I may be wrong about this stuff, but I read the "2008 Cobalt SS Turbocharged Page" located at the top.

No 6 speed???? 5300 RL???? Going from the picture, ugly rims, lip kit is gone, and absoluetly no differences.

I do like the fact that it has better suspension and brakes, and the "no lift shift" and it has stabili track and all that who ha, but that just comes as a bigger price.

I don't think I will be getting this...I am a little dissappointed and think they could have done better. Just my thoughts

agreed. its alot of negative equity for a few more ft/lbs of torque and better brakes

agreed. its alot of negative equity for a few more ft/lbs of torque and better brakes

My thoughts, I will wait to see if Chevy decides to throw in some option packages. I was really hoping to see an SS hood and a slightly different look, and better looking wheels. We will just have to wait and see. I didn't really like the lack of options for the cobalt anyway, but I hope they have more options, then I MIGHT consider it.

Yeah, I agree that the rims SUCK ASS from what I have seen. I hope these are just an example because they look like shitty Cavi rims.

I hope and pray that there is an option for the same 18" 5-spokes you could get with the SS/SC because I think they're way nicer.

I don't know why some want a 6 speed so much. I am no engineer but I know many factors go into designing a tranny for a car. I am sure there is a reason.

I do like the Brembo's as well though. I guess you have to drive one and see if you fall in love with the car.

still waiting for the srt demon ;)

whats da price tag on one?

Yeah, I agree that the rims SUCK ASS from what I have seen. I hope these are just an example because they look like shitty Cavi rims.

I hope and pray that there is an option for the same 18" 5-spokes you could get with the SS/SC because I think they're way nicer.

I don't know why some want a 6 speed so much. I am no engineer but I know many factors go into designing a tranny for a car. I am sure there is a reason.

I do like the Brembo's as well though. I guess you have to drive one and see if you fall in love with the car.

Its just that our top speed is limited by the gears. I know I will never go to 130mph or whatever, but its just the fact that the tranny cant keep up with the engine.

I honestly don't think its worth it. i mean .4 seconds faster in the 1/4? with all that negative equity? there is practically NO difference in the SS S/C and the SS T/C. I won't be gettin the t/c. I will probably get my buddy to hook me up with some interior stuff, and then wait for word about the TVS.

still waiting for the srt demon ;)

What?

whats da price tag on one?

Well the MSRP for a SS S/C was what like 21K? Add the stability control and all that stuff, and the "no lift shift" and the fact that its got more hp and tq...I would expect a 24-25K MSRP. meaning after its all said and done, you'll be paying around 27k...not for me.

This car is going to be very nice to upgrade. I'm keeping my SS/SC because I like what I have and its exactly what I wanted. I have way to much time invested to trade it in or even sell it. My cobalt is like a member of my family. I take good care of her and I will find a way to gain respect with a SS/SC version.

On another note, I wonder if we can use the Brembo Brakes, and return fuel rail system on our cars. That is a very good improvement on the SS/TC.

i never planned on getting one just due to the fact i dont want a car payment...but those have to be some of the ugliest wheels i have seen

what is no lift shift though?

But there is another threa dof guys who have test drove it. That car looks real good

^ Yea I guess I was wrong. I posted about maybe the SS/SC can use the return fuel system but I just seen it has a returnless. That is something they did not improve on. =(
As for the brakes, would be real nice if the SS/SC could use what the SS/TC comes stock. Those Brembo's I can't wait to see.

Comming from an LS guy, i will be getting one. Even more attractive is that it will come in a 4 door which is what i want, ive always had 2 door cars and im done with them. 4 door turbo is calling my name!

As far as the rims go if they suck ill just find some s/c rims to swap on...;)

I think those pictures of just of the SEMA Cobalt SS. Those are GM Accesories wheels aren't they?

They'll probably end up using those nice ten spokes, and I'm sure the lip will be back.

If not, they are idiots.

I may be wrong about this stuff, but I read the "2008 Cobalt SS Turbocharged Page" located at the top.

No 6 speed???? 5300 RL???? Going from the picture, ugly rims, lip kit is gone, and absoluetly no differences.

I do like the fact that it has better suspension and brakes, and the "no lift shift" and it has stabili track and all that who ha, but that just comes as a bigger price.

I don't think I will be getting this...I am a little dissappointed and think they could have done better. Just my thoughts

??????????????????????

Maximum engine speed (rpm): 6300 rpm

You couldnt bitch about this in the 2 other threads about this stuff?

Whats with the anti 5 speed talk? These engines dont really need a 6 speed. They have an really large power band. A car like the Civic Si Needs a 6 speed becuase it needs to stay in the top end. The LNF doesn't, look at the dyno. Yeah a 6 speed would be cool and it could only improve the car, but the cost it would add to engineer it in and license one would drive the price of this car up unnecessarily.

OH, YAY another damn LNF thread!

STOP MAKING SO MANY GOD DAMN LNF THREADS

jesus christ theres like 7 of these just on the recently bumped, POST IN THE OTHER ONES

I have just one thing to chime in on here... but if you claim to have read the whole article then you would have noticed that they say the front grill will have a plastic mesh grill (similar to the HHR SS presumably).

Looking at the pictures provided, it does not have this grill. Also, the lip kit NOT gone.. you just have bad eyes... finally, those rims are the customer order 18" rims you can get right now from GMPP, they are not the rims that will ship with the SS/TC....

nuff said.

maybe if everyone would keep the ss/tc disses and new news into like 1 or 2 threads, there would be less of a pissed off crowd. literally theres like 20 fuckin threads in the last day on the same fuckin thing

MODERATORS ARE DELETING LNF THREADS, GET THE PICTURE

From the way I read it, and correct me if I'm wrong but with the "no lift shift feature" does that mean a taller first gear? Here is the quote "With its balanced tuning, the Cobalt SS delivers a quick 0-60 time of approximately 5.7 seconds – thanks to the manual transmission’s “no-lift shift” feature –" I would hope it does, cause first sucks right now:thumbsdow

No-Lift-Shift means you don't have to lift your foot off the gas pedal when shifting. There's probably some sensor on the clutch pedal that tells the ECM when the clutch is depressed, then holds the RPM's, or drops them accordingly.

Comming from an LS guy, i will be getting one. Even more attractive is that it will come in a 4 door which is what i want, ive always had 2 door cars and im done with them. 4 door turbo is calling my name!

As far as the rims go if they suck ill just find some s/c rims to swap on...;)

im with u on that one 4 door turbo is soundin real good to me

I want a set of them bremos!!! Im gonna try to get my hands on those!

What I Hate Is That It Look Just Like Regular Ss Please Gm Change The Car A Little Bit!!!!

There is no doubt that the Turbo SS will be a sweet ride, but for me - I will NOT be trading my SC in for one.

And here are the reasons why:

After I get the GM warrantied St. 2, the difference in acceleration between the Turbo and the SC will be virtually NIL (a hi 13 sec/low 14 sec. warrantied car is all I'm looking for)
As it stands now, there's not NEARLY enough differences in styling/design between the cars
I received a $2,500 rebate on my SC, which makes my car VERY worthwhile to keep
With all the turbocharged cars around today, there are very FEW supercharged cars to be found. And I LIKE saying Supercharged .... :)


And there you go.

Now this does not mean that I'm not happy about Chevy's Turbo 'Balt, just that it's not worth getting one if a person already owns an SS/SC.

There is no doubt that the Turbo SS will be a sweet ride, but for me - I will NOT be trading my SC in for one.

And here are the reasons why:

After I get the GM warrantied St. 2, the difference in acceleration between the Turbo and the SC will be virtually NIL (a hi 13 sec/low 14 sec. warrantied car is all I'm looking for)
As it stands now, there's not NEARLY enough differences in styling/design between the cars
I received a $2,500 rebate on my SC, which makes my car VERY worthwhile to keep
With all the turbocharged cars around today, there are very FEW supercharged cars to be found. And I LIKE saying Supercharged .... :)


And there you go.

Now this does not mean that I'm not happy about Chevy's Turbo 'Balt, just that it's not worth getting one if a person already owns an SS/SC.

exactly anyone with a stage 2 car or better is as fast if not faster then a turbo balt... gm dropped the ball again...

exactly anyone with a stage 2 car or better is as fast if not faster then a turbo balt... gm dropped the ball again...

I would love to see anyone with only GSM2 run 8:22 on the Nurburgring, but the fact is.. it's just not going to happen.

Granted, a good driver can hit 14.1 in the quarter with just GMS2.

:lol:

You guys are complaining about a 6300rpm redline and more torque? Since when is torque a bad thing?

What I Hate Is That It Look Just Like Regular Ss Please Gm Change The Car A Little Bit!!!!

i still would buy one even if they dont becuse i have an ls and that still an improvement

A couple of observations from a kappa guy:

1) The torque curve on this motor is unreal. Flat as a pancake - 260 ft/lbs from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm. It absolutely does NOT need the added weight and complexity of a 6-speed.

2) The turbo is not sized for max horsepower. It's sized for midrange torque - that's why it has absolutely zero turbo lag.

3) There are a couple of advantages to the turbo vs. the supercharger. A new PCM tune, an intercooler, and a bigger turbo, and this car will make nearly 400 hp. That's it - turbo, intercooler and a chip. And that's based simply on using a bigger turbo but maintaining the stock torque peak out to 7000 rpm. The stock turbo just isn't big enough to do that.

4) Direct injection. 15% better fuel economy and 10% better torque at the same time. The engine can idle at an air/fuel ratio of 44:1 and can also run lean at cruise.

Downsides: The PCM is a Bosch, not a Delphi. Tuners are having a harder time than normal getting it cracked, but it is coming along. We are hoping adding you guys to the LNF lists will speed that process up.

The small turbo: Again, the turbo is sized for midrange punch, not max dyno numbers. The naturally aspirated 2.4 kappas are putting a supercharger on their cars and at 8 lbs of boost are running times similar to a stock LNF. This is due primarily to the inefficiency of the Borg-Warner K04 turbo at high flow rates. At 6000 rpm the stock turbo is dropping into the 40% efficiency range. Once the computer is completely cracked, swapping the stock turbo out for a Garrett GT31 or similar should put the car into the mid-12's.

the rims in the pic are optional for the ss/sc from GM!!! I think that picture is a premature one and we will see better pics as this develops. No one here at my dealership knows about the vehicle being released. I can't wait to hear more info about this!!

The only thing I'll bitch about is that NOW they offer it in White:lol:

not so happy either,some people like superchargers some like turbos,most of the turbo lovers are import lovers too, and the sc lovers are into domestics, i prefer sc any time any day, i want the boost to be at my orders right after pressing the gas, instead of waiting to reach so many rpms to start building it,plus having a "supercharged car" always sounded better.

anyway ill b happy if instead of the 2008 turbo cobalt, gm would call it "THE 2008 "TWINSCREW" SUPERCHARGED COBALT:guns: :guns: :guns:

I would love to see anyone with only GSM2 run 8:22 on the Nurburgring, but the fact is.. it's just not going to happen.

Granted, a good driver can hit 14.1 in the quarter with just GMS2.

Don't forget...the suspension and brakes on the 08 ss/tc are better (0.9 g lateral drag). This helps in dropping those Nurburgring times precipitously.

as much as everyone hates those rims i belive that someone was just trying to recreate something similar to a z06 wheel, i feel it gives the wheel a much more three dimensional look whereas the 18" five spoke is starting to look maybe too flat?

and hey lets atleast give it to gm for "trying" to change things up just a bit i mean they made pretty much the same lame ass 16 second economy cavalier for like what abt 15 years?!?!


and i suree do hope that they change that pos tranny that they put in the other ss/sc's becaue in my eyes its junkk lol. and yeah has anyone heard anything on those updates to "stop" wheel hop in our ss's?????

I personally don't know where all the hating is coming from, since I love the look of the new rims.

And, the only info I've been able to find on the "anti-wheel hop" work they've done is a tuned suspension and systems in the PCM which help manage torque.

The Bosch PCM for the LNF has already been cracked by Hahn/BSR:twothumbs

They could've done a little bit better on the rims, IMO. But then again, they still beat these:

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/6/11/4/f_16chromedm_76ec3f8.jpg

I will stick with my SS\SC.
Love the instant boooooooost.
And I think the SS\SC is in a world of its own, everyone has turbo cars these days

Ps. BOOOOO on the Cavi wheels "Fugly"

Ok... After more stuff has come out about the car, and the new pictures, I take back SOME of that stuff. I do like the rims that were on that Yellow balt. I love those style rims. I don't like the interior though. I think that is hideous. I don't know if those seats are an option or what, but normally they put the "high dollar" version of the cars at shows. Not a fan of those seats. Isn't our balt 0-60 time just as quick? I am not sure about 0-60 but I know that 1/4 times are the same... bottom line, I do think GM dropped the ball... I am a fan of the Balt, obviously, but I don't think this LNF is worth the negative equity I would get...

based on what i have heared im guessing its gonna be as fast as a GM stg 1 cobalt. which is definitaly good for 14.1-14.0 at the track. yes it will be better in and out oof the cornerns due to the suspension upgrades and the brembo's. but thats nothing we cant swap over. obviously we wont know untill its out. what did the ss/sc run at nurburgring.

now i have a question also
you always hear about efficency and how much better turbos are, but the SC in makeing 215-220whp at 12psi with from what i understand a less technologically advanced engine. now the LNF is turboed and runs at 20psi stock (i think correct me if im wrong) and it only puts out 260 hp at the crank so wouldnt that mean the SC is more efficient at makeing power. thats how it seems to me but im new to FI and cars in general.

It will take a lot less to make more horsepower for the LNF, the pcm is cracked already and a new turbo and whallah. . Im dropping mine when this one comes out about a year from now. The interior is iffy. It may change though when it comes out. Some shit always changes from the the pre-production models. We can just wait though, time will tell.

The turbo doesn't run 20lbs unless it has to. The pcm has a torque managment system. It gives it as much boost as needed to make 260lb tq. Most the solstice guys stock hover around 15-17psi and the torque management is also why you need a re-flash every time you do a mod to it, because the pcm will run even less boost because your new mods have made the engine have to work less to make 260tq. Also your over looking the fact that the turbo is the size of a damn stock dsm turbo....if not smaller. That being said the supercharger is just larger, not more efficient the amount of heat that our supercharger makes is a lot higher then what any intercooled turbo makes. If you put a larger turbo that that equaled the cfm that the supercharger moved at 12psi u would probably make about 50 more hp with the turbo vs our supercharger on a stock lsj. You can run more timing because of the fact that the turbo produces far less heat, and there is no belt being driven off the engine so that frees up even more power. Seriously all the information about this engine is on the solstice forums. If you wanna learn more about the engine just go spend 10 min reading up on it over on the solstice forum...its all there you just have to read. Instead of make so many damn threads about the same things.

so the rims sucks get it over it, its turboed and i will make a lot of power. The rims u can change them...

atownSS thanks for answering my question. im gonna go read a bit on the solstice forums.