Hi to all the Cobalt NATION!

My name is Andy Williamson, and I manage and help run the www.gmtunersource.com site. My company works for GM - as we handle a lot of the Youth Automotive Efforts etc.

We work with GM Racing - for the Ecotec Racing programs like the Drag Programs and Drift Program.

We also work with the GM Tuner Tour - that makes its way around to the HIN and other shows.

Enough of that stuff.....

We just got done with the GM VIP Party tonight here in Las Vegas. We are out here for SEMA - and I can tell you this, SEMA is happening!

GM Tonight officially unveiled the new Cobalt SS for 09, which will go on sale sometime in 2008 late in the season.

This car is amazing. There are some really nice upgrades, that a lot of you will like - Im sure.

Im beat... been up for 24 hours.... But wanted to toss out some photos for you to check out.

Photos aren't the greatest - but will do for now.

Oh - and yes this Turbo motor is to die for! Sick front mount from factory and all!

Hope this was a good first post. Love the site!

Enjoy the pics....

Thanks for having me!

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i thought it was a 2.0 not a 2.4 thats a 2.4 valve cover

You said photos, I only see one. I would like to see some pics inside the engine bay and also the FMIC. Looks good though!

EDIT: I spoke too soon. Sorry.

i thought it was a 2.0 not a 2.4 thats a 2.4 valve cover

VVT head

i thought it was a 2.0 not a 2.4 thats a 2.4 valve cover

It is a 2.0, the valve cover is different than the LSJ cover, just looks like a 2.4

i thought it was a 2.0 not a 2.4 thats a 2.4 valve cover

who cares bout the valve cover...u got a turbo'd balt thats a 2.0L TURBO...so just start drooling

i thought it was a 2.0 not a 2.4 thats a 2.4 valve cover

Are you ignorant to the fact that the LNF 2.0L has VVT and has a similar valve cover to the current 2.4L's that also have VVT? :nono:

ahh ok it threw me off...odd intercooler pipe to its flat

ahh ok it threw me off...odd intercooler pipe to its flat

probably flat for fitment reasons:twothumbs

who cares bout the valve cover...u got a turbo'd balt thats a 2.0L TURBO...so just start drooling

I personally like the LSJ's valve cover better, and its missin' an SC. ;) :lol:

I'd like to know if the door inserts are the same material as on the 05-07 cobalt ss sueprcharged. If it is, I'm buying those ASAP!

Also, are the stock brembo's the same rotor size as the Cobalt SS Supercharged's and are they a direct replacement? I may pick some of those up too. :)

ahh ok it threw me off...odd intercooler pipe to its flat

can u say restriction on the airbox and intercooler pipe..i bet u change those and u got ur self even less lag and more WHOOOOOSSSSSS PSHHHHH

yea i'm just wondering if i can use that piping for my balt i'm tubroin my 06

also does anyone knw how the internals are on this car...did they make them weak again or did they actually put some forged mo'fo's under that hood

also does anyone knw how the internals are on this car...did they make them weak again or did they actually put some forged mo'fo's under that hood

Same internals. There are too many of these threads around :nono:

i'd say they used the same..if there using the same tranny i bet the use same pistons and clutch lol

i'd say they used the same..if there using the same tranny i bet the use same pistons and clutch lol

theyre not using the same tranny

yea i thought they were just with the no lift shift thing

Same internals. There are too many of these threads around :nono:

same internals?so wats the point of buying the lnf than?u just get a turbo and more car payment increase..

theyre not using the same tranny

I thought they were. What are the new trannys. the LSJ's use the Getrag F35's right?

sweet pics man...thanks for taking the time to come on here and upload them for us to see:twothumbs

Wow those pictures are awesome im really liking those rims.
cant wait for more pics and info on the car!!

same internals?so wats the point of buying the lnf than?u just get a turbo and more car payment increase..

The cobalts internal's aren't weak. The fuel rail and inefficiency of the stock SC were its main problems. You've seen it. Turbo your LSJ, over 300whp, no problems....the cobalts internals are similar to that of the SRT's if I am not mistaken.

yea its the same tranny i'm tellin you just with the no lift shift

Wow those pictures are awesome im really liking those rims.
cant wait for more pics and info on the car!!

What more do you need? All the info and pics are here.

how can it be the exact same tranny with no lift shift, correct me if im wrong that would be impossible without chnaging the tranny a bit

The cobalts internal's aren't weak. The fuel rail and inefficiency of the stock SC were its main problems. You've seen it. Turbo your LSJ, over 300whp, no problems....the cobalts internals are similar to that of the SRT's if I am not mistaken.

not even close to a stock srt4 internals...stock internals on the neon can hold 500whp easily.i beleive the balt is 330 maxed out

What more do you need? All the info and pics are here.

pricing and options crap. lol thats the stuff i wanna know

how can it be the exact same tranny with no lift shift, correct me if im wrong that would be impossible without chnaging the tranny a bit

its the same..the no light shift is powershifting...u can do it on ur balt now and it will be no lift shift..all that does is u dont loose boost inbetween shifts

its a software and a shift syncro i think

its the same..the no light shift is powershifting...u can do it on ur balt now and it will be no lift shift..all that does is u dont loose boost inbetween shifts

so your telling me, that if i shift without releaseing the throttle on my tranny right now I wont burn the clutch?

wow!!

how can it be the exact same tranny with no lift shift, correct me if im wrong that would be impossible without changing the tranny a bit

The no lift shift is an ECU thing I was told. The no lift shift will still burn your clutch faster.

not even close to a stock srt4 internals...stock internals on the neon can hold 500whp easily.i beleive the balt is 330 maxed out

Its turboed stock, and its fuel system is a lot better. Its return. Their 4th piston doesn't go lean, nor do they have the heat the SC's have to deal with. I believe the SRT-4's are forged, as well as the cobalts....

so your telling me, that if i shift without releaseing the throttle on my tranny right now I wont burn the clutch?

u wont burn clutch fast,but prolly after 30k of powershifting it will start goin,but u will kill ur syncros fast..and thats all gm prolly changed..made them stronger and more durable

how can it be the exact same tranny with no lift shift, correct me if im wrong that would be impossible without chnaging the tranny a bit

Is there a thread for the no-lift-shift thing yet? It has NOTHING to do with the mechanicals in the transmission. It is a PCM/TCM control issue, it retards engine power when shifting so you don't have to lift off the gas, but you don't lose boost either. Its designed to allow really fast shifting without excessive clutch wear and minimum power loss. All in the electronics.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW, DODGE HAS DONE THIS ON THE SRT-4 IN THE STAGE KITS!!!

Is there a thread for the no-lift-shift thing yet? It has NOTHING to do with the mechanicals in the transmission. It is a PCM/TCM control issue, it retards engine power when shifting so you don't have to lift off the gas, but you don't lose boost either. Its designed to allow really fast shifting without excessive clutch wear and minimum power loss. All in the electronics.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW, DODGE HAS DONE THIS ON THE SRT-4 IN THE STAGE KITS!!!

THANK YOU...ITS BEEN DONE ON THE SRT BACK IN 03 LOL

pricing and options crap. lol thats the stuff i wanna know

My prediction for pricing will be baseline 25-26K stock....using brembos as well as a more powerful engine. That's asking for money and high insurances.

u wont burn clutch fast,but prolly after 30k of powershifting it will start goin,but u will kill ur syncros fast..and thats all gm prolly changed..made them stronger and more durable

Ok well then the clutch on the new tranny must be different right? if they are advertising this no lift shifting and the tranny is the same, then the clutch on this new balt will be gone in 30k? becuase the ECU cannot compensate for clutch burning considering thats a physical thing

Is there a thread for the no-lift-shift thing yet?

http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82403

Its turboed stock, and its fuel system is a lot better. Its return. Their 4th piston doesn't go lean, nor do they have the heat the SC's have to deal with. I believe the SRT-4's are forged, as well as the cobalts....

SRT-4 is not a return fuel system, its just like ours, and guess what, to make over 400 they convert over to return systems.

The bottom end in the SRT-4 is a workhorse, it is much stronger than anything in the cobalt. SRT-4 stock cranks have held damn near 1000 hp, everything else is good past 500. Please dont start thinking the new cobalts will be able to do this, just because its turbo'd.

Ok well then the clutch on the new tranny must be different right? if they are advertising this no lift shifting and the tranny is the same, then the clutch on this new balt will be gone in 30k? becuase the ECU cannot compensate for clutch burning considering thats a physical thing

prolly is diffrent since the car does come with more hp than the supercharged balts,so they up'd the clutch so it can hold more power..

if you can get 350 on stock internals please be happy with it..i'm hoping to get 320 with a 16 g turbo...on my lsj

prolly is diffrent since the car does come with more hp than the supercharged balts,so they up'd the clutch so it can hold more power..

ok so then the tranny is not completly the same and will be beefed up, so me saying that the tranny is not the same was not completly incorrect right?

SRT-4 is not a return fuel system, its just like ours, and guess what, to make over 400 they convert over to return systems.

The bottom end in the SRT-4 is a workhorse, it is much stronger than anything in the cobalt. SRT-4 stock cranks have held damn near 1000 hp, everything else is good past 500. Please dont start thinking the new cobalts will be able to do this, just because its turbo'd.

My mistake. I didn't know that much about the SRT-4's internals. And my mistake again, I thought the LNF balts would have a higher chance, and a much easier time doing it than the LSJ's would. I didn't think it was just because of the turbos, but I thought it was a factor into it.

tranny=same ....clutch..may not be

Ok well then the clutch on the new tranny must be different right? if they are advertising this no lift shifting and the tranny is the same, then the clutch on this new balt will be gone in 30k? becuase the ECU cannot compensate for clutch burning considering thats a physical thing

but the issue with clutch burning w/ power shift is when you powershift on the 05-07 there is still power while the clutch is depressed. But with the 08 the ECU cuts the power to the throttle when the clutch depressed and slow reapplies the gas as the clutch is being released. Basically the "no-lift" does the lifting for you.

ok so then the tranny is not completly the same and will be beefed up, so me saying that the tranny is not the same was not completly incorrect right?

true,clutch was the only think prolly changed in the car,i might be wrong or right,but no one knws for sure till the car actually comes out next yr

tranny=same ....clutch..may not be

clutch= part of tranny

Ok well then the clutch on the new tranny must be different right? if they are advertising this no lift shifting and the tranny is the same, then the clutch on this new balt will be gone in 30k? becuase the ECU cannot compensate for clutch burning considering thats a physical thing

prolly is diffrent since the car does come with more hp than the supercharged balts,so they up'd the clutch so it can hold more power..

No, the stock clutch holds fine, just ask the people making close to 300whp on it. It can hold it, with a decent driver. An amatuer will cook the clutch every time.

The ECU can compensate, it can back off enough timing to drop the torque below 100 ft/lbs really quick, that will let the clutch grab, then when the clutch comes off of the bottom it dials timing back in to get torque back. That is the magic behind the "no-lift-shift". I can do it without the ECU's help, it just requires much more skill and timing, and its not as easily repeatable. This will help some people be faster with the car, but it will help a lot of stupid people break things.

but the issue with clutch burning w/ power shift is when you powershift on the 05-07 there is still power while the clutch is depressed. But with the 08 the ECU cuts the power to the throttle when the clutch depressed and slow reapplies the gas as the clutch is being released. Basically the "no-lift" does the lifting for you.

ok thats understandable but wouldnt there still be excessive clutch wear over time? What kind of power is cut? Im not trying to challenge anyone here just trying to get a better handle on something that is new to me:twothumbs

since we have drive by wire, the ECU controls the throttle

clutch= part of tranny

True, but I could go pick up the same actual transmission and get an even stronger clutch. The actual transmission is still the same, just the clutch maybe a bit more powerful.

No, the stock clutch holds fine, just ask the people making close to 300whp on it. It can hold it, with a decent driver. An amatuer will cook the clutch every time.

The ECU can compensate, it can back off enough timing to drop the torque below 100 ft/lbs really quick, that will let the clutch grab, then when the clutch comes off of the bottom it dials timing back in to get torque back. That is the magic behind the "no-lift-shift". I can do it without the ECU's help, it just requires much more skill and timing, and its not as easily repeatable. This will help some people be faster with the car, but it will help a lot of stupid people break things.

prolly explains why i shift faster than most cobalt owners...

word...but if any of you get the lnf i'll run you against my turbo lsj:)

My mistake. I didn't know that much about the SRT-4's internals. And my mistake again, I thought the LNF balts would have a higher chance, and a much easier time doing it than the LSJ's would. I didn't think it was just because of the turbos, but I thought it was a factor into it.

LNF will be able to get to the limit of the internals more easily, due to less parasitic loss from the source of boost. It takes power to spin the blower, like 40 HP or more at smaller pulley levels, so you lose that from the wheels but are still putting stress on the engine to produce that power. Turbos recycle waste energy from the exhaust, meaning power consumption is virtually nil, so right there, assuming all things equal, you could free up 40-50 hp at the crank on an equally modded car. I will admit you will see many LNF cars breaking the 300 mark easily, to the wheels, but much past 350 they are going to be blowing up left and right.

since we have drive by wire, the ECU controls the throttle

so ur saying the ecu will close the throttle body when ur foot is still on the gas while shifting

word...but if any of you get the lnf i'll run you against my turbo lsj:)

I'll do it with my blown one, and I'll still give them hell. I'm known as the quickest Cobalt around here, and I don't plan on letting that change.

LNF will be able to get to the limit of the internals more easily, due to less parasitic loss from the source of boost. It takes power to spin the blower, like 40 HP or more at smaller pulley levels, so you lose that from the wheels but are still putting stress on the engine to produce that power. Turbos recycle waste energy from the exhaust, meaning power consumption is virtually nil, so right there, assuming all things equal, you could free up 40-50 hp at the crank on an equally modded car. I will admit you will see many LNF cars breaking the 300 mark easily, to the wheels, but much past 350 they are going to be blowing up left and right.

and thats when i come in and take there turbo's from them

LNF will be able to get to the limit of the internals more easily, due to less parasitic loss from the source of boost. It takes power to spin the blower, like 40 HP or more at smaller pulley levels, so you lose that from the wheels but are still putting stress on the engine to produce that power. Turbos recycle waste energy from the exhaust, meaning power consumption is virtually nil, so right there, assuming all things equal, you could free up 40-50 hp at the crank on an equally modded car. I will admit you will see many LNF cars breaking the 300 mark easily, to the wheels, but much past 350 they are going to be blowing up left and right.

I getcha. Thanks for the info and clarification.

so ur saying the ecu will close the throttle body when ur foot is still on the gas while shifting

Thats one possibility, but I doubt it, that would cause a boost spike and cause the car to blow-off or start to slow the turbo down, losing too much boost to be efficent. Wait until someone shows HPT logs of it, you will see the IDC and spark advance pulled way back momentarily. If you've ever been next to an SRT that uses that feature (they have a cable controlled throttle so it stays open), they just pop when shifting, like a backfire, from the sharp timing drop, but there is no stop in the pull. Car just keeps on going.

True, but I could go pick up the same actual transmission and get an even stronger clutch. The actual transmission is still the same, just the clutch maybe a bit more powerful.

very true technically the name is the same but mechanically the tranny will changed so therefore different lets just agree to disagree on that subject its not important:lol:

so ur saying the ecu will close the throttle body when ur foot is still on the gas while shifting

yes, that is exactly how it works, it detects the clutch being depressed and cuts the throttle, then as the clutch is being released the ECU reapplies the throttle based on clutch position.

I getcha. Thanks for the info and clarification.

thats why u buy a srt4 caliber and u dont worry bout building the intertals till u dyno 400whp

and thats when i come in and take there turbo's from them

Vulture! :lol:

it probably doesnt let of completly, so that it will maintain boost

Thats one possibility, but I doubt it, that would cause a boost spike and cause the car to blow-off or start to slow the turbo down, losing too much boost to be efficent. Wait until someone shows HPT logs of it, you will see the IDC and spark advance pulled way back momentarily. If you've ever been next to an SRT that uses that feature (they have a cable controlled throttle so it stays open), they just pop when shifting, like a backfire, from the sharp timing drop, but there is no stop in the pull. Car just keeps on going.

bro,i came from an srt4 to a cobalt..so i knw all bout it..tx for makin me feel sad now,i want a srt again,danm u

yea we just added like 4 pages in minutes lol

it probably doesnt let of completly, so that it will maintain boost

but if it doesnt let of completly wont there be excessive clutch wear over a regular 5spd?

but if it doesnt let of completly wont there be excessive clutch wear over a regular 5spd?

If you are worried about the clutch, don't shift the car too fast, just wait for the revs to drop before re-engaging the clutch. I've seen you say this over and over, i'm not sure what you are getting at. The clutch will hold up fine at stock and slightly modded levels, which is all its designed to do. My car has been holding up to nearly 300 whp for 45K miles, and if I continue to drive it correctly I can make it last for longer, I'm sure. If you are really worried about it, get an Exedy and call it a day.

bro,i came from an srt4 to a cobalt..so i knw all bout it..tx for makin me feel sad now,i want a srt again,danm u

Sorry, they are sweet for the power they can make. I just don't personally like the rest of the car and I wasn't comfortable driving it at all, or i'd have one right now. I'd probably be making 400+ hp, but whatever, I try not to think about that.

If you are worried about the clutch, don't shift the car too fast, just wait for the revs to drop before re-engaging the clutch. I've seen you say this over and over, i'm not sure what you are getting at. The clutch will hold up fine at stock and slightly modded levels, which is all its designed to do. My car has been holding up to nearly 300 whp for 45K miles, and if I continue to drive it correctly I can make it last for longer, I'm sure. If you are really worried about it, get an Exedy and call it a day.



Sorry, they are sweet for the power they can make, I just don't personally like the rest of the car and I wasn't comfortable driving it at all, or i'd have one right now, and I'd probably be making 400+ hp, but whatever, I try not to think about that.

amen....i dont let my revs drop not even 100rpm and boom im in the next gear...i got a video on youtube that shows my crazyness shifting...its like a no-lift shift..here u go guys..i do let go of the gas,but im really fast at getting back on it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZPEU6ebqEg

If you are worried about the clutch, don't shift the car too fast, just wait for the revs to drop before re-engaging the clutch. I've seen you say this over and over, i'm not sure what you are getting at. The clutch will hold up fine at stock and slightly modded levels, which is all its designed to do. My car has been holding up to nearly 300 whp for 45K miles, and if I continue to drive it correctly I can make it last for longer, I'm sure. If you are really worried about it, get an Exedy and call it a day.



Sorry, they are sweet for the power they can make, I just don't personally like the rest of the car and I wasn't comfortable driving it at all, or i'd have one right now, and I'd probably be making 400+ hp, but whatever, I try not to think about that.

no one really answered my question so i kept asking,what im trying to get at is the if the power is not completly cut and some throttle is still held while shifting will this not create excessive wear on the clutch if somone were to do this everday while driving their car? If you are saying this is the same as you powershifting while you race thats fine but, thats when you race. This car is being advertized as a no lift shifting car so people will be using that feature to its fullest, Im not worried about this, but id just like it further explained so i can expand knowledge of something that is new to me. If you dont like my questions just dont answer, like i mentioned before im not challenging anyones knowledge, just asking questions to help myself learn. is that not what this site is for?

no one really answered my question so i kept asking,what im trying to get at is the if the power is not completly cut and some throttle is still held while shifting will this not create excessive wear on the clutch if somone were to do this everday while driving their car? If you are saying this is the same as you powershifting while you race thats fine but, thats when you race. This car is being advertized as a no lift shifting car so people will be using that feature to its fullest, Im not worried about this, but id just like it further explained so i can expand knowledge of something that is new to me. If you dont like my questions just dont answer, like i mentioned before im not challenging anyones knowledge, just asking questions to help myself learn. is that not what this site is for?

Ok, I'm just making sure I understand what you are looking for so I can help answer your questions.

It is a feature designed to improve track performance, so it won't come into play with anything less than full-throttle shifting. If you are trying to get fast, full throttle shifts during your everyday driving, then you are going to wear the whole car out faster, regardless of what electrical nannys GM provides you.

ya the dude in the video clear states that when ur foot is planned or WOT that's when u can use the no lift shift,its not a think u can use when ur using 25% or ur throttle.u gotta use 100%

Ok, I'm just making sure I understand what you are looking for so I can help answer your questions.

It is a feature designed to improve track performance, so it won't come into play with anything less than full-throttle shifting. If you are trying to get fast, full throttle shifts during your everyday driving, then you are going to wear the whole car out faster, regardless of what electrical nannys GM provides you.

Ok, then GM will explain to every customer that the no lift shifting is for track use only? If not then people, ecspecially younger kids who hear about the "crazy new technology" (note sarcasm) will be burning out their clutches left and right. This clutch without proper driving already does not last as long as many other "performance" oriented vehicles on the market. Im not bashing the clutch becuase this one can be mastered, but if GM is going to advertize this new feature will it also warn those who arent experienced with it? Im not saying this will happen to say me or you but many new drivers will be enticed by the new feature and will use it regularly. I have a feeling this fetaure will be similar to the axles on this car, and GM will recognize the problem but will blame it on the driver using the car for performance purposes. Just my 2 cents:)

Ok, then GM will explain to every customer that the no lift shifting is for track use only? If not then people, ecspecially younger kids who hear about the "crazy new technology" (note sarcasm) will be burning out their clutches left and right. This clutch without proper driving already does not last as long as many other "performance" oriented vehicles on the market. Im not bashing the clutch becuase this one can be mastered, but if GM is going to advertize this new feature will it also warn those who arent experienced with it? Im not saying this will happen to say me or you but many new drivers will be enticed by the new feature and will use it regularly. I have a feeling this fetaure will be similar to the axles on this car, and GM will recognize the problem but will blame it on the driver using the car for performance purposes. Just my 2 cents:)

dude go drive a srt4 neon with s2 and do a WOT shift...mopar advertised it with there kits and it only works when ur shifting with 100% throttle and u wont loose boost at all,anything under 100% throttle wont make a big diffrence..its a choose the driver is willing to do..all GM did was make it,and told u how to do it,its ur car and u can do it in reverse if u want

its ur car and u can do it in reverse if u want

O RLY??

And where are you shifting to when you come out of reverse?? R2?

J/K :lol:

dude go drive a srt4 neon with s2 and do a WOT shift...mopar advertised it with there kits and it only works when ur shifting with 100% throttle and u wont loose boost at all,anything under 100% throttle wont make a big diffrence..its a choose the driver is willing to do..all GM did was make it,and told u how to do it,its ur car and u can do it in reverse if u want

the key thing you said was stage 2, people who run stage 2 choose to purchase stage 2 and its not a stock feature. So your saying if GM made a car that could go 200 MPH and told everyone that this car has an all new speed limiter of 200 mph but yet the car falls apart at 200 mph, its the drivers fault becuase he chose to use the feature GM introduced to the car? Im just tryign to say if this feature does do excessive wear to the clutch then the clutch needs to be beefed up to handle the extra stress. Im not bashing this idea of no lift shifting and i believe all of you when you say it works and helps with faster shifting. Im just trying to voice my opinion on something i believe GM should do to protect the consumer just as they should have beefed up the axles on these cars, when they have clearly stated they realized the problem but yet blame the issue on the driver.

the key thing you said was stage 2, people who run stage 2 choose to purchase stage 2 and its not a stock feature. So your saying if GM made a car that could go 200 MPH and told everyone that this car has an all new speed limiter of 200 mph but yet the car falls apart at 200 mph, its the drivers fault becuase he chose to use the feature GM introduced to the car? Im just tryign to say if this feature does do excessive wear to the clutch then the clutch needs to be beefed up to handle the extra stress. Im not bashing this idea of no lift shifting and i believe all of you when you say it works and helps with faster shifting. Im just trying to voice my opinion on something i believe GM should do to protect the consumer just as they should have beefed up the axles on these cars, when they have clearly stated they realized the problem but yet blame the issue on the driver.

I don't remember 100%, but I thought the GM bulletin was on transmission cases cracking and leaking fluid on the clutch due to wheelhop, which they acknowledged as a problem and claim to have addressed on the new 'balts. I don't remember seeing the factory ever admit to weak axles, and I don't think they have a reason to. There is no way you will break the stock axles unless you are racing, which is not thier responsiblility anyway.

I don't remember 100%, but I thought the GM bulletin was on transmission cases cracking and leaking fluid on the clutch due to wheelhop, which they acknowledged as a problem and claim to have addressed on the new 'balts. I don't remember seeing the factory ever admit to weak axles, and I don't think they have a reason to. There is no way you will break the stock axles unless you are racing, which is not thier responsiblility anyway.

Im not 100% either becuase i got my info on the bulliten from tech that works at my dealer so i cant say for sure, but there have been many people breaking thier axles at the track either stock or slightly modded. Do you not think that GM should have beefed up the axles of the performance version of the cobalt? Why buy a performance version of a car fi yuo cnat use it atleast at the track? Im just saying I wish GM would consider the consumer a bit more

You achieve full boost at 2000rpm's, so all the ECU has to do is keep the engine spinning at 2000rpm to keep boost so the amount of throttle needs would be very small; which would probably reduce clutch wear more the slamming the gears, it probably slips the clutch a bit to ease the wear on the clutch & axles.

The no-lift is only active at WOT, and im sure the the cars manual will address the feature. Most people probably will not know about it unless read there manual anyways.

(again, this is mostly speculation until GM releases something official, or explains the feature)

Im not 100% either becuase i got my info on the bulliten from tech that works at my dealer so i cant say for sure, but there have been many people breaking thier axles at the track either stock or slightly modded. Do you not think that GM should have beefed up the axles of the performance version of the cobalt? Why buy a performance version of a car fi yuo cnat use it atleast at the track? Im just saying I wish GM would consider the consumer a bit more

maybe the no lift is part of the way to address the issue, since it slowly reapplies the throttle, you wont be bangin gears & chirping your tires as much.

You achieve full boost at 2000rpm's, so all the ECU has to do is keep the engine spinning at 2000rpm to keep boost so the amount of throttle needs would be very small; which would probably reduce clutch wear more the slamming the gears, it probably slips the clutch a bit to ease the wear on the clutch & axles.

The no-lift is only active at WOT, and im sure the the cars manual will address the feature. Most people probably will not know about it unless read there manual anyways.

(again, this is mostly speculation until GM releases something official, or explains the feature)



maybe the no lift is part of the way to address the issue, since it slowly reapplies the throttle, you wont be bangin gears & chirping your tires as much.


very true, could very well help, thanks for the info reign, but guess we will just have to wait and see:lol: but we wont have to wait long becuase doesnt the HHR SS have the same feature?

the no lift shift can be turned off too correct...isn't it part of the traction control?

very true, could very well help, thanks for the info reign, but guess we will just have to wait and see:lol: but we wont have to wait long becuase doesnt the HHR SS have the same feature?

IDK it might, does the GXP/Redline have it?

i dont think the HHR does use it i thought they used a different tranny set up

I hear the HHR SS has a “no lift shift” feature when equipped with the manual transmission. What is that?
“No lift shift” allows the driver to shift the manual transmission without taking your foot of the accelerator. This segment exclusive feature allows for the lighting fast six second 0-60 time.

from chevyhhr.net

The HHR uses the same tranny: GM Powertrain Sweden F35 5-speed manual

and it also has an available: Hydra-Matic 4T45 4-speed automatic
^^talk about a kick ass tranny swap^^

HHR SS is set to release in Jan 2008

well i guess we will have to wait until january for the real info on the tranny, atleast thats not too long from now, i dont think the gxp or redline have it.

Nice.....

Would love to see the front mount.

Yea the charge piping and air box deffinatly need replacing. Theres always room for improvement.

Thanks for posting! ;)

Very good first post! Thanks for the pics, keep them coming...and videos...and inside info! lol

Im sure the Donna(badg1rl) will have some pics, since she is there & part of the GM Tuner tour

flat plastic UICP? that shit will need replaced, other than that i think this car is gonna sell quick as fuck!

i love the brakes!!

Lets not start condeming the LNF just yet at "only" 350whp untile more people start getting their hands on these things. I remember people saying a stock 2.4 can only handle 8lbs of boost until it blows and that number as been desimated. And once people start figuring out the Direct Injection tech and how to take advantage of it performance wise watch the fuck out.

Sorry, but I don't see the big deal with the new SS/TC... first of all, it looks like a regular Cobalt SS/NA with ugly rims (same style as the 2003-2005 Cavalier Z-24 rims), there appears to be no change in the the interior, and whoopity do its got a turbo engine like every other performance car. I perfer my 07 SS/SC because its not like every car on the road.

Sorry, but I don't see the big deal with the new SS/TC... first of all, it looks like a regular Cobalt SS/NA with ugly rims (same style as the 2003-2005 Cavalier Z-24 rims), there appears to be no change in the the interior, and whoopity do its got a turbo engine like every other performance car. I perfer my 07 SS/SC because its not like every car on the road.

Its got K04 Turbo, Direct Injection, VVT, Different seats, Brembo Brakes, Factory Short Throw Shifter, 14.8:1 steering ratio, 3.82:1 final drive ratio, StabiliTrak , no-lift shift, and different seats.

It has the SS/SC lip kit, with the available high rise wing...

But its just like the other cobalts :rolleyes:

damn that thing looks HOT!! :twothumbs :guns: I knew that other yeelow coupe on GM's press release wasn't the Turbo car (thing did not even have a turbo badge)----I can't wait to see the 4 dr Turbo SS.

And the rims remind me of being similar to Z06 Corvette rims.

I Want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I don't know what dramatic appearance adjustments some of you guys were expecting, but you have to remember this is being released during the current bodystyle, so obviously they are just going to tweak it a bit (the rims & seats)

I love it! Im just wondering what it'll be worth with all those goodies, now only if it was rear wheel drive.

i bet this car will be going for 21000... lets hope

wonder what gm is gonna sell those brakes and rotors for? obviously an insane dealer rate.

now that would be a sweet price, heck id buy one for sure. what did the sc balts sell for new i wonder?

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now that would be a sweet price, heck id buy one for sure. what did the sc balts sell for new i wonder?

$23855 MSRP with all options including polished wheels,G85 and onstar (this was late '06 invoiced after 05/01/06

Invoice was around 22100 and the gms price was 21500 or so.

i bet this car will be going for 21000... lets hope

i doubt that the car will be that cheap. but then again if it is, i think ill be buying myself a 21st b-day present. only 18 months left :guns: (lol its gunne be a long 18 months)

Cool pics man thanks.

looks like everythingg is gonna be same fitment as 05-07 =]

but now i just gotta find someone to go under my car weld my old exhaust back together so i can use my hahn 3inch for the new BALT!

$23855 MSRP with all options including polished wheels,G85 and onstar (this was late '06 invoiced after 05/01/06

Invoice was around 22100 and the gms price was 21500 or so.

thats not a bad price at all.

As for the car itself that looks nice. I'd get the seats all black though!!!:twothumbs

Hell yeah, my GMPP intake will swap over!!!!! That is awesome. Finally real picture proof.:twothumbs :twothumbs

If we still had rep, this guy would automatically be at 10+bars. :lol:

looks like i'm gunna be doing a motor/ tranny swap.

I wonder if we're going to have another round of trim bashing in a year?:lol:

:redx: somone host or save these on ss.net!!

another pic of the FMIC?

The only thing that would be cooler about that car is if they ditched the DI 2L motor and had a built 2.4L Turbo in it's place.

another pic of the FMIC?

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/10/medium_1801541407_39325c31a5_o.jpg

Do they have a list of options out yet for the LNF SS?

yeah i was looking for abettter one :)

I wonder if we're going to have another round of trim bashing in a year?:lol:

Absolutely! BUT, trim could change before the final model is released later this year. Then again, we spoke about doing this last year and in the end the bean counters said no.

What we spoke about: New gauge cluster (has an SS in it too), different steering wheel cover, different silver trim pieces (more like the satin trim in the G6 - far better quality, resists scratches), heated seats option. NAV was never a topic...sorry.

Based on my experience at GM, none of it will happen until the makeover. Still a hell of a value for what you get though.

Do they have a list of options out yet for the LNF SS?

Not yet, but check back here frequently:

http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/ After choosing 08 and chevy, select print book, and then print model after choosing Cobalt. You'll get the car's option list complete with dealer codes for the US (Canada's are similar).

Cool stuff! Welcome and thanks for the pics. If you get a chance, take some more so everyone else can drool.

hey does the turbo ss help or hurt the resale value of a supercharged ss?

i noticed the windshield washer fluid resevoir is relocated to

hey does the turbo ss help or hurt the resale value of a supercharged ss?

Unless there's a major demand for LSJ specific cars then it'll go down like any other car as they make the LNF based cars.

all ya'll can talk about is about upgrades and all? shit, im deff buying one (seriously) when they first come out, im putting buying a cobalt ls off for like four more months just for this

thats why u buy a srt4 caliber and u dont worry bout building the intertals till u dyno 400whp

I would get an SRT-4 caliber if it wasn't as ugly as sin. Speed isn't everything to me...I personally think that is one of the ugliest cars, along with the HHR, on the market, but people buy it..so...

Sorry, but I don't see the big deal with the new SS/TC... first of all, it looks like a regular Cobalt SS/NA with ugly rims (same style as the 2003-2005 Cavalier Z-24 rims), there appears to be no change in the the interior, and whoopity do its got a turbo engine like every other performance car. I perfer my 07 SS/SC because its not like every car on the road.

I'd double you on that. Except on the SS/NA thing, it looks like an SS/SC with different rims, which are okay....and I think interior was downgraded.

Its got K04 Turbo, Direct Injection, VVT, Different seats, Brembo Brakes, Factory Short Throw Shifter, 14.8:1 steering ratio, 3.82:1 final drive ratio, StabiliTrak , no-lift shift, and different seats.

It has the SS/SC lip kit, with the available high rise wing...

But its just like the other cobalts :rolleyes:

He said like every other CAR. Doesn't matter what kind of turbo it is, its still a turbo...like every other performance car on the road for the most part..it has VVT...like most every other performance car on the road, it has brembo brakes....like a few other performance cars on the road....the factory STS on the SS/SC wasn't that short at all. And you said different seats twice. Most stick shift vehicles and 'no lift shift'. People are seriously hyping that up.

i bet this car will be going for 21000... lets hope

Don't kid yourself if you think this car will be under 23-24K..MINIMUM.

wonder what gm is gonna sell those brakes and rotors for? obviously an insane dealer rate.

I double this statement. I'd like to have the calipers...and get some cross drilled and slotted rotors.

looks like i'm gunna be doing a motor/ tranny swap.

Why? That would cost twice to three times more. Just turbo your LSJ and you will be that much faster. The tranny thing I can see though.

I wonder if we're going to have another round of trim bashing in a year?:lol:

Nothing will change, in fact I believe there will be MORE trim hate. Its only going down hill.

hey does the turbo ss help or hurt the resale value of a supercharged ss?

That's a good question..my guess is hurt. There is a newer, faster SS out there...people want that probably...:(

maybe the price went up a little bit, but remember if gm makes it to high, then people will lead to other cars because its more cost efficient.

ill say maybe like 23500 start?

look at the boost guage, thats different

hmm im not sure if i want one or not......i love my ss/sc and owe a lot on it still

maybe the price went up a little bit, but remember if gm makes it to high, then people will lead to other cars because its more cost efficient.

ill say maybe like 23500 start?

24K minimum....it will be around the new 1 series BMW and be able to compete up top. It will comepete with the MS3 I believe, that thing is like 25K minimum, maxish of 27-28K.

look at the boost gauge, thats different

What? No its not......its the same dang boost gauge in the SS/SC. Cosmetic changes weren't that big....they STILL don't have an SS badge in the center steering column.

Some will like the cast Intake manifold.

24K minimum....it will be around the new 1 series BMW and be able to compete up top. It will comepete with the MS3 I believe, that thing is like 25K minimum, maxish of 27-28K.



What? No its not......its the same dang boost gauge in the SS/SC. Cosmetic changes weren't that big....they STILL don't have an SS badge in the center steering column.

you 100% on that? that picture on the first page just makes it look a bit different, its a shitty ass picture but it looks differnt, could be wrong tho, any one got a good picture of it? or maybe some one else want to say its the exact same one to confirm this?

I like it, my favorite is the brake upgrade. I'll be looking to see if it'll be feasible to get one from a wrecked SS/TC after they hit the market and someone has an opportunity to destroy one (if they'll even work on the LSJ version--might have to reroute some stuff).

The better not be a boost gauge out of a ss/sc. Being the same motor out of a HHR SS, should have the same guage right? Doesnt the HHR's go to 25 psi? Also I like it. It looks just like mine which is cool because I love the look since it came out. I want a good pic of the seats though. Also, why oh why no HID's?! Oh well, its still sexy.:twothumbs

The better not be a boost gauge out of a ss/sc. Being the same motor out of a HHR SS, should have the same guage right? Doesnt the HHR's go to 25 psi? Also I like it. It looks just like mine which is cool because I love the look since it came out. I want a good pic of the seats though. Also, why oh why no HID's?! Oh well, its still sexy.:twothumbs

nooo not 25 psi lol 20 max and a tune can bring it to 23 but depending on your location you might see under 20psi

nooo not 25 psi lol 20 max and a tune can bring it to 23 but depending on your location you might see under 20psi

Ah ok. I though it was like ss/sc. Pushes 12 stock and with upgrades, it can go more and show it. It would be 23 here though:twothumbs When I get it though, Ill wont do much. I was impressed enough when I drove my buddys dad's sky RL. Sure it wont be as fun as a RWD car but it will still kick ass.

Is the car stock...dose headlights comewith them?..their really nice and nice stock rims too..i thought it came with the vette rims?..overall nice

oh god... the return of the dreaded fugly ass e-brake NOOOOOO!!!!!

oh god... the return of the dreaded fugly ass e-brake NOOOOOO!!!!!

I know right. I shook my head when I saw that. Little shit like that should be changed. New headlights and that would set it off that much more.

I could have sworn somewhere it said it has forged connecting rods and pistons.

I could have sworn somewhere it said it has forged connecting rods and pistons.

I thought I heard that to. So many people are bitching about little things like a freaking E-brake. For christ sake you can't keep anyone happy. Always something wrong with something. This car is a very nice upgrade of the old SS/SC. I wish I would of waited to buy a new car. Would have 10+k to put down on the new SS/TC. Its just the way of life. Technology gets better and every few years there will be a better car. Man did Caviliers come far HAHAHA.

If my Exedy clutch, flywheel, pressure plate work with this car I may get one lol. Wonder what the stock axles will be like. So many questions.....

Welcome to cobaltss.net and thanks for posting pics!

I swore i read someting about projector headlights stock?

Am i crazy?

So many people are bitching about little things like a freaking E-brake. For christ sake you can't keep anyone happy.

True, but taking the time to ensure that all the little things are proper is part of building a great car.

Only thing that stands out to me, the IC piping looks suspect but it's functionally is most likely just fine.

I look forward to hopefully getting a thorough viewing at the Detroit auto show (assuming it will be there)

I swore i read someting about projector headlights stock?

Am i crazy?

Yes, I havent read anything about it... Onyx04 mentioned that they "should" come with it in one of his bitching threads, but no HID wont be on the LNF Cobalt for 08

Yes, I havent read anything about it... Onyx04 mentioned that they "should" come with it in one of his bitching threads, but no HID wont be on the LNF Cobalt for 08

yea alot of things "should have" come on this car but unfortunatly for us GM wont redesign alot of things just to sell 100000 units annually.

I hate the engine. It looks cheap with all the plastic from the turbo.
Also brembos.... Those will be expensive to change.
Wheels look good
The seats look ok but not for a daily driver.
It will be a fast car and i would take it over my SS/SC but I wouldnt buy another Cobalt

I like it, my favorite is the brake upgrade. I'll be looking to see if it'll be feasible to get one from a wrecked SS/TC after they hit the market and someone has an opportunity to destroy one (if they'll even work on the LSJ version--might have to reroute some stuff).

i also like the brake updates but if you think about it.....the car will probably more expensive, take 1k and buy a nice brake kit. it will be the same and probably more quality.

you 100% on that? that picture on the first page just makes it look a bit different, its a shitty ass picture but it looks differnt, could be wrong tho, any one got a good picture of it? or maybe some one else want to say its the exact same one to confirm this?

I'm pretty sure. The whole gauge cluster looks the same, as well as the boost gauge.

I like it, my favorite is the brake upgrade. I'll be looking to see if it'll be feasible to get one from a wrecked SS/TC after they hit the market and someone has an opportunity to destroy one (if they'll even work on the LSJ version--might have to reroute some stuff).

That will most likely be the most popular upgrade. I like the calipers and some cross-drilled slotted rotors. I think the silver itnerior for the doors will be popular...as well as seat swaps.

oh god... the return of the dreaded fugly ass e-brake NOOOOOO!!!!!

:lol:

I thought I heard that to. So many people are bitching about little things like a freaking E-brake. For christ sake you can't keep anyone happy. Always something wrong with something. This car is a very nice upgrade of the old SS/SC. I wish I would of waited to buy a new car. Would have 10+k to put down on the new SS/TC. Its just the way of life. Technology gets better and every few years there will be a better car. Man did Caviliers come far HAHAHA.

If my Exedy clutch, flywheel, pressure plate work with this car I may get one lol. Wonder what the stock axles will be like. So many questions.....

Summoned up in a sentence. There are still MANY questions that need to be answered. We will see when it comes out.

i also like the brake updates but if you think about it.....the car will probably more expensive, take 1k and buy a nice brake kit. it will be the same and probably more quality.

x2. A aftermarket kit will out perform them anyway.