I'm working on some FAQ to help with the many emails I get about the new cobalt. Please help with any FAQ that you think might be useful to someone that was never interested in a Cobalt and know nothing about them. :cssNET:


What is the new 2008 Cobalt SS?
The SS is a new addition to the Cobalt passenger car model lineup. It combines comfort and economy with uncompromising performance, including a turbocharged and intercooled Ecotec 2.0L engine, unique interior, and unique exterior styling.

Was the Cobalt SS Discontinued for 2008?
The 2.0L Cobalt SS Supercharged coupe that was available 2005-2007 was discontinued for 2008. The 2.4L Cobalt SS coupe/sedan that was available 2006-2007 was discontinued for 2008. 2008 will get a late addition of the new 2.0L Cobalt SS Turbocharged. So in short, 2008 will have a Cobalt SS.

What is the official name of the 2008 Cobalt SS?
According the GM vin code card, the 2008 Cobalt SS does not have the “Turbocharged” in the official name as the 2005-2007 Cobalt SS Supercharged did. It is simply called Cobalt SS because there will be no additional SS’s so there is no need to distinguish this.

What is the 2008 Cobalt SS 0-60, quarter-mile, and top speed?
0-60 mph is approximately 5.7 seconds.
Quarter-mile is approximately 14.1 seconds.
Top speed is more than 160 mph.

Will the 2008 Cobalt SS be offered as a sedan?
Yes. A sedan is planned after the coupe rollout

What colors does the 2008 Cobalt SS come in?
Victory Red, Black, Ultra Silver Metallic, Imperial Blue, Rally Yellow, Sport Red Tintcoat and White.

Does the 2008 Cobalt SS come with an automatic transition?
No

What is the “no lift shift” feature?
“No lift shift” allows the driver to shift the manual transmission without taking your foot of the accelerator. This feature maximizes acceleration and gear changes for better track times.

Is there preliminary pricing for the 2008 Cobalt SS?
Pricing is not available at this time, but we are speculating a starting price around $25,000.

When can I buy it?
Second quarter of 2008

Where can I get more information:
http://www.cobaltss.net/cobalt_ss_turbocharged. No official page updated on chevy.com as of yet.

My Cobalt SS makes a variable ticking sound, is this normal?
Yes the clicking is normal from the engine. The LNF uses a cam driven fuel pump with a high pressure solenoid to provide the 2000+ psi of fuel pressure the direct injection system requires under load. The clicking is the solenoid opening and closing and is a common feature of all DI engines (Mazda 2.3L, BMW 3.0L, Cady 3.6L).

My Cobalt SS is only reaching 14~17 psi, is this normal?
The LNF's Turbo builds boost to demand levels, so depending on your region you may never see the full 20 psi. Seeing 14~17 psi on average is normal and within functioning values. You're still making 260 HP without having to hit the max 20 psi.

What turbocharger is in the Cobalt SS?
The Cobalt SS (along with all other LNF based cars) use the Borg-Warner K04 turbocharger. The trim level is unknown at this time. This particular model (however not the same trim levels) is used in some Audi/VW cars (TT/Passat) and is a popular upgrade for Audi/VW cars that use the smaller K03.

What ECU does the Cobalt SS use?
The LNF engines use the new Bosch MED9.6 ECM.

Does the Cobalt SS have a Wideband sensor?
Yes, the LNF engine uses a Wideband sensor as part of the control loop in keeping the engine in check. The sensors readouts can be monitored by various ODBII scanners.

My car is making a lot of soot, is this normal?
Yes, like the ticking the soot is an unfortunate side effect of running a SIDI engine. Using a metal polish or long lasting auto wax on the tail pipe will help make cleaning easier.

What is are the SAE Horsepower & Torque Ratings for the LNF L850?
262HP at 5300 RPM & 261TQ at 2000 RPM
http://a204.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/33/l_7161fb27c88c9cd174b78dab1c5e00e3.jpg

Will there be GM Certified Stage Kits available?
Although there are rumors, GM currently does not offer any stage kits for the LNF motor.
But keep in mind that the platform is still very new so with any hope the stage kits will follow soon.
*Interesting discovery for the Solstice Race Concept: http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82752

What are some of the major upgrades for the Turbocharged Cobalt over the Supercharged version?
The Turbocharged Cobalt will include Brembo 4-piston front & 1-piston rear vented disc brakes.
Factory Short Throw Shifter
Improved electronic power steering with a quick 14.8:1 ratio (20-percent quicker than other Cobalt models).
StabiliTrak electronic stability control system
3.82:1 final drive ratio.
No-lift WOT upshift
Direct Fuel Injection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection) with Variable Valve Timing (VVT) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VVT)


Is there going to be Tuning available?
The LNF has already spent a year in the Pontiac Solstice GXP & Saturn Sky Redline so some tuning has already begun. HPTuners has a beta release but it can't fully control the engine yet. The tuning is still very immature and not full featured at this time.
One of the major hurdels of tuning the LNF is the complexity involved in tuning the Direct Fuel Injection.

Are there any Pictures available?
You can find SEMA Pictures here (http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82562) and a few here (http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82181).

Is there any official GM documentation on this engine & transmission?
Yes, as of the start of SEMA 2007 GM updated the GM Powertrain 2008 documentation to include the Cobalt SS application for the LNF and the new Cobalt SS transmission.
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/08car.htm

What are the difference between the previous LSJ and the newer LNF besides being Turbocharged?
Short answer is VVT, SIDI, Turbocharged, GenII EcoTec block, and various other changes. For a detailed answer compare the GM Powertrain documentation of the two against each other.
LSJ - http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Ecotec/2007%20LSJ%20031006.xls
LNF - http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/Spec%20Sheet/Ecotec/08_LNF.xls

What is this "No-lift shift?"
No-lift shift: An algorithm in the engine's controller allows upshifts to be performed very quickly without lifting the throttle. What this means is that when shifting from 1st to 2nd you can keep your foot fully down on the accelerator and then shift to 2nd instead of lifting like one normally would. The computer then matches the throttle and gears correctly to engage the next gear while maintaining some level of boost. This helps prevent time lost from having to physically repress the gas pedal and saves time and power while maintaining boost. This is a new feature on the HHR SS and Cobalt SS and is not found on the Solstice GXP or Sky Redline.

Good info very nice thank you.

So a turboed sedan in the third quarter huh nice

will the 260 hp be at the wheels or is it at the flywheel? Either way it is a good bump from the SC but I hope you guys get the 260 at the wheels. Give you a jump on the market in a way. Put you inline with the MS3/MS6 and modified SRT-4's. What is max boost for the K04 turbo? Isn't it the same turbo that is used in the MS3?

Sorry for the stupid questions. Just figured some of these would be the same questions that others are thinking. I got my fingers crossed for you guys.

damn i must have missed the SAE output test, thats good news!

Its 260 at the crank. From what we've seen, the LNF is not underrated like the LSJ was.

Its 260 at the crank. From what we've seen, the LNF is not underrated like the LSJ was.

thats fine, you are still looking at close to stage 2 numbers from the factory, and the thing will love light modding

cool, I was hoping they would have thrown 260 to the wheels but it is still an increase over the SC and stock. Plus I think you guys will be able to get better power out of it easier and probably cheaper with the turbo. Atleast I hope so. Still with 260 to the fly wheel that would be about 225-230 to the wheels I think

What does NLF and LSJ stand for? I wonder if the old model can be tuned up to provide comperable steering, suspension and performance? Is everyone ditching their older models to get the new one?

Oh, yes, first post. Hi, y'all!

cool, I was hoping they would have thrown 260 to the wheels but it is still an increase over the SC and stock. Plus I think you guys will be able to get better power out of it easier and probably cheaper with the turbo. Atleast I hope so. Still with 260 to the fly wheel that would be about 225-230 to the wheels I think

Depends on the dyno, the place you run the dyno, etc. Engine dynos give more accurate results of power as its much easier to build a climate control chamber around one (they are smaller) and you can directly bolt the engine to them instead of going through tires/rollers. Regardless, for the price there arn't too many other options out there short of the Mazdaspeed 3 with the same amount of power.

Just dynoed our HHR SS in stock trim

More to come tommorow.


http://i25.tinypic.com/2qm2f50.jpg

Just dynoed our HHR SS in stock trim

More to come tommorow.


http://i25.tinypic.com/2qm2f50.jpg


at wheels i am guessing, that is really!!!!good!!!!

Just dynoed our HHR SS in stock trim

More to come tommorow.


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Wait a second. That can't be at the wheels, can it?

If that is at the wheels, then that means that GM changed the tuning for the LNF compared to the Sol/Sky. Maybe GM wanted to keep up with the underrating like they did with the LSJ.:cssNET:

Wow, if that is at the wheels, then people are gonna be in for a huge surprise!!:guns:

Here is the dragtimes data as well.We rented the track on friday to get some base line testing.Currently Hp tuners has little to no effect on the times,They claim to have more adjustability in the coming months.We will have down pipes available for these very soon,today will will have more dyno data with off road down pipe and catted down pipe.Then we will start turning up the boost :cssNET:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-HHR-Timeslip-15018.html

Wait a second. That can't be at the wheels, can it?

If that is at the wheels, then that means that GM changed the tuning for the LNF compared to the Sol/Sky. Maybe GM wanted to keep up with the underrating like they did with the LSJ.:cssNET:

Wow, if that is at the wheels, then people are gonna be in for a huge surprise!!:guns:

Looking at dragtimes, it is noted that it has an aftermarket tune from ADM Performance.

Do you guys plan on becoming a supporting vendor?

Looking at dragtimes, it is noted that it has an aftermarket tune from ADM Performance.

Do you guys plan on becoming a supporting vendor?

The thing will trap 103 stock if you don't monkey around with it.

The thing will trap 103 stock if you don't monkey around with it.

Oh yeah...the RT was almost a second.

The 60' was 2.6. I'm guessing the HHR has more problems with traction than the ss/sc, considering I have hit 2.3 and 2.4 60's consistently in my 2.2L balt.

Plus it has such a big wind resistance in the front, I don't think it will hit the 103 trap like the cobalt ss/tc. I could see 14.2 @101 with that car stock, with tons of practice.

conservative numbers turn around that... 14.2@101MPH... but the edmunds full test managed a 14 flat @ 103MPH... pretty darn good

It is a brick going through the air,kinda like the Trailblazer SS we do currently.

I am planning to be a supporting vendor of this site,sent email,no response.

Also the tune(what little I could do) was mearly modifying the iat spark retard and trying to raise the rev limiter,but currently hp tuners does not change this.

We did our custom 3" Down pipe today and showed no gains,flattened the air fuel and added timing after the torque curve with no improvements.Currenly in a holding pattern till Hp tuners get us on track with enough parameters to get it dialed in correctly.

The 60ft times were horrible,this thing just does not launch.The launch control sets the throttle blade at 40% till you get the revlimiter,this was datalogged with the tech 2 on every launch controlled pass.Launch control does not do as stated.Zero lift shift works perfect,that is how I got the 14.67 out of it.It was t warm on friday and we just left a rain storm causing track/air conditions to not be favorable.

More to come...I will get pics of the down pipe soon.


Andy

I still don't get how the SS/TC isn't putting down better track times???

It is a brick going through the air,kinda like the Trailblazer SS we do currently.

I am planning to be a supporting vendor of this site,sent email,no response.

Also the tune(what little I could do) was mearly modifying the iat spark retard and trying to raise the rev limiter,but currently hp tuners does not change this.

We did our custom 3" Down pipe today and showed no gains,flattened the air fuel and added timing after the torque curve with no improvements.Currenly in a holding pattern till Hp tuners get us on track with enough parameters to get it dialed in correctly.

The 60ft times were horrible,this thing just does not launch.The launch control sets the throttle blade at 40% till you get the revlimiter,this was datalogged with the tech 2 on every launch controlled pass.Launch control does not do as stated.Zero lift shift works perfect,that is how I got the 14.67 out of it.It was t warm on friday and we just left a rain storm causing track/air conditions to not be favorable.

More to come...I will get pics of the down pipe soon.


Andy

Awesome...sounds great. Looks like you'll be our gateway for the 2008 Cobalt SS market. :cssNET: As far as the supporting vendor email, just be patient (even if it takes forever), they should hopefully get to your email soon enough. Keep us updated!

Thats not a bad time for the HHR SS. My dad just got my order down for a Black SS/TC today. I won't get it though until July when I get back. Ohe well. I was considering the HHR SS but I just didn't like it when I test drove it.

Yeah just wait it out. They should get back to you soon. Hope you get everything worked out soon.

I still don't get how the SS/TC isn't putting down better track times???

He is testing an HHR SS, not a SS/TC.

The cobalt will most definately put down better times than the HHR SS. It weighs in 100lbs less, much better aerodynamics, and better traction mods to prevent wheel hop. Edmunds hit a 14.0 in the 1/4 mile, and we all know their track record, so I assume bone stock w/ manual launch + driver mod = 13.8.

He is testing an HHR SS, not a SS/TC.

The cobalt will most definately put down better times than the HHR SS. It weighs in 100lbs less, much better aerodynamics, and better traction mods to prevent wheel hop. Edmunds hit a 14.0 in the 1/4 mile, and we all know their track record, so I assume bone stock w/ manual launch + driver mod = 13.8.

For sure....

Driver mod + Manual Launch > Launch Control

...any day! ;)

DRIVER MOD FOR SURE,I come from rwd cars that launch like a mofo!This fwd is a whole nother ball game.

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He is testing an HHR SS, not a SS/TC.

The cobalt will most definately put down better times than the HHR SS. It weighs in 100lbs less, much better aerodynamics, and better traction mods to prevent wheel hop. Edmunds hit a 14.0 in the 1/4 mile, and we all know their track record, so I assume bone stock w/ manual launch + driver mod = 13.8.

Yeah I knew it was a HHR but my logic was if GM rated the TC at 14.1....thats not the improvement you'd expect from the 14.4 SC after all the extra features and the extra power in the TC. 13.8 sounds more reasonable tho :cssNET:

has anyone seen a vid of 08 with bov?

Update to the first post on pricing, prices are now available on Chevy.com

Full loaded looks to be in the 23k range, don't remember specifically.

Alot of ppl ask me is it single or dual ohc

so u might mention that its DOHC

has anyone seen a vid of 08 with bov?

no bov.
yes the video's were great
youtube is ur friend

whats up guys i was lookin up some info on the new turbo ss and i was wondering what you guys thought about the car. i rencety got a great job and now and start saving for a car. iv got it down to two cars .. the 2008 cobalt ss turbo or a 2008 evo X what you guys think bout the new ss as far as power

whats up guys i was lookin up some info on the new turbo ss and i was wondering what you guys thought about the car. i rencety got a great job and now and start saving for a car. iv got it down to two cars .. the 2008 cobalt ss turbo or a 2008 evo X what you guys think bout the new ss as far as power

Wish i could help, no one has their car yet including me they are all in shipping. But i think both the Evo x and the Cobalt ss/tc are unique and completly different platforms, evo x has awd i believe and the cobalt ss/tc doesn't but for the price the cobalt kicks ass and is best in its class. I would order the 09 cobalt ss/tc which goes on sale next month.:cssNET:

whats up guys i was lookin up some info on the new turbo ss and i was wondering what you guys thought about the car. i rencety got a great job and now and start saving for a car. iv got it down to two cars .. the 2008 cobalt ss turbo or a 2008 evo X what you guys think bout the new ss as far as power

For starters, the car hasnt hit the dealers yet. Any day now it should.
Evo will smoke it, but its easily 10-12k more money

So far so good. It should be a blast to drive and an improvment from the previous cobalt.
Even though there are a lot of nay-sayers. Faster then mazdaspeed 3 and SRT-4.

Plus its much better looking compared to the BoxRT-4

Kinda cheap interior but the seats are to die for. But its only a 23K car, its not supposed to be bimmer quality.

So far so good, only time will tell if this really lives up to the hype

For starters, the car hasnt hit the dealers yet. Any day now it should.
Evo will smoke it, but its easily 10-12k more money

So far so good. It should be a blast to drive and an improvment from the previous cobalt.
Even though there are a lot of nay-sayers. Faster then mazdaspeed 3 and SRT-4.

Plus its much better looking compared to the BoxRT-4

Kinda cheap interior but the seats are to die for. But its only a 23K car, its not supposed to be bimmer quality.

So far so good, only time will tell if this really lives up to the hype

hey thanks man yea i know the evo will smoke it but like you said its 12k more and all you get is awd but the mpg sux on the evo its only like 16 and i know the cobalt will be a hell of alot better i deff like the price tag of the cobalt

Wish i could help, no one has their car yet including me they are all in shipping. But i think both the Evo x and the Cobalt ss/tc are unique and completly different platforms, evo x has awd i believe and the cobalt ss/tc doesn't but for the price the cobalt kicks ass and is best in its class. I would order the 09 cobalt ss/tc which goes on sale next month.:cssNET:

yea im think ima stick with the cobalt iv been comparing them and another thing if i break somin on the evo its gona cost out the ass to replace .. the price tag is a big pluss for me with the cobalt and also the fact its a chevy and can get parts anywere .. i just wonder how hard the down piping is goning to be to change. aslo ill prob add a bov soon as they are able to get it out. i went to the local dealer yesterday i told him what i watned he wrote it down and said theyd get one asap so i could check it out so well see i guess

getting a ss/tc asap is appearing to be a huge problem. people put their orders in early march and havent received their cars yet. i put my order in march 19th and it seems like i will be waiting a week at least but more likely a few weeks.

the cobalt and evo are 2 different worlds. and if you can afford an evo then gas isnt really a huge deal. anyone scared to punch the gas becasue its gonna lighten their wallet should probably not by buying a performance vehicle whether its 4 cylinders or 12.

yea thats true to about the gas but . my job makes me travel alot so i need somin resonable on gas and a frined has the ss/sc and i loved it but iv allways been a turbo person so im deff gona have to find out for myself when it hits the lots

hey thanks man yea i know the evo will smoke it but like you said its 12k more and all you get is awd but the mpg sux on the evo its only like 16 and i know the cobalt will be a hell of alot better i deff like the price tag of the cobalt



yea im think ima stick with the cobalt iv been comparing them and another thing if i break somin on the evo its gona cost out the ass to replace .. the price tag is a big pluss for me with the cobalt and also the fact its a chevy and can get parts anywere .. i just wonder how hard the down piping is goning to be to change. aslo ill prob add a bov soon as they are able to get it out. i went to the local dealer yesterday i told him what i watned he wrote it down and said theyd get one asap so i could check it out so well see i guess

You need to read some of the old posts and my write up.
You can't bov this car, it would be really bad. I'll get the link for you

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106776

Read my friend. Evo tuning and cobalt tuning is completely different

like i said i dont know much about the new ss/tc. only what iv found by google. this forum seems to have more info about it. that is why i joined becuase i will buy one of these cars and wanted to know more about it . as far as the bov gos if you dont need one awesome becasue if you get a sound Its a million times louder with an intake. thats so much better i think because you wont have the ricie sound like everone that as a bov knows. a louder sound from the intake will be great becasue it may be a new sound a lot of people havnt herd befor and be like wtf is that .correct me if im wrong

The sound is going to be as loud because the there is no "blowing off" of pressure.

You'll hear it spool up, and shutter when you release the gas but not loud as bov.

yea i think id like that give more of its own sound .. im about like you though ill prob do small things like intake and exhaust pretty soon . im gona be more for looks and then speed like you said the speed can come later when they get everthing figured out. as soon as i get it ill be tinting it and adding a indash touch screen

one spec i did not see is the lug pattern. still the same 5x110?

well it is good to start seeing some dyno charts for the SS/T showing it in the 240 whp range. That is a pretty big increase over the SS/SC original dyno.

ok heres my question.. will the GMPP exhaust hurt the T/C?? one of my S/c friends was gonna give me his but then retracted it saying it will hurt me when i wanna upgrade the turbo and stuff whent here is nothin to upgrade for at least a year or more...

It shouldn't, Turbo cars generally prefer more free flow exhaust.

Does anyone know where to get a cold air intake for the 08 SS/TC yet?

Does anyone know where to get a cold air intake for the 08 SS/TC yet?

None out yet, very soon though

Does any pne know when the break in point of the motor. Mine has 73 miles and i can not wait to mass on it.

I have 900+ plus on mine and i opened her up around 600. The owners manual says at least 500.

my SS/TC is up for grabs peeps.... ha ha always will be till someone takes it off my hands...

Is there going to be Tuning available?
The LNF has already spent a year in the Pontiac Solstice GXP & Saturn Sky Redline so some tuning has already begun. HPTuners has a beta release but it can't fully control the engine yet. The tuning is still very immature and not full featured at this time.
One of the major hurdels of tuning the LNF is the complexity involved in tuning the Direct Fuel Injection.



You might consider updating this, we've had several releases recently specifically for the LNF motors and have seen several vehicles make well over 300hp & 300ftlb to the wheels using HP tuners so while still in its infancy these vehicles are very much tunable now and is a great, inexpensive way to add gobs of both hp & torque.

-Bill

I don't own and LNF, but I have some experience with turbo'd platforms. I was just curious if Chevy put on a turbo timer on these things?

thanks for all the info:twothumbs

has anyone found a aluminum intercooler piping im going crazy tryin to get this hks bov on and cant do it with out the aluminum piping

Has anyone put the GM performance Cold air intake on the 08's yet??? I went to GM's website and i found one for like 277.00 but didn't know if it was going to effect my gas milage which im getting 27 in the city and 33 on the hight or maybe improve it idk. But i was hoping to get the car up to 270 maybe with the cold air intake to. But does anyone know if it voids the warranty on the motor if you put the Gm performance cold air intake on vs puting on a K&N which i heard if you put that on it voids the warranty on the motor. Let me know wat you all think!!!

Nate

Has anyone put the GM performance Cold air intake on the 08's yet??? I went to GM's website and i found one for like 277.00 but didn't know if it was going to effect my gas milage which im getting 27 in the city and 33 on the hight or maybe improve it idk. But i was hoping to get the car up to 270 maybe with the cold air intake to. But does anyone know if it voids the warranty on the motor if you put the Gm performance cold air intake on vs puting on a K&N which i heard if you put that on it voids the warranty on the motor. Let me know wat you all think!!!

Nate



That kit doesn't work for the LNF motor just the regular engines and LSJ

wats The LNF motor? i think i have the LSJ motor in mine where or wat do i do to get it tuned or more ponys out of her? i have the 2.0L and it says on the website its good for the 2.0 2.2 2.4 motors

wats The LNF motor? i think i have the LSJ motor in mine where or wat do i do to get it tuned or more ponys out of her? i have the 2.0L and it says on the website its good for the 2.0 2.2 2.4 motors

You have the LSJ then, the LNF is the turbocharged engine and the LSJ is the supercharged

You have the LSJ then, the LNF is the turbocharged engine and the LSJ is the supercharged

naw his name is 2008 ss he has the lnf it's turbocharged and by his pics its a vic red 08ss/tc

hey also does anyone now where to get some nice turbocharged badges for the back of my car? i bought 2 of the Turbocharged badges that come on the back and put them underneith the SS on the driver side and pass side SS symbols and it makes it look bad ass!! Idk why jm didn't do that in the first place like they did to all the supercharged SS's which don't make since. but let me know what you guys know!!?? :>)

nate

naw his name is 2008 ss he has the lnf it's turbocharged and by his pics its a vic red 08ss/tc

yep its the 08 turbocharged so its the LNF motor! so wat can i do to get more ponys out of her with out spending a shit ton of money? and does anyone know where to get a better charger tube than the stock POS that comes on it that keeps breaking?

nate

A air intake with not void your warranty a and yes gm has a cold air intake about to be released with the gm stage 1 kit and the air intake should give you better gas mileage.

wats the gm stage 1 kit all have in it?n and how much better mpg? im getting 27 city and 33 hwy

stage 1 is 290hp and 330tq you should get maybe a one or two more mpg.The stage 1 is just a couple of sensors and a reflash at the dealership and it is going to come with a intake and stage 1 is under warranty

Redcoboltss2008 take your questions and do a search. Keep it out of this thread. Or PM someone..Welcome bye the way.

how much it cost you thinnk? and you have it on yours and do you think i could DIY or dealer install? where could i get it at?

nate

i have done some research on the cold air just needed some other input from other ppl to see wat they were doing with there cars

how much it cost you thinnk? and you have it on yours and do you think i could DIY or dealer install?

nate

i have done some research on the cold air just needed some other input from other ppl to see wat they were doing with there cars


No its not released yet it should be out very soon. Just keep an eye on www.crateenginedepot.com they will have it very soon i think it will be about $600.The only you have do bring it to the dealer for is a reflash.

This is what the kit we be like but the cobalt stage 1 kit will have a intake so it will cost more.



http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Solstice-HHR-Stage-Kit-19212670-P2292C196.aspx

so they have it out for the HHR SS right now it looks like. So is looks like the sensors and tuff come with it but dont see cold air for it? is that the performance cold air come included with the kit to?

so they have it out for the HHR SS right now it looks like. So is looks like the sensors and tuff come with it but dont see cold air for it? is that the performance cold air come included with the kit to?

There is no cold air intake for the HHR and Solstice-sky. It only comes on the Cobalt ss stage 1 kit, but yes the sensors are going to be the same.

so does everone think its worth the money or not?

I think it is well worth the money, you get a tune which adds a big punch in hp and tq, while you get to keep your warranty. But remember it is 600 for the kit plus labor for a gm dealer to install it!!! if you install yourself which you could only do the intake and sensors, cause the program has to be installed via the TECH 2 or MID module through TIS2WEB, but once again if you install yourself you will void the warranty

one of my freinds is a tech and he will do the tech stuff for me for real cheap of wat it would cost to take it to a dealer he is a GM certified tech so i don't think it will hurt anything

I think it is well worth the money, you get a tune which adds a big punch in hp and tq, while you get to keep your warranty. But remember it is 600 for the kit plus labor for a gm dealer to install it!!! if you install yourself which you could only do the intake and sensors, cause the program has to be installed via the TECH 2 or MID module through TIS2WEB, but once again if you install yourself you will void the warranty

install is $50

Hey y'all, first post. I know I was supposed to introduce myself somewhere else but this is the thread that caught my attention. I read every post and I want to thank everyone for sharing info and being such enthusiastic SS owners...I didn't read one post from a d*** head...lol!

I bought a 2009 SS in black. I had driven the EVO and was impressed, but as others said the mileage stinks with the EVO and the extra vrooooom doesn't = $12,000 - 15,000 more. I'm HAPPY with my purchase, I'm having a BLAST! I was stationed in Germany a while back and had a M3. Although I won't make any lateral comparisons the FUN part is the same with the SS!

I had a 'FLOWMASTER' exhaust installed yesterday. The power increase is not neck-snapping, but it is noticeable. I'd love to have it dyno'ed! No cold air intake is available (unless someone knows better -- please tell me, thanks!) I put in a K&N drop in filter with little to no difference.

Guys, the flowmaster muffler and custom exhaust (cat-back) sounds very 'throaty' and AMERICAN, and like I said earlier there is a power increase across the spectrum. Here's the biggy...I can see an incredible gas mileage increase even when I'm driving it like a raped ape. I expect upwards of 5 MPG average increase and MORE after break-in.

Sorry for the LONG post.

Nice to be here among other SS owners!

Hey y'all, first post. I know I was supposed to introduce myself somewhere else but this is the thread that caught my attention. I read every post and I want to thank everyone for sharing info and being such enthusiastic SS owners...I didn't read one post from a d*** head...lol!

I bought a 2009 SS in black. I had driven the EVO and was impressed, but as others said the mileage stinks with the EVO and the extra vrooooom doesn't = $12,000 - 15,000 more. I'm HAPPY with my purchase, I'm having a BLAST! I was stationed in Germany a while back and had a M3. Although I won't make any lateral comparisons the FUN part is the same with the SS!

I had a 'FLOWMASTER' exhaust installed yesterday. The power increase is not neck-snapping, but it is noticeable. I'd love to have it dyno'ed! No cold air intake is available (unless someone knows better -- please tell me, thanks!) I put in a K&N drop in filter with little to no difference.

Guys, the flowmaster muffler and custom exhaust (cat-back) sounds very 'throaty' and AMERICAN, and like I said earlier there is a power increase across the spectrum. Here's the biggy...I can see an incredible gas mileage increase even when I'm driving it like a raped ape. I expect upwards of 5 MPG average increase and MORE after break-in.

Sorry for the LONG post.

Nice to be here among other SS owners!

Hey yea they have a few cold air intakes out aem and hahn are two. I ordered a hahn about 2 weeks ago and im still waiting on it but from what ive heard they are better than aem.

heres an inside clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JinJLRu9uc&feature=channel

and outside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJddxxMMtZU&feature=channel_page

WARNING TO SS/TC OWNERS. my 08 SRTC balt is now in the shop. after taking it in for service lasst week i just noticed yeseterday a slight idle problem... after going through the car was i opened the hood to wiper the engine off. a steel braided hose was dangling upward. this line proved to be the OIL FLOW LINE to the TURBO.i got a pic and ill post it a bit later.. but keep an eye on how you drive. cause it just... snapped... and you wont hear it either... this will cause oil to leak all over and inevitably lock your engine.. im lucky i caught it when i did..

So if i buy That Stage 1 kit for my 08 SS with that up my boost to? JW and will it go up with the the new cold air intake on it to? let me know

well it looks like i cant get rid of this car for my truck... sooo time for Hahn Overhaul!!!!!!

is there a timing belt or timing chain?

is there a timing belt or timing chain?

Chain

10-4, thank you much.

About the only 4-bangers that continue to use timing belts are the Subaru Boxer's. I personally hate timing belts. The OEM's claim 100k replacements now, but you can never trust rubber over steel IMHO. I still don't understand how that Boxer H4 got the Ward's award while the LNF remains off their radar. Then again, they awarded Ford the award several years in a row for the 4.6L 3V V8 that was based on the 2002 5.4L 3v V8 that debuted in Australia. The LNF produces a lot of bang for the buck and displacement. Fisker and Eflin use it on their specialty supercars but it remains an unsung hero for the most part. I bet the LNF would make a great engine for the Crown Vic, much better than the 239 hp 4.6L 2V V8 that they continue to use. The LNF w/ Stage 2 would also make more torque than the V8.

About the only 4-bangers that continue to use timing belts are the Subaru Boxer's. I personally hate timing belts. The OEM's claim 100k replacements now, but you can never trust rubber over steel IMHO. I still don't understand how that Boxer H4 got the Ward's award while the LNF remains off their radar. Then again, they awarded Ford the award several years in a row for the 4.6L 3V V8 that was based on the 2002 5.4L 3v V8 that debuted in Australia. The LNF produces a lot of bang for the buck and displacement. Fisker and Eflin use it on their specialty supercars but it remains an unsung hero for the most part. I bet the LNF would make a great engine for the Crown Vic, much better than the 239 hp 4.6L 2V V8 that they continue to use. The LNF w/ Stage 2 would also make more torque than the V8.

The SRT-4 uses a timing belt as well, more than likely the same with the regular neon. Not sure about the caliber though.

Is the Neon still a production vehicle? The Caliber uses a timing chain according to some Google searches. Like I said, about the only prominent engine that continues to use a belt is the Subaru Boxer H4. Everyone else has moved on to a timing chain. They are good for 300k miles. Even GM rates the stock timing chain components on the SS/TC good to 1400 hp (tensioner, guides, etc...)

nope, neon is no longer a production vehicle. sad to say, the SRT4 was a nice car. Much better looking than the CSRT4

i heard of a guy near me getting 242hp at the wheels on the dyno at a car show a few weeks back .. i twas a stock 09 cobalt SS/TC