sc.

how could it be the same as teh ss/sc when they are already claiming .3 faster in the0-60

from what ive seen, the GXP/Redline guys are not pulling much better 60's than a well driven ss/sc or stage 2 ss/sc's, factor in the cobalt's lighter weight, and less drivetrain loss and i could see it outrunning either of those two.

omg , someone that actually agree's with me :lol:

My honest prediction , is a good driver ......who can effectively launch this car will go high 13's dead stock on radial tires .

ummm 5.7 0-60 wasn't the ss/sc about 6.5 0-60?

the car is probably a mid to high 13s car stock however they just either didn't drive the shit outta it... or it's because it's new... OR it can only go 85% throttle and is hindered like the SKY RL and GXP.. if it's the last one... get a tune to undo all that shit... and you'll have a low to mid 13 second car


Come on now 260BHP in a SS/TC is not a low 13 second car.

Saying the thing will run high 13's stock is giving it credit. Without the TM/TR I could see consistant high 13's with a very good driver.

I will most likely be picking up a SS/TC to replace the GF's daily driver (that and I wanna play) so I will find out first hand I guess.

uh 5.7 was the ss/sc stock 0-60...

uh my bad 5.9

i would put down 1000 bucks, i can pull a 13.8 or better, in only 4 or less runs (stock 2008 cobalt ss turbo)

uh 5.7 was the ss/sc stock 0-60...

uh my bad 5.9

I've looked over several sites since the release of the SS/TC information, and the best time I've been able to find was 6.3 0-60 for the SS/SC.

I can do 14.1 in my Solstice GXP and I suck at 1/4 mile runs. We've got a guy on our forum that's hit 13.75 in a stock GXP. On average we see 13.9~14 runs. The Cobalt SS/TC might be slightly lighter (GXP is 3090 lbs) but I think the FWD/RWD will be the factor that makes it slower then a GXP.

Hey i kinda agree with you but paul worked on a sky redline and it was only making 16 psi might be cause it was still kinda new but that would do it

Read this and you'll understand why;

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82351

Sounds like it should be equal to a stage 2 lsj. I wonder if it is going to have a LSD standard. See I like how it says, oh "55 more horses". Well is the LNF rated correctly then for crank hp? If so it really isn't much more. What is a stock LSJ put down, 215, 210 to be conservative. So that is what, 230-240 whp. Same for the LNF, 260 crank hp, 230-240 whp. I am anxious to see it though, sounds pretty nice.

RWD Solstice GXP's dyno 215~230 HP at the rear wheels, we've seen on average a 14% drive train loss for the RWD LNF cars. You can expect slightly less loss on a FWD application. The main benefit of the LNF though is the massive amount of torque it makes though. 250 ft-lbs at 1500 RPM. Even with a Stage 2 kit a SS/SC can't pull that off.

I can do 14.1 in my Solstice GXP and I suck at 1/4 mile runs. We've got a guy on our forum that's hit 13.75 in a stock GXP. On average we see 13.9~14 runs. The Cobalt SS/TC might be slightly lighter (GXP is 3090 lbs) but I think the FWD/RWD will be the factor that makes it slower then a GXP.



Read this and you'll understand why;

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82351



RWD Solstice GXP's dyno 215~230 HP at the rear wheels, we've seen on average a 14% drive train loss for the RWD LNF cars. You can expect slightly less loss on a FWD application. The main benefit of the LNF though is the massive amount of torque it makes though. 250 ft-lbs at 1500 RPM. Even with a Stage 2 kit a SS/SC can't pull that off.

what kind of 60 foots are your fastest guy getting though. what was teh 1000 foot time on that 13.75 pass? if you guys are getting 215~230 at the wheels, a FWD should be putting down 230-250 at the wheels, thats plenty of power to hit 13.7's with. not to mention the cobalt is only around 2900 lbs.

RWD Solstice GXP's dyno 215~230 HP at the rear wheels, we've seen on average a 14% drive train loss for the RWD LNF cars. You can expect slightly less loss on a FWD application. The main benefit of the LNF though is the massive amount of torque it makes though. 250 ft-lbs at 1500 RPM. Even with a Stage 2 kit a SS/SC can't pull that off.

That massive amount of low end torque is the reason why GXP owners are cutting such shitty times.

This is all i have to say. You NEED an LSD if you intend to cut good times with the LNF Cobalt SS. 1 Wheel peel's aren't going to cut it unless you want 2.4 60ft's

I was afraid of this. Anyone think 13’s would be within reach with some good mods that help translate more of that power to the road? (ie: smaller tires and so on)

I ran a 14.2 @ 100mph stock so I don't see why the stock SS/TC won't do high 13s.

i would put down 1000 bucks, i can pull a 13.8 or better, in only 4 or less runs (stock 2008 cobalt ss turbo)

I agree with you, I think I would to. I think I would do better then you HAHA j/k kinda...How you doing by the way John? Have not seen you since I picked up my stage II :twothumbs

I really want one but tuning is going to be a pain in the ass. Tuning my balt is a piece of cake compared to tuning a 2.0 lnf gxp/redline (i havent tuned one...yet) but just looking at the tune, there are a lot of parameters to play around with

On this whole thing about the SS/SC's 0-60, again, I thought that it was underrated and people did better 0-60's than magazine rated. And the SS/TC should run 13's stock. If a magazine rates it at 14.X, you better believe other drivers will get a minimum of .4 second better. EVeryone said the cobalt was putting down 14.4's, we all know that isn't true., stock times have beat that already.

old thread revival I know. so what are the times out there for the LNF SS?

I am searching and I came to this thread. post a link for me will yea. I am trying.

A few guys have posted some 13.9x times already.

A few guys have posted some 13.9x times already.

:D

I've seen someone on here with a 13.8 in their sig but for some reason they're not on the Official 1/4 Mile list. Dunno what's up with that.

You guys just aren't getting it....

The 03-05 srt4 did not limit boost (too much) in the first 2 gears. This means that if ou changed tires, or perfected your launching, you could pull off a mid-high 13 second pass.

MS3, Balt SS/TC, and mst other AWD/FWD/RWD cars have a thing called ESP (or something similar)....

ESP (or variant) would be great if your high performance engine/transmission wasn't built for heavy duty work (yes srt tans is a truck trans & the motor came from a much larger car).


Look... ur car performs well; leave it at that. It's obvious GM is on this site riding all of your asses for info on modding/warranty.

(My attempt at jealously to help you out....)
I bet GM won't even release that stage upgrade with the energy, as well as, financial crisis.

old thread revival I know. so what are the times out there for the LNF SS?

I am searching and I came to this thread. post a link for me will yea. I am trying.

Bill Hahn got a 12.95 with his TC. :guns:

Bill Hahn got a 12.95 with his TC. :guns:

Check the trap (that shows the REAL problem)...

Not samaller tires, wider tires and stickier tires, as the stock Continental Conti contacts are made for cornering and braking, not acceleration. Easily get into the upper 13's totally stock with some sticky rubber, there's plenty to choose from.

Check the trap (that shows the REAL problem)...

I believe Hahns mission is ET, not trap. Lower your ET, you lower your trap. There is no problem with his trap speed. Be nice.

I was the 1 with the 13.8 in my sig im not on the "official" thread, because i didnt care about keeping the slip didnt think it would be any thing. been 2 the track 100's of times just reach in my pocket and throw my slips out, usualy keep everyones untill we stop and eat and look at them al then in the trash they go. I know what i run and am capable of runing so i dont have a problem with some1 calling b/s o me. enuff ppl on here know me enough to agree that i wouldnt lie abut dumb shit like that....hell my cousins camaro ran 9.26 las weekend most ppl would cherish that slip, now its somewhere in hooters dumpster lol