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blackedbalt

10-30-2007, 04:26 PM

OK, some of you may be sick of hearing about the tc ss, but who cares, im doing freaking back flips over here because im getting one, and ive been waiting for gm to do this...anyway...

i was reading through car and driver, and they had a review on the new evo x gsr edition. the times? 0-60 in 5 sec, and 1/4 mile in 13.8 sec...a chevy cobalt is 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, 1/4 mile time in 14.1 (got info from css.net). the cobalt is only .3 sec away from tying with the evo. only reason the evo is so quick in 0-60 is because of its awd, after that it really doesnt compare that much to the ss tc.

they also had of the new srt4. 0-60 in 5.9 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.4. the cobalt is faster than the srt-4, and remember, times can be faster or slower according to driver error and the altitude you live at.

but shit, not bad at all. were almost keeping up with the evo x's?

:cssNET:

CobaltVenomSS

10-30-2007, 04:30 PM

still has to compete with the older srt-4's

D4u2s0t

10-30-2007, 04:32 PM

The Punisher

10-30-2007, 04:38 PM

^^x2 everyone just needs to calm down and wait it out.....

oh by the way I like your black out light CobaltVenomSS ;)

blackedbalt

10-30-2007, 04:38 PM

if you consider paper racing "keeping up" then yes. let's wait to see what the cars really do first before you go telling people that you will keep up with evos in a car that will be out in more than a year that you may or may not ever own. :lol:

im not saying it will, but with little money it very well could...and itll be less then a year, second quarter of 08 is like may'ish...

Area47

10-30-2007, 04:40 PM

you need to dig up dyno numbers from the gxp/redline before you go comparing numbers. this will give you a better idea of what it's doing.

remember, this is also fwd. not rwd.

3ds138

10-30-2007, 04:41 PM

I think everyone should just put a hold till them damn things are available for purchasing.. Everyone is expecting so much, just by guessing..

The Punisher

10-30-2007, 04:43 PM

agree, thats what I said!!^^

RuSSo-29

10-30-2007, 04:44 PM

im not saying it will, but with little money it very well could...and itll be less then a year, second quarter of 08 is like may'ish...

and i'm sure them with a lil money will be able to stay faster then it.,.....

D4u2s0t

10-30-2007, 04:44 PM

im not saying it will, but with little money it very well could...and itll be less then a year, second quarter of 08 is like may'ish...

so can the ss/sc. people are idiots when it comes to modding their car. and if they're an idiot with one car, they'll do the same thing with the next. people add crazy small pulleys, h/e's, full boltons, etc and complain when they get shitty times. why? no traction mods, no slicks, crappy ass street tires, etc. the new cobalt will not really have that much more power anyways. assuming 15% drivetrain loss (if they're not underrated) that's 221 to the wheels. big whoop. you will run into the same exact problems that we have now with the cobalt. except you'll be upside down in the red.

how many times have my posts been ignored when i tell people to get motor mounts? or prothane mounts? Or an ingalls? instead they get a 2.7 " pulley and have no traction, so it's worthless at that point.

power is not everything. without traction, power is worthelss.

fballman1987

10-30-2007, 04:44 PM

for a little money you could turbo a lsj and not spend 23k for a maxxed turbo

SSCobalt~SSZ24

10-30-2007, 04:45 PM

we will see when it comes out.........love my lsj for now

Omega_5

10-30-2007, 04:48 PM

power is not everything. without traction, power is worthelss.

Thank you!

Tr1p1ng

10-30-2007, 04:49 PM

Im freaking out too, I cant wait!!!!!!!
I gotta get a damn job so I can get me one of these tho! :nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:
I want to get one in white, I think a white one w/ a carbon fiber hood & trunk w/ high pro cf spoiler would look so awesome, oh and with remedy1's wheels. :bow:
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/2/8/6/4/Picture1111.jpg
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/2/8/6/4/Picture1180.jpg
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/1/2/8/6/4/Picture745.jpg
:bow::nuts::bow::nuts::bow: :D

Area47

10-30-2007, 04:56 PM

BlueSS-supercharged

10-30-2007, 04:58 PM

good luck gettin one the way every ones acting, especially every one wanting white

Tr1p1ng

10-30-2007, 05:03 PM

I wonder if they're taking deposits? :D

BlueSS-supercharged

10-30-2007, 05:08 PM

oh i can get you one Tr1p1ng. . . .

Bika

10-30-2007, 05:13 PM

"Cobalt SS TC really going to be fast, i mean FAST"

*news flash* a 14 second car is not fast.
will it be quicker than the current SS in stock form? yes.
will it have a couple better parts than the current SS? yes.
will it have more nutswingers than the current SS? yes.
will it be gods gift to the sport compact world? NO.

sorry for the rant but im just sick of seeing threads like this. i need to visit this site less often:rolleyes:

Onyxd04Redline

10-30-2007, 05:44 PM

mken

10-30-2007, 06:35 PM

I'm more interested in what new parts being made for the '08 will work on my '05, like the brakes, for example, Brembo's ftw! (or maybe the seats if they're more comfortable than mine). Should be plenty of wrecked ones in a matter of months after they begin delivering them, considering some of the members on here...

Jimmys2007CobaltSS/C

10-30-2007, 06:42 PM

yea da 03-05 srt-4 are very friendly when modding them and i see some crazy ass numbers like300-400 whp srt-4s dats insane...ss/tc is nice but the need to get rid of those ugly rims their gonna aput on them and throw back da gunmetal ones...but i guess they have to change it up somehow i guess

Onyxd04Redline

10-30-2007, 06:44 PM

sealy

10-30-2007, 10:46 PM

we will see when it comes out.........love my lsj for now

ditto, i'm also content with what i have.

i hope the new ss kicks ass and surpasses all the expectations, but people need to settle down about it and stop assuming.

Rodimus_Prime

10-30-2007, 11:09 PM

its goign to be faster than 14.1 , ive seen a bone stock solstice gxp run 13.8 in 90 degrees at a slow dragstrip, the cobalt is a few hundred lbs lighter so a 13.5-13.7 bone stock 1/4 mile time is completely possible, with drag radials maybe even low 13s with no other mods

theres a 60hp difference here thats good for alot more than .1-.2 tenths over a stock supercharged ss

05redline

10-30-2007, 11:40 PM

How do you know it's going to be fast? Are you with the GM Performance Division? Did you develop it? What's that...nope. So I guess you don't know.

People need to quit with the damn magazine racing and speculating about a car that isn't even released yet. No one knows what it's going to run between now and production, but it sure in the hell is not going to be some supercar like everyone hypes it up to be.

its goign to be faster than 14.1 , ive seen a bone stock solstice gxp run 13.8 in 90 degrees at a slow dragstrip, the cobalt is a few hundred lbs lighter so a 13.5-13.7 bone stock 1/4 mile time is completely possible, with drag radials maybe even low 13s with no other mods

theres a 60hp difference here thats good for alot more than .1-.2 tenths over a stock supercharged ss
Where do you get that the cobalt is lighter than the solstice? They have an almost identical curb weight. The solstice also has the better advantage being RWD.

halfj99

10-30-2007, 11:42 PM

ugh, how bout we just wait tell the car exists before we f*in decide anything about it

firemanfrank

10-31-2007, 12:31 AM

I wish nothing but the best for the SS/Turbo.

And yes peeps, a low 14 sec. car off the showroom floor IS fast.

I mean, there are faster cars and there are slower cars.

But a low 14 sec. car that will probably do 155mph is plenty fast.

Good Luck to you, SS/T !

Onyxd04Redline

10-31-2007, 02:31 AM

theres a 60hp difference here thats good for alot more than .1-.2 tenths over a stock supercharged ss

:lol: You really don't know anything about the LSJ do you? Lots of guys on this board have dyno'd from 220-225whp bone stock.

220whp * 1.12 = 246 crank horsepower

Someone posted a dyno of a stock LNF putting down 229whp bone stock.

229 * 1.12 = 256 Crank horsepower.

In reality it's a 5 horsepower difference between engines.

Spectral

10-31-2007, 02:46 AM

that rwhp onyx not fwhp

JapEatr

10-31-2007, 02:56 AM

an0malous

10-31-2007, 02:57 AM

the short answer to the thread question?

no.

i would be shocked if a stock ss/tc sees any faster times than 13.9

Archie

10-31-2007, 03:50 AM

:lol: You really don't know anything about the LSJ do you? Lots of guys on this board have dyno'd from 220-225whp bone stock.

220whp * 1.12 = 246 crank horsepower

Someone posted a dyno of a stock LNF putting down 229whp bone stock.

229 * 1.12 = 256 Crank horsepower.

In reality it's a 5 horsepower difference between engines.

Really? How many LSJ's dyno'd 220-225 stock? From what I've seen, its 1/20 dyno's 220+ stock. 1/10 115whp+ stock. And by stock I mean keeping on the intake silencer and all.

Try recalculating in FWD not RWD. But in all reality, different dyno's, different days, different altitudes, different temperatures, different humidity, etc...

You really can't compare dyno numbers from one to another. You can only compare on the same dyno and only measuring mod % gains, even then it will be innacurate. And I thought everyone knew that.

We just have to wait for a bone stock SS/SC and a bone stock SS/TC to test on the same dyno on the same day. Stop bench racing.

an0malous

10-31-2007, 03:52 AM

no offence dude, but you need to stop ss/tc nuthugging.

your all over every post like a sunday morning rash.

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 04:33 AM

ok, GM rated the LSJ at 205hp stock, every ss/sc has dynoed 205-220 stock

But GM rated the LNF at 260hp stock, every stock dyno ive seen has been 235hp MAX.

Now, stg 2 gives you 40-50+hp which puts the LSJ in the 240-270WHP range.

The LNF is not going to be as fast as what everyone think outta the box, will it be a couple tenths faster then the LSJ probably, but 2-3 tenths isnt that amazing for something that is rated w/ 55hp over the LSJ & has the "no-lift" shift to improve its times.

Im very excited about the LNF, and have been reading all the threads, but you also have to be realistic here. The stock LNF is not something to UBER-HUMP outta the box, now when GM comes out with stage kits that give it +40-50HP then it will be something to marvel at, but until then stock for stock LNF vs LSJ sounds like its going to be a drivers race, add any mods to the LSJ and I think it gets the edge.

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I believe a more appropriate title for this thread would be: Cobalt SS TC really could be fast, i mean FAST

durka

10-31-2007, 05:04 AM

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 05:05 AM

everyone knows turbos > superchargers in modding and speed.

maybe in 4-cyl modding

durka

10-31-2007, 05:17 AM

maybe in 4-cyl modding

true

Super_SS

10-31-2007, 05:31 AM

the cobalt will never beat the srt in power..its a neon on steriods

HunterKiller89

10-31-2007, 05:39 AM

maybe in 4-cyl modding

not even there really...it all just depends....bigger turbo, bigger S/C....you can always get one bigger.

JRelly

10-31-2007, 05:40 AM

Turbos may yeild more power but superchargers bring more to the table when it comes to reliability:twothumbs

Super_SS

10-31-2007, 05:45 AM

Turbos may yeild more power but superchargers bring more to the table when it comes to reliability:twothumbs

who cares,u can make a turbo car reliable...just have enough fuel and proper tuning and ur good to go..my friend has a gt42r put down 580awhp hp on a sti and its his daily driver..been driving it 40k with that turbo and no problems at all

JRelly

10-31-2007, 05:53 AM

who cares,u can make a turbo car reliable...just have enough fuel and proper tuning and ur good to go..my friend has a gt42r put down 580awhp hp on a sti and its his daily driver..been driving it 40k with that turbo and no problems at all

damn way to just jump down somones throat, could you just chill out:guns: I never said they couldnt be reliable did I? I just said superchargers are more reliable overall:twothumbs And if you have a different opinion, thats good for you:cssNET:

durka

10-31-2007, 05:55 AM

JRelly

10-31-2007, 05:59 AM

all the cars companies that designed fast cars are turbos. because they are easy to mod and work great! the only reason why gm made a 4 banger s/c is to be unique and get a tension! they succeeded!! but only w/ the hicks and hicks don't usually buy sport cars, we're all about trucks and guns(lol)!!! so we are a small majority of the sport car population. someone has to hate hondas!

not trying piss anyone off by saying "hick." sorry if i do.

To get "a tension" huh?:lol: have you ever looked back on GMs history? they have used both forms of forced induction in their vehicles. More recently they have used Eaton superchargers for their 4 cylinder performance. Look what GMPP provided for the cavalier, they didnt provide a turbo kit did they? no they offered an eaton supercharger. Look at the Grand Prix GTP, guess what they also used an Eaton(M90). GM did not put the supercharger in the cobalt to grab attention:twothumbs

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 06:01 AM

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:02 AM

wow..

....the only reasons GM went to turbo is 1.) Contract w/ Eaton was up, and 2.) They could not get the SC Balt to meet the '08 emmission standards.

:lol: yea i completly forgot to add all that in my last post

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 06:02 AM

:lol: yea i completly forgot to add all that in my last post

well you hit the point i forgot to add :lol:

durka

10-31-2007, 06:05 AM

2.) They could not get the SC Balt to meet the '08 emmission standards.

another reason why turbos are better.

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:05 AM

well you hit the point i forgot to add :lol:

:lol: great minds think alike, and sometimes help to make each other greater:beer:

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 06:06 AM

another reason why turbos are better.

yes b/c all of us catless car modifiers are so worried about emmisions

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:07 AM

another reason why turbos are better.

once again please think before you speak, it wasnt becuase the motor motor wasnt turboed. If the same motor came turboed it still wouldnt have met emissions

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 06:11 AM

once again please think before you speak, it wasnt becuase the motor motor wasnt turboed. If the same motor came turboed it still wouldnt have met emissions

Im sure this will go over like a ton of bricks for him...

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:13 AM

Im sure this will go over like a ton of bricks for him...

:lol: probably

durka

10-31-2007, 06:15 AM

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:19 AM

some one has to be worried about emissions. not sure about s/c, but i know for a fact that in the RIGHT use, turbos can raise MPG.

not trying to make anyone mad, i love the s/c cobalt in wish i have the money to buy one, but if i was looking for a really fast car that was semi easy to mod that isn't a V8, it would have a turbo.

i mean i don't see 4-cylinder s/c cars with 350 hp+. i sure it's possible though

the only reason you dont see a cobalt that is supercharged and at 350+ is becuase of the roots supercharger and internals. They are made more for reliablity and limited maintenance. Look at Centrifugal supercharged cars, they are much more efficent and have a larger aftermarket. If there were more supercharged cars over turbo cars dont you think there would be more support for S/Ced cars? its a matter of supply and demand.

durka

10-31-2007, 06:24 AM

. If there were more supercharged cars over turbo cars dont you think there would be more support for S/Ced cars? its a matter of supply and demand.

true

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:28 AM

true

And dont get me wrong Im in no way trying to bash turbos becuase both have their advantages but Im just tired of people jumping on the turbo bandwagon. Just becuase they are used in cars where more power has been achieved does not mean that those same capabilites in a supercharged car are impossible. People just see the crazy HP numbers and automatically think "OMG it must be because its turbo" but really its the whole motor not just the Turbo, and if the same attention were put on supercharged cars Im sure we would see some higher more appealing HP humbers. Now some will disagree with me but thats my opinion

REIGN SS

10-31-2007, 06:30 AM

Now some will disagree with me but thats my opinion

Opinions, on an internet forum, NO WAY!! I thought everyone thought the same on here, :lol:

JRelly

10-31-2007, 06:34 AM

Opinions, on an internet forum, NO WAY!! I thought everyone thought the same on here, :lol:

Thats the way some people would have it:lol: I just like to throw that in on the end of my rants becuase people think im just tyring to spit "facts" out of my ass, most things i say are my opinion so i just like to let people know so they dont jump all over me:lol:

M-Dub

10-31-2007, 07:47 AM

WOW, we have a lotta' paper racers in here! Boooo

The damn car isn't even available yet! But I can guarantee this, it won't be as quick as everyone is thinking... and 2.) it will have just as many problems and situations arise as the LSJ did at first! Sooo, once again wait till the damn car comes out before we start the whole S/C vs. Turbo wars! Can we bring the LNF Cobalt back up in a year when they are starting to become available!

h0l0caust

10-31-2007, 09:37 AM

it seams like ss/sc people are offended that people want the ss/tc more than the lsj.

Everyone has been saying that GM is dumb for SC a 4 banger and wished it was turbo'd... then they release a turbo and all the ss/sc guys are mad because all of the money they put into their car and it still will be slower compared to a staged LNF.

I would be pissed to if i had just bought a ss/sc and gm just announces a turbo'd balt.

everyone knows turbos > superchargers in modding and speed.

im not mad at all, i defenitily think the tc'ed is and really nice upgrade from the the ss/sc i got, i did so many research before buying my ss/sc and i think its a great car, but i also thing that the tc is a better car in overall, i mean stock for stock, the 2009 is better.

some one has to be worried about emissions. not sure about s/c, but i know for a fact that in the RIGHT use, turbos can raise MPG.

not trying to make anyone mad, i love the s/c cobalt in wish i have the money to buy one, but if i was looking for a really fast car that was semi easy to mod that isn't a V8, it would have a turbo.

i mean i don't see 4-cylinder s/c cars with 350 hp+. i'm sure it's possible though

the ss/tc will be sucking more gaz than the supercharged. its proven that supercharger is allright on gaz.

firemanfrank

10-31-2007, 12:22 PM

the short answer to the thread question?

no.

i would be shocked if a stock ss/tc sees any faster times than 13.9

Yes, the SS/T will probably not run faster than a 13.9 sec. 1/4 mile.

But it will STILL be faster than a stock SC which turns a mid/hi 14 sec. 1/4 mile.

And for the people arguing JUST about the hp numbers, let's not forget the extra TORQUE that the SS/T is going to make.

That's one of the reasons why I just ordered St. 2., so I won't be tempted to trade in when the SS/T is released.

We just have to wait for a bone stock SS/SC and a bone stock SS/TC to test on the same dyno on the same day.

^Yes, that will be the ONLY way we are going to really know the actual whp difference between the two cars.

Stop bench racing.

NO FREAKING WAY!

It's too much fun ... ;)

Archie

10-31-2007, 01:08 PM

Now, stg 2 gives you 40-50+hp which puts the LSJ in the 240-270WHP range.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There is no cobalt with only Stage 2 putting down 270whp. Stage 2 does not mean a 2.6" pulley and HPT and bolt ons.

Maybe on some freak dyno that rates 20hp high. Besides what good is a stage 2 cobalt that can still only run 14.3 in the quarter. The SS/TC has modified suspension to mitigate wheel hop and torque steer.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the car came turbocharged or supercharged. I look at the overall package. The ss/tc runs circles around the ss/sc. The handling and stopping power is a huge improvement. Not to mention GM fixing axlehop and torque steer (I never thought torque steer could be fixed on FWD). I currently have a 2.2L, and see this as an oportunity to own a 13 second car from the factory, that handles like cars for 35-40K+, and is still cheap enough for me to afford, 25K or possibly less.

Area47

10-31-2007, 01:20 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There is no cobalt with only Stage 2 putting down 270whp. Stage 2 does not mean a 2.6" pulley and HPT and bolt ons.

Maybe on some freak dyno that rates 20hp high. Besides what good is a stage 2 cobalt that can still only run 14.3 in the quarter. The SS/TC has modified suspension to mitigate wheel hop and torque steer.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the car came turbocharged or supercharged. I look at the overall package. The ss/tc runs circles around the ss/sc. The handling and stopping power is a huge improvement. Not to mention GM fixing axlehop and torque steer (I never thought torque steer could be fixed on FWD). I currently have a 2.2L, and see this as an oportunity to own a 13 second car from the factory, that handles like cars for 35-40K+, and is still cheap enough for me to afford, 25K or possibly less.

i clearly remember running 13.701 with just a stage 2 done to my car. i also remember clearly that a couple stage 2 cars here running 14.0 all day long. if you seriously think the lnf is the answer to the power in the ss. you're going to be sadly mistaken.

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 01:24 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There is no cobalt with only Stage 2 putting down 270whp. Stage 2 does not mean a 2.6" pulley and HPT and bolt ons.

Maybe on some freak dyno that rates 20hp high. Besides what good is a stage 2 cobalt that can still only run 14.3 in the quarter. The SS/TC has modified suspension to mitigate wheel hop and torque steer.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the car came turbocharged or supercharged. I look at the overall package. The ss/tc runs circles around the ss/sc. The handling and stopping power is a huge improvement. Not to mention GM fixing axlehop and torque steer (I never thought torque steer could be fixed on FWD). I currently have a 2.2L, and see this as an oportunity to own a 13 second car from the factory, that handles like cars for 35-40K+, and is still cheap enough for me to afford, 25K or possibly less.

it's not that the stage 2 can't run better than 14.3, it's that the driver sucks. a good driver can hit a 14.3 stock. a good driver with stage 2 will run around 13.7 - 13.9. throw on a smaller pully and 13.6's are right there, again for a good driver.

M-Dub

10-31-2007, 01:30 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There is no cobalt with only Stage 2 putting down 270whp. Stage 2 does not mean a 2.6" pulley and HPT and bolt ons.
Maybe on some freak dyno that rates 20hp high. Besides what good is a stage 2 cobalt that can still only run 14.3 in the quarter. The SS/TC has modified suspension to mitigate wheel hop and torque steer.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the car came turbocharged or supercharged. I look at the overall package. The ss/tc runs circles around the ss/sc. The handling and stopping power is a huge improvement. Not to mention GM fixing axlehop and torque steer (I never thought torque steer could be fixed on FWD). I currently have a 2.2L, and see this as an oportunity to own a 13 second car from the factory, that handles like cars for 35-40K+, and is still cheap enough for me to afford, 25K or possibly less.

WOW, a little dense there aren't we! We are talking crank power! First step pull head out of butt, second think a little before you speak!

memphisr24

10-31-2007, 01:45 PM

so can the ss/sc. people are idiots when it comes to modding their car. and if they're an idiot with one car, they'll do the same thing with the next. people add crazy small pulleys, h/e's, full boltons, etc and complain when they get shitty times. why? no traction mods, no slicks, crappy ass street tires, etc. the new cobalt will not really have that much more power anyways. assuming 15% drivetrain loss (if they're not underrated) that's 221 to the wheels. big whoop. you will run into the same exact problems that we have now with the cobalt. except you'll be upside down in the red.

how many times have my posts been ignored when i tell people to get motor mounts? or prothane mounts? Or an ingalls? instead they get a 2.7 " pulley and have no traction, so it's worthless at that point.

power is not everything. without traction, power is worthelss.

I think that is a load of bullcrap. I have no traction mods/mounts whatsoever in my 2.5 pullied car and I pulled consistant 2.2's at the track with stock pirelli tires that had 25k miles on them...when most people are getting 15k miles out of them (I now have 36k on them). Sure 2.2 is nothing to brag about but it really isn't that bad for fwd...Reason why people don't use slicks is because most of us can't afford the 800 dollar axles that our out for our car. :guns:

if you seriously think the lnf is the answer to the power in the ss. you're going to be sadly mistaken.

Well, in my opinion, once they figure out how to upgrade the direct injection and tune the damn thing, it's going to be 10 TIMES cheaper to make 350-400 whp...which means there will be plenty of 350-400 whp tc lnf cobalts running around....again thats when they figure out the direct injection and tuning.

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 01:45 PM

I think that is a load of bullcrap. I have no traction mods/mounts whatsoever in my 2.5 pullied car and I pulled consistant 2.2's at the track with stock pirelli tires that had 25k miles on them...when most people are getting 15k miles out of them (I now have 36k on them). Sure 2.2 is nothing to brag about but it really isn't that bad for fwd...Reason why people don't use slicks is because most of us can't afford the 800 dollar axles that our out for our car. :guns:

you proved my point!

2.2 is not a good 60 foot time for a modded car at all.

also, look at your trap in the time in your sig. 108? that's good for low 12's with traction and a good 60'. so how is it bullcrap? 13.4 vs. 12.4? that's not bullcrap, it's the truth. like i said, people don't want to do the supporting traction mods, for one reason or another.

Cobalt_SSTuner

10-31-2007, 01:46 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There is no cobalt with only Stage 2 putting down 270whp. Stage 2 does not mean a 2.6" pulley and HPT and bolt ons.

Maybe on some freak dyno that rates 20hp high. Besides what good is a stage 2 cobalt that can still only run 14.3 in the quarter. The SS/TC has modified suspension to mitigate wheel hop and torque steer.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the car came turbocharged or supercharged. I look at the overall package. The ss/tc runs circles around the ss/sc. The handling and stopping power is a huge improvement. Not to mention GM fixing axlehop and torque steer (I never thought torque steer could be fixed on FWD). I currently have a 2.2L, and see this as an oportunity to own a 13 second car from the factory, that handles like cars for 35-40K+, and is still cheap enough for me to afford, 25K or possibly less.

Your just a ss tc fanboy. You are going to be super diappointed when it comes out.

distillion

10-31-2007, 01:52 PM

my friend ran 14.2 bone stock.

Area47

10-31-2007, 02:16 PM

you proved my point!

2.2 is not a good 60 foot time for a modded car at all.

also, look at your trap in the time in your sig. 108? that's good for low 12's with traction and a good 60'. so how is it bullcrap? 13.4 vs. 12.4? that's not bullcrap, it's the truth. like i said, people don't want to do the supporting traction mods, for one reason or another.

low 12's?
with what 60ft?!?!?!
1.0?

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 02:18 PM

low 12's?
with what 60ft?!?!?!
1.0?

i bet with a sub 2 second 60 and a trap of 108 you're looking at easy 12's. maybe not low, but i bet at least mids.

Area47

10-31-2007, 02:24 PM

i bet with a sub 2 second 60 and a trap of 108 you're looking at easy 12's. maybe not low, but i bet at least mids.

lets step outside the box a second here sunshine.

lets take my old gsx on pump gas.

12.74@108
1.65 60 ft. not bad, not good either. there is more to mph that most people see anyways.

i ran a 13.70@97 in my gxp with a 2.1 60ft. i also ran the same mph in my ss/sc with a 2.0 60ft, but went 14.6

what happened? the gxp had way more low end grunt than the ss/sc.

Onyxd04Redline

10-31-2007, 02:26 PM

The LNF is going to lay down A LOT more low end torque then the LSJ but they can use that to there advantage. Most will not order the G85 package and from a stop wheelspin is a killer of 60ft times.

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 02:27 PM

lets step outside the box a second here sunshine.

lets take my old gsx on pump gas.

12.74@108
1.65 60 ft. not bad, not good either. there is more to mph that most people see anyways.

i ran a 13.70@97 in my gxp with a 2.1 60ft. i also ran the same mph in my ss/sc with a 2.0 60ft, but went 14.6

what happened? the gxp had way more low end grunt than the ss/sc.

what happened was traction :lol:

and how does comparing 2 totally different cars have anything to do with what we're talking about? we're not comparing 2 totally different cars, we're compaing the same exact car, one with traction the other without.

Area47

10-31-2007, 02:33 PM

what happened was traction :lol:

and how does comparing 2 totally different cars have anything to do with what we're talking about? we're not comparing 2 totally different cars, we're compaing the same exact car, one with traction the other without.

60ft is the measure of distance between the start line and 60ft out. it takes x amount of seconds to cover this distance. so explain how one car with a 2.1 60ft can get a faster time than one with a 2.0 60ft.

i know what it was. you're looking for an answer, but you have to dig for it first. i know the answer, but you're going to have to work for it.

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 02:36 PM

Area47

10-31-2007, 02:52 PM

here's one. just because it gets off the line faster doesn't mean it's going to continue to pull harder. a pickup truck once put about a buslenthg on me off the line, and by 60 i was flying past him. you're scenario proves nothing.

actually it does prove something. it proves that the car with more torque, and better use of it's gearing will run faster.

which is why big bad diesel trucks run retarded et's and no mph.

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 02:53 PM

actually it does prove something. it proves that the car with more torque, and better use of it's gearing will run faster.

which is why big bad diesel trucks run retarded et's and no mph.

but i passed him before the 1/4 was over. so maybe off the line it will run faster, but that was about it in my scenario.

memphisr24

10-31-2007, 03:15 PM

Honestly, I think it comes down to how good of a driver you are. FWD is not good for launching and probably never will be (except a full out drag car like the 7 second fwd cobalts with like 25 inch wide tires in the front). Even the dudes in the 12 second categorey were only pulling 1.8 60's with slicks/drs. I really don't see the 60 times better than that on our fwd platform. So we really can't expect much in the 60 ft. Which is why most of us rely on the cars acceleration to pull us to a good tmie instead of an amazing launch because the amazing launch is going to be really rare

firemanfrank

10-31-2007, 04:24 PM

Where the heck has happened to this thread? :thumbsdow

"This car's 60ft. is this" .... "That car's 60 ft. is that" .... "FWD this" ... "AWD that ..."

Take it easy peeps!

Bottom line is this:

Stock for stock, the SC/T is gonna be a faster car than the SS/SC
A St. 2 SS/SC is gonna be about = to the SC/T in the 1/4 mile

There .... I said it. :)

Area47

10-31-2007, 05:08 PM

an0malous

10-31-2007, 05:11 PM

the question was, is it going to be "REALLY" fast.....
the answer is no.
it will be a hair faster than the ss/sc, and is a respectably quick little car.

ralliartist

10-31-2007, 05:15 PM

wow, I can't believe everyone is making these assumptions and the car isn't even out yet.

HOW can you assume that the ss/tc is going to be equal to a stage 2 ss/sc? You can't! because the car isn't out yet and No one has tested it. Quit talking about such things when you have no idea what the car is going to be like.

Onyxd04Redline

10-31-2007, 05:16 PM

The LNF on average will put out a good 15 wheel horsepower more then the Stock LSJ. Ofcourse there aren't many stock LSJ's around

SilverSS/SC

10-31-2007, 07:42 PM

i clearly remember running 13.701 with just a stage 2 done to my car. i also remember clearly that a couple stage 2 cars here running 14.0 all day long. if you seriously think the lnf is the answer to the power in the ss. you're going to be sadly mistaken.

....and one crazy sob , that runs high 13's with his stock pulley . Cant wait to get my 3" on :lol: .....watchout LNF peeps :guns:

firemanfrank

10-31-2007, 08:23 PM

we already knew that, but thanks.

Who is "we"? Maybe you, but not everyone.

I mean, havn't you been reading some of the posts?

I have, which is why I said it.

Your Welcome.

wow, I can't believe everyone is making these assumptions and the car isn't even out yet.

HOW can you assume that the ss/tc is going to be equal to a stage 2 ss/sc?

Easy there big guy, I was just going by the 14.1 that was quoted for the SS/T's 1/4 mile time.

That's all.

And so with that, I made a comparison with what St. 2's have been running.

Kinda simple really.

But yeah, only a full out road test can confirm those numbers.

Brandon97Z

10-31-2007, 09:25 PM

i bet with a sub 2 second 60 and a trap of 108 you're looking at easy 12's. maybe not low, but i bet at least mids.

I didn't know you can cut .2 off a 60ft and gain a full sec in the 1/4.......

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 09:52 PM

I didn't know you can cut .2 off a 60ft and gain a full sec in the 1/4.......

the difference between 2.3 and 2.2 is not a lot. the difference between 1.8 and 1.7 IS a lot though. and i said sub 2 seconds which would be more than .2 1/10ths.

cobalt9123

10-31-2007, 10:02 PM

He said it'd be beating the new srt-4's, he means the CALIBERS right? Cause if he means the new neon srt-4's this is news to me...

Shortbus

10-31-2007, 10:09 PM

I think everyone should stop nut swinging off this car.

05redline

10-31-2007, 11:37 PM

Stop bench racing.
Pot, meet kettle. Better yet, how about quit nut swinging of a car that has not even been put in production?

everyone knows turbos > superchargers in modding and speed.
Not when they have crap ass direct injection.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There is no cobalt with only Stage 2 putting down 270whp. Stage 2 does not mean a 2.6" pulley and HPT and bolt ons.

Maybe on some freak dyno that rates 20hp high. Besides what good is a stage 2 cobalt that can still only run 14.3 in the quarter. The SS/TC has modified suspension to mitigate wheel hop and torque steer.

I honestly couldn't care less whether the car came turbocharged or supercharged. I look at the overall package. The ss/tc runs circles around the ss/sc. The handling and stopping power is a huge improvement. Not to mention GM fixing axlehop and torque steer (I never thought torque steer could be fixed on FWD). I currently have a 2.2L, and see this as an oportunity to own a 13 second car from the factory, that handles like cars for 35-40K+, and is still cheap enough for me to afford, 25K or possibly less.
Fixing wheel hop and torque steer my ass. It's FWD, there's not much you can do to avoid it on street tires. Where did you hear that load of false info?

Brandon97Z

10-31-2007, 11:42 PM

Crap ass direct injection? Yeah your right being able to run higher compression and getting a better air/fuel mix is definatly a bad thing. Get the fuck out of here and go tell the GM engineers that. Maybe difficult to understand as far as performance and tuning goes but not crap ass. This whole fuckin thread is nut swingin. We've got LSJ nut swingers and LNF nut swingers. There's maybe 10% that aren't truely biased.

D4u2s0t

10-31-2007, 11:45 PM

05redline

10-31-2007, 11:46 PM

Brandon97Z

11-01-2007, 12:00 AM

How about you learn to read, and maybe you could comprehend what I quoted.

everyone knows turbos > superchargers in modding and speed.

touche i'll try and pull the foot out of my mouth. But once we(aftermarket) figure out to tune and build around it, it will be a great advancement.

most people that are going big f/i want to go with lower compression. isn't the lnf 9.2:1? and the lsj 9.5:1?

Yes perhaps they did it to allow more room to upgrade. But the Direct Injection is supposed to allow for higher compression to be run then say the same motor w/o DI.

Bika

11-01-2007, 12:02 AM

adding this forum so far in advance of the actual production of the car was a BAD IDEA.
:lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock:

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 12:06 AM

adding this forum so far in advance of the actual production of the car was a BAD IDEA.
:lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock: :lock:

X100000000000

D4u2s0t

11-01-2007, 12:24 AM

touche i'll try and pull the foot out of my mouth. But once we(aftermarket) figure out to tune and build around it, it will be a great advancement.

Yes perhaps they did it to allow more room to upgrade. But the Direct Injection is supposed to allow for higher compression to be run then say the same motor w/o DI.

maybe. i don't really know much about direct injection and how it affects performance and/or modding.

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 12:26 AM

maybe. i don't really know much about direct injection and how it affects performance and/or modding.

me either but if i had to guess i'd say it's another one of GM's fuckyouover products that won't let you mod at all...
I have a 07 2.2 and a lot of hate for the programmers of GM.
lol.

Onyxd04Redline

11-01-2007, 12:28 AM

me either but if i had to guess i'd say it's another one of GM's fuckyouover products that won't let you mod at all...
I have a 07 2.2 and a lot of hate for the programmers of GM.
lol.

Audi and Bmw use DI engines.

Gasoline direct injection or DI is a variant of fuel injection employed in modern two- and four- stroke petrol engines. The gasoline is highly pressurised, and injected via a common rail fuel line directly into the combustion chamber of each cylinder, as opposed to conventional multi-point fuel injection that happens in the intake tract, or cylinder port. DI enables stratified charge (ultra lean burn) combustion for improved fuel efficiency and emission levels at low load.

D4u2s0t

11-01-2007, 12:29 AM

from the little bit i know about it, it seems like it's not a bad move by gm. it seems like it's more efficient, burns cleaner, etc. just a bitch to tune :lol:

an0malous

11-01-2007, 12:38 AM

Easy there big guy, I was just going by the 14.1 that was quoted for the SS/T's 1/4 mile time.

if your saying its equal to a ss/sc S2, then your saying somehow that a ss/sc stage 2 is capable of only 14.1 or higher?
you know people have run 14.0 stock right?
sure, thats about what an average joe gets, but an ss/sc S2 is capable of getting a good ways into the 13s....

i personally dont see a pure stock LNF cobalt getting anything better than a few rare 13.9s

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 12:44 AM

If i had to get a SS/SC or an LNF for the money i'd probably get an SS/SC just for the torque. Plus i don't need a car as fast as the LNF, i'd be perfectly happy with a 14 second car. although i would be able to stop better with those brembos but who cares.

JRelly

11-01-2007, 12:44 AM

How about you learn to read, and maybe you could comprehend what I quoted.

everyone knows turbos > superchargers in modding and speed.

and why are turbos better for modding? becuase of turbo nutswingers. If there was as much attention put on suppercharged vehicles they would be just as easy to mod. It a simple concept called supply in demand why dont you people understand that:guns:

donjuaniii

11-01-2007, 12:47 AM

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 12:48 AM

most definately heavier...pretty sure.

donjuaniii

11-01-2007, 12:50 AM

And I'm hoping that the brake upgrade will be a simple swap ...?

SilverSS/SC

11-01-2007, 01:12 AM

If i had to get a SS/SC or an LNF for the money i'd probably get an SS/SC just for the torque. .

You mean the other way around . I dont know why people keep saying that , lol . Yes the LSJ in stock form is torquey for a 4 cyl , but.... have u looked at the LNF power band lately . If your talking stock for stock , and thats all Im reffering too ( to many variables otherwise ) , the SS/SC is a turdfest under 3500 rpms and the LNF is pushing 260@2000 rpms -5300 .

rukkee

11-01-2007, 02:07 AM

All we are going to see for the next 5 months are arguments. I wish the Lnf cobalt's would've just magically appeared one day on dealer's lots , no hype or bullshit speculation .

I mean really....... we already have people putting SS/TC into the high 10's with stage kits that don't exist yet.

Brandon97Z

11-01-2007, 06:47 AM

and why are turbos better for modding? becuase of turbo nutswingers. If there was as much attention put on suppercharged vehicles they would be just as easy to mod. It a simple concept called supply in demand why dont you people understand that:guns:

Because its easier to swap compresser housings or a turbo then it is to find a bigger blower. Look at the trouble they are going through with the twinscrew. They need adaptar plates and a few other machined parts which they have and they are still having trouble getting it right. Yes if there was more attention on superchargers there would be more of an abundence of them to choose but there's space issues, belt issues, etc.

hokman

11-01-2007, 06:59 AM

evo x is a lot slower than evo9, evo 9 was 4.6sec 0-60, 0-100 11.9, new one 5.0 and 13.4. A lot slower!!

But nothing in its class could match the cobalt turbo`s 160mph top speed....

Archie

11-01-2007, 01:21 PM

As far as handling and braking being better, From what I've seen so far is that the TC suspension will be the same (FE5) as the SC but the brakes should be a little better (fixed caliper Brembos in front and ventilated discs in back) ... it (the TC) maybe a little heavier ?

The suspension has been upgraded. The SS/SC has only been able to hit a max of about .85 lateral G's, the ss/tc has hit .9 lateral G's. GM also said they mitigated the torque steer and wheel hop, both done with suspension changes.

For those wondering, the SS/SC was weighed at 2936 and the SS/TC was weighed at 2976lbs, not enough difference to really notice.

Did anyone see the race GXP Solstice with the stage 2 package at SEMA? They rated it at 290hp and 305 torque.

Now we can bench race SS/SC stage 2 vs SS/TC stage 2!!!!!!!:lol: :lol:

cobyboy06

11-01-2007, 01:25 PM

Onyxd04Redline

11-01-2007, 01:42 PM

How about you learn to read, and maybe you could comprehend what I quoted.

everyone knows turbos > superchargers in modding and speed.

Tell that to all the mustang cobra guys that LOVE there kenne bell and whipple superchargers

JRelly

11-01-2007, 06:01 PM

Because its easier to swap compresser housings or a turbo then it is to find a bigger blower. Look at the trouble they are going through with the twinscrew. They need adaptar plates and a few other machined parts which they have and they are still having trouble getting it right. Yes if there was more attention on superchargers there would be more of an abundence of them to choose but there's space issues, belt issues, etc.

You do know there are different types of Superchargers right? Just becuase a couple companies are having trouble with their twinscrew projects that doesnt mean every company who tries to produce a new supercharger. Like Onyx said look at the cobra guys, they are making amazing power off of their S/Cs and love em. Please dont limit this discussion to roots superchargers, becuase yes roots superchargers are usually alot more limited compared to turbos but take a look at Centrifugal chargers. If we put the money into R&D for superchargers that has been put into turbos I guarrantee we would see more power out of them while stil keep the reliabilty of superchargers over turbos.

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 06:26 PM

You do know there are different types of Superchargers right? Just becuase a couple companies are having trouble with their twinscrew projects that doesnt mean every company who tries to produce a new supercharger. Like Onyx said look at the cobra guys, they are making amazing power off of their S/Cs and love em. Please dont limit this discussion to roots superchargers, becuase yes roots superchargers are usually alot more limited compared to turbos but take a look at Centrifugal chargers. If we put the money into R&D for superchargers that has been put into turbos I guarrantee we would see more power out of them while stil keep the reliabilty of chargers over turbos.

X5000,
Roots superchargers are actually one of the least wanted platforms for superchargers, most cars that come factory S/C have them though, dont' know why yet, centrifugal are more easily upgraded and cool down faster, whereas the roots style aren't and hold heat more.

R&C_rallySS

11-01-2007, 06:30 PM

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 06:37 PM

Such a good point. Thats exactly why I am no longer getting any more mods for hp. I have to get the powe I have no to the ground. We will see how I do and represent the SS/SC with my stage II car and DRs.

very true, even STOCK ss/sc's for the most part spin all the way through 1st, dam superchargers, haha.

Onyxd04Redline

11-01-2007, 06:44 PM

X5000,
Roots superchargers are actually one of the least wanted platforms for superchargers, most cars that come factory S/C have them though, dont' know why yet, centrifugal are more easily upgraded and cool down faster, whereas the roots style aren't and hold heat more.

Because they're very RELIABLE. 100K+ Miles without a rebuild. Plus they offer awesome off the line torque. Look at the GTP's. They were advertised to have 280lbs of torque but in reality it was 320+lbs stock with a good 250+pounds off idle.

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 07:04 PM

True but then that would depend if you're more for speed or more for life, although i wouldn't say centrifigals break down that often, my brother drove his GAGT with a vortec for 40,000 miles with no problems with the supercharger.

JRelly

11-01-2007, 07:07 PM

Because they're very RELIABLE. 100K+ Miles without a rebuild. Plus they offer awesome off the line torque. Look at the GTP's. They were advertised to have 280lbs of torque but in reality it was 320+lbs stock with a good 250+pounds off idle.

Thank you, I have been trying to tell everyone that. The Eaton and Superchargers in general are used for reliablity and a decent increase in power. Why cant people understand that:lol:

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 07:27 PM

Because they're very RELIABLE. 100K+ Miles without a rebuild. Plus they offer awesome off the line torque. Look at the GTP's. They were advertised to have 280lbs of torque but in reality it was 320+lbs stock with a good 250+pounds off idle.

also it would depend on what PSI you're running, a centrifugal can last as long as a roots depending on PSI..my bro's was still going strong at 40,000 and it wasn't a stock S/C, roots do last forever though..good point..cobra/lightning/ss/sc :twothumbs

leasklikasieve

11-01-2007, 07:45 PM

see my thing with 1/4 times are the simple fact i dont have a drag strip within 2 hours from my home. i own a awd turbo car now, and yes its a really nice to not spin through third. but i dont car if my car runs 13.2@ 102. i would rather spin a bit off the line and run a 13.6 @ 104. when you launch a awd car you run the chance of breaking stuff, and thus the reason i dont launch, its great for the snow but i cant say i really mind a fwd hp car. i like usable highway power.

cobalt9123

11-01-2007, 07:51 PM

Razor564

11-01-2007, 09:01 PM

still has to compete with the older srt-4's
Agreed, The evo 9 is faster than the evo x.

blackedbalt

11-02-2007, 05:01 PM

JRelly

11-02-2007, 05:38 PM

kenhebe

11-02-2007, 05:50 PM

Am I the only one on here who is happy that GM is not going to kill off the Cobalt SS, but is perfectly happy with my SS/SC?? The supercharger vs. turbocharger debate is one that has raged for years and I doubt it will be settled anytime soon. To be quite honest with you, I could care less if a TC SS ends up beating me. No matter what you do or how hard you try, somebody will always have a faster car than you. What is wrong with being happy with what you have and working to improve it as opposed to dumping it for the next best thing. Besides a supercharged SS is still a bit of a commmodity and that is why I like it. It is the world's only factory supercharged 2.0 liter. By the time the TC Cobalt comes out, the next generation Camaro won't be that much further out for release to the public. And that is what I am really waiting for.

its funny how when the rumors started for a t/c cobalt, a lot of the s/c people didnt think it would happen, and they would deny it.

now a t/c has come out, and everyone that is bashing the t/c are s/c owners..

and now people are bitching about that its not going to be "as fast" as i/well all think its going to be? what gives? you guys have been wrong so far, and well your gonna be wrong again, because i guarantee when the s/c cobalt came out, you didnt say "its slow", you said "its fast, its supercharged."

i guess youll just have to face it and a stock t/c cobalt beats a stage two cobalt s/c...

and not to rub it in, but there is a reason why they put a turbo on the car...there could be many reasons, but look at the garrett turbo kit for the ls, its the same amount of power claimed by gm (205), and its a turbo??

oh no that cant be, a turbo? no supercharger?

hmmmmm

How come the top classes in the NHRA such as the Top Fuel and Funny Car Division only use superchargers???

JRelly

11-02-2007, 05:50 PM

an0malous

11-02-2007, 06:07 PM

People who have no idea what they are talking about make me laugh:lol:

thats funny.

i was giggling a little after reading that one too.

Im curious how a car that (if its lucky) might see some 13.9s stock...is going to beat a car (S2) capable of 13.6?

TheCaptain

11-02-2007, 06:21 PM

Some people just have to keep up with the Jones'. They can never be happy with one thing, hard earned, well kept, respected for what it is. They, have to have the newest, fastest and best, because Bob and George across town have one. So what...

slvrcobaltscss

11-02-2007, 06:39 PM

I love my SS/SC, and I'm still bone stock...I really don't care that I'm not the fastest I can be. I'll get there when I have the money, but for now I love my car because it's the first car that I've purchased and have worked extremely hard to own and maintain. I love that fact that I can turn heads just by having a clean well kept car, I don't have to be going fast. supercharged or turbocharged?? who cares it's all forced induction to me

MaJ

11-02-2007, 06:42 PM

It's all personal preference. Who the hell is anyone question what another person wants to do with their money?

SilverSS/SC

11-02-2007, 06:56 PM

It's all personal preference. Who the hell is anyone question what another person wants to do with their money?

Seemingly almost everyone on the internet :lol: The turbo vs supercharger debates are getting tiresome ..... 1/2 this site needs to open up some books and do some learning so they know what their debating :lol:

Brandon97Z

11-02-2007, 07:18 PM

How come the top classes in the NHRA such as the Top Fuel and Funny Car Division only use superchargers???

Who cares what they use for V8's in the NHRA. Ever looked at a GM ecotec drag car? What do they use?

Pssssst I'll give you a hint it starts with a T.

Qwikness

11-02-2007, 08:20 PM

1/2 this site needs to open up some books and do some learning so they know what their debating :lol:

That would require alot of them to skip 3rd hour and gym class.

JKennedy1612

11-02-2007, 08:28 PM

The car lapped 8:22 on the Nurburgring track. That is DAMN impressive.

What you're all trying to convey here is that there will be HUGE aftermarket for the SSTC. The car by itself is impressive, but it also carries much more potential.

hokman

11-02-2007, 09:40 PM

its funny how when the rumors started for a t/c cobalt, a lot of the s/c people didnt think it would happen, and they would deny it.

now a t/c has come out, and everyone that is bashing the t/c are s/c owners..

and now people are bitching about that its not going to be "as fast" as i/well all think its going to be? what gives? you guys have been wrong so far, and well your gonna be wrong again, because i guarantee when the s/c cobalt came out, you didnt say "its slow", you said "its fast, its supercharged."

i guess youll just have to face it and a stock t/c cobalt beats a stage two cobalt s/c...

and not to rub it in, but there is a reason why they put a turbo on the car...there could be many reasons, but look at the garrett turbo kit for the ls, its the same amount of power claimed by gm (205), and its a turbo??

oh no that cant be, a turbo? no supercharger?

hmmmmm

This is perfectly natural, I've seen it too many times to count. When buyers have spent their hard earned cash on their beloved car and just few years later face a much improved version, they can do nothing but bash it and say no thanks and would keep their current car(of course they can't afford to not keep it). I sympathize with them, I would probably do the same.

nurbugring numbers look great, so does the flat foot shifting...but at the end of the day its a chevy, and it will break pre-maturely, and chevy's service department aint the best around to deal with neither...wish this thing was japanese!!!, also the solstice gxp was rated as one of the most unreliable sports cars, and now the coby has its engine ftl : (

coby go buy a mazdaspeed3.

SilverSurfer

11-03-2007, 03:06 PM

NJHK

11-03-2007, 03:15 PM

Why does everyone bring up the Nurburgring time like the people who are going to buy these cars are professional drivers?

I'm sure as hell some 17 year old kid wasn't the one driving around that track...

JKennedy1612

11-03-2007, 03:47 PM

NJHK

11-03-2007, 04:59 PM

Because it's an impressive time?

Possibly

But it's kind of like people running around saying "GM made a 1000 HP ECOTEC" while they drive around their Cobalt LT like it means anything in a real world situation.

JKennedy1612

11-03-2007, 07:22 PM

Possibly

But it's kind of like people running around saying "GM made a 1000 HP ECOTEC" while they drive around their Cobalt LT like it means anything in a real world situation.

I guess. Here's the comparison:

6:55 - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (28 Sep 2005)
7:11 - 172.065 km/h -- McLaren F1 (GTR?), Mika Hakkinen, www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zonda.html (* not an official source)
7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)
7:14 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 398 PS/760 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 11/05)
7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, de:Patrick Simon (sport auto 09/05)
7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 12/04)
7:28 - Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 650 PS/1230 kg (09/07)
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1380 kg, Walter Röhrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
7:32 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (Michael Duchting)
7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority, Autobild, driven by Walter Röhrl, complaining after the lap that he had to pass eleven other cars "Ich musste elf Autos ueberholen")
7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg (Gemballa)
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1140 kg (cold conditions), Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
7:38 - Nissan GT-R, 480PS/1720kg 26,600 Meter Timing September 2007
7.39* - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Röhrl
7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, 626PS/1768 kg Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001PS/1888 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06) sport auto 05/06)
7.42 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)[2]
7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05) (news release, pictures)
7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 - Jaguar XJ220, 3.5-litre V6, John Neilsen.
7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS (sport tyres) [citation needed]
7:47 - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano,620PS/1690 kg (sport auto)
7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear (sport tyres) (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 - Helmut Dähne, Honda VFR750R
7:50 - Fausto "Faustone" Severi RSV1000R vs GSXR1000 Dähne (SuperWheels's Pattuglia Acrobatica 2002)
7:50 - Westfield Megabusa, 180 PS/440 kg [citation needed]
7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine 750 bhp, Hans-Joachim Stuck (EVO magazine 08/2005)
7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:52 - Porsche 996 GT3 (381 hp) [citation needed]
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo [citation needed]
7:55 - Caterham R500 Superlight, 233 PS/460 kg, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:55 - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
7:56 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 405 bhp/3150 lbs
7:56 - Honda NSX-R (NA2), 280 PS/31kgm/1270 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 08/02)
7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo (sport auto 06/00)
7:56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (sport tyres) (sport auto 02/04)
7:57 - Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo (600 hp, racing suspension) [citation needed]
7:59 - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, Walter Röhrl, (WHEELS 06/04)
7:59 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, Dirk Schoysmans, unknown modifications (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:59 - Dodge Viper SRT-10 (11/05) Motor Trend
7:59 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51,405 PS/1481 kg, driver Dave Hill (manufacturer claim)
7:59 - Subaru Impreza Sti Spec-C (Prototype), 280 PS/1370 kg (Subaru News 2004 [4])
8:01 - Bugatti EB 110 Supersport, 610 PS/1410 kg [citation needed]
8:01 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, 280 PS/37.5 kgf·m/1540 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R33 GT-R])
8:02 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series, 507 PS/ 1790 kg (autobild 07/07)
8:03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005), 380 bhp/1570 kg (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 - Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:03 - Honda NSX-R (NA1), 280 PS/30 kgf·m/1230 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 02/06)
8:06 - Subaru WRX STi Spec-C prototype, 280 PS/42 kgf·m/1370 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring International video "NISMO Beast Unleashed")
8:07 - Ferrari 550 [citation needed]
8:07 - BMW Z8 E52, 400 PS/1615 kg (autobild.de 06/01)
8:09 - Lamborghini Diablo SV [citation needed]
8:09 - Ferrari 360 Modena [citation needed]
8:09 - BMW M6 E63 (sport tyres) [limited to 259 km/h] (sport auto 12/05)
8:09 - Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg, sport tires, suspension modification (sport auto 08/02)
8:10 - Chrysler Viper GTS (Sport Auto 10/97)
8:11 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype, 280 PS/40.8 kgf·m/1420 kg, Takayuki Kinoshita (Best Motoring International video "Carrera Invasion")
8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 hp version) [citation needed]
8:13 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 - Ferrari 355 GTB (Sport Auto 10/1994)
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2 [citation needed]

8:22 - Chevy Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo (Source GM)

8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf·m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 hp [citation needed]
8:24 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/99)
8:25 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/02)
8:26 - BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 306 hp (Sport Auto)
8:26 - Nissan 350Z (Sport Auto 10/03)
8:28 - Porsche 911 Carrera (993) (Sport Auto 07/97)
8:28 - BMW M5 E39 (previous model), 400 hp [citation needed]
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S (Sport Auto 12/99)
8.34 - BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One car, Nick Heidfeld, April 28 2007[1]
8:35 - BMW M3 E36 Coupe, 321 hp [citation needed]
8:36 - Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., Oct 2005), sport compact record holder
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG [citation needed]
8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - MazdaSpeed 3 Mark Ticehurst
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00)
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97) (Crash involving civilian later in the lap)
8:42 - Audi S4 265 hp [citation needed]
8:42 - Lotus Exige, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/00)
8:47 - Honda Civic Type-R (Sport Auto 11/01)
8:48 - Opel Corsa OPC, 192 HP/1203 kg, Manuel Reuter, supermini record
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe [citation needed]

NJHK

11-03-2007, 07:29 PM

I've seen the list

nimble

11-03-2007, 10:55 PM

Well, everything looks good on paper. I don't care if it's supercharged or turbo...260hp stock is damn gooooood! I came real close to getiin a 2006 ss supercharged. I wonder if the dealer knows when they will be available???:beer:

Archie

11-04-2007, 12:02 AM

Possibly

But it's kind of like people running around saying "GM made a 1000 HP ECOTEC" while they drive around their Cobalt LT like it means anything in a real world situation.

Not to argue or anything, but...:p: That really isn't quite the same thing.

A Cobalt SS/TC stock ran around Green Hell in 8:22. The Cobalt LT didn't come stock at 1000hp.

Sure the driver is one of the best drivers of all time, but the car is capable of that time by anyone. Of course 95% of the people out there can't do that, but it is possible.

Just a bad comparison, but I get what you mean. What people should understand is that, yes, the car has enormous potential, but that doesn't mean that everyone on the site would be able to run that time.

But yeah, people are quoting that too much now.

And yes, I just spent all that time typing this up when I reread and saw you type "kind of like".

Oh well... submit reply.;)

NJHK

11-04-2007, 12:03 AM

Not to argue or anything, but...:p: That really isn't quite the same thing.

A Cobalt SS/TC stock ran around Green Hell in 8:22. The Cobalt LT didn't come stock at 1000hp.

Sure the driver is one of the best drivers of all time, but the car is capable of that time by anyone. Of course 95% of the people out there can't do that, but it is possible.

Just a bad comparison, but I get what you mean. What people should understand is that, yes, the car has enormous potential, but that doesn't mean that everyone on the site would be able to run that time.

But yeah, people are quoting that too much now.

And yes, I just spent all that time typing this up when I reread and saw you type "kind of like".

Oh well... submit reply.;)

That was a biggest point right there. People are quoting it too much...waaay too much...just like the 1000 HP thing.

JKennedy1612

11-04-2007, 01:54 AM

MaJ

11-04-2007, 02:10 AM

It said the second quarter of 2008 which is anywhere from April-June

And according to my dealer, what it meant to say was FYQ2, which is anywhere from February-April.

JKennedy1612

11-04-2007, 04:40 AM

And according to my dealer, what it meant to say was FYQ2, which is anywhere from February-April.

Right on

SilverSS/SC

11-04-2007, 11:25 AM

Why does everyone bring up the Nurburgring time like the people who are going to buy these cars are professional drivers?...

I agree and disagree . It shows the handing capability of the car you can purchase . Most people will never exploit the full handling ability in the car . There might be a handfull of people on this site that would have the nutsack and skill to go full out around alot of those turns .

Whats more annoying to me is many are interpreting that 8.22 lap time , as this car is much faster than it really is in real world situations ....say stoplight to stoplight run or drag race situation . You will still get your ass handed to you bad by almost all those cars up in the 8.22 to 8.28 bracket in good ol fashioned street race .

Vetteman99

11-04-2007, 11:34 AM

yay now this will be the time i jump on getting a ss/sc cause everyone will be selling theres :)

NJHK

11-04-2007, 05:50 PM

I agree and disagree . It shows the handing capability of the car you can purchase . Most people will never exploit the full handling ability in the car . There might be a handfull of people on this site that would have the nutsack and skill to go full out around alot of those turns .

Whats more annoying to me is many are interpreting that 8.22 lap time , as this car is much faster than it really is in real world situations ....say stoplight to stoplight run or drag race situation . You will still get your ass handed to you bad by almost all those cars up in the 8.22 to 8.28 bracket in good ol fashioned street race .

I can agree with that.

cobyboy06

11-05-2007, 11:49 AM

FWD FTL, Tq Steer FTL, Being a true Chevy and breaking as bad or more as the SRT's will FTL
Straight line speed FTW, highway rolls FtW y01!1

Area47

11-05-2007, 12:18 PM

FWD FTL, Tq Steer FTL, Being a true Chevy and breaking as bad or more as the SRT's will FTL
Straight line speed FTW, highway rolls FtW y01!1

well thats a quality post. congrats.

BlueSS-supercharged

11-05-2007, 03:17 PM

^ lol thats what im sayin, jigga waaa?

Scythe_Snake

11-05-2007, 03:49 PM

nurbugring numbers look great, so does the flat foot shifting...but at the end of the day its a chevy, and it will break pre-maturely, and chevy's service department aint the best around to deal with neither...wish this thing was japanese!!!, also the solstice gxp was rated as one of the most unreliable sports cars, and now the coby has its engine ftl : (

Wow, I smell a troll. Japanese cars and American cars are just as good as each other. You're being an import-nut swinger. Open up your horizons and get past import vs domestic, you're one of those idiots who continues that ignorant fight. Shut up, get off a cobalt forum (btw its an american car) unless you have some to contribute or you wish to learn.

its funny how when the rumors started for a t/c cobalt, a lot of the s/c people didnt think it would happen, and they would deny it.

now a t/c has come out, and everyone that is bashing the t/c are s/c owners..

and now people are bitching about that its not going to be "as fast" as i/well all think its going to be? what gives? you guys have been wrong so far, and well your gonna be wrong again, because i guarantee when the s/c cobalt came out, you didnt say "its slow", you said "its fast, its supercharged."

i guess youll just have to face it and a stock t/c cobalt beats a stage two cobalt s/c...

and not to rub it in, but there is a reason why they put a turbo on the car...there could be many reasons, but look at the garrett turbo kit for the ls, its the same amount of power claimed by gm (205), and its a turbo??

oh no that cant be, a turbo? no supercharger?

hmmmmm

Wow, I never thought I would name call, but you and Archie are the biggest LNF nut swingers I have EVER seen, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You should be happy you're getting your LNF and shut up about it, and stop creating stupid threads.

BTW, I will say it again ITS NOT JUST S/C ONWERS! IT IS MANY 2.2L AND 2.4L OWNERS WHO ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS! STOP THINKING ITS JUST S/C OWNERS!!!

And honestly, I'm tired of this whole LNF thing, its making this site much less enjoyable to be on. Too many people hyping it up to be the greatest cars on the planet. It won't live up to its hype, bottom line. I haven't even driven my SS/SC yet, it is sitting at home with 3XX miles on it. I just got out of the 2.2L, and if I still had it I will be saying THE SAME THING. The LNF will be faster than the SS/SC, but not leaps and bounds as everyone is making it out to be. Get over it, and stop instigating this whole turbo vs SC thing.

FWD FTL, Tq Steer FTL, Being a true Chevy and breaking as bad or more as the SRT's will FTL
Straight line speed FTW, highway rolls FtW y01!1

I love how Civics and mazdas and nissans NEVER have any problems. I mean they're perfect cars that never have problems when you mod them, and you can just do anything you want to them, ya know. :rolleyes:

JKennedy1612

11-05-2007, 06:50 PM

Wow, I smell a troll. Japanese cars and American cars are just as good as each other. You're being an import-nut swinger. Open up your horizons and get past import vs domestic, you're one of those idiots who continues that ignorant fight. Shut up, get off a cobalt forum (btw its an american car) unless you have some to contribute or you wish to learn.

Wow, I never thought I would name call, but you and Archie are the biggest LNF nut swingers I have EVER seen, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You should be happy you're getting your LNF and shut up about it, and stop creating stupid threads.

BTW, I will say it again ITS NOT JUST S/C ONWERS! IT IS MANY 2.2L AND 2.4L OWNERS WHO ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS! STOP THINKING ITS JUST S/C OWNERS!!!

And honestly, I'm tired of this whole LNF thing, its making this site much less enjoyable to be on. Too many people hyping it up to be the greatest cars on the planet. It won't live up to its hype, bottom line. I haven't even driven my SS/SC yet, it is sitting at home with 3XX miles on it. I just got out of the 2.2L, and if I still had it I will be saying THE SAME THING. The LNF will be faster than the SS/SC, but not leaps and bounds as everyone is making it out to be. Get over it, and stop instigating this whole turbo vs SC thing.

I love how Civics and mazdas and nissans NEVER have any problems. I mean they're perfect cars that never have problems when you mod them, and you can just do anything you want to them, ya know. :rolleyes:

:lol: Just let them think whatever they want to. You can't argue with a retard.

Area47

11-05-2007, 07:11 PM

p.s. all my nissans never had one ounce of problems when i modded them.

zero zilch nadda zip

R&C_rallySS

11-05-2007, 07:16 PM

Mine did ^

blackedbalt

11-05-2007, 10:16 PM

yeah they had problems with nissans when people didnt knwo what they were doing :-/

hokman

11-06-2007, 02:59 AM

Wow, I smell a troll. Japanese cars and American cars are just as good as each other. You're being an import-nut swinger. Open up your horizons and get past import vs domestic, you're one of those idiots who continues that ignorant fight. Shut up, get off a cobalt forum (btw its an american car) unless you have some to contribute or you wish to learn.

Wow, I never thought I would name call, but you and Archie are the biggest LNF nut swingers I have EVER seen, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You should be happy you're getting your LNF and shut up about it, and stop creating stupid threads.

BTW, I will say it again ITS NOT JUST S/C ONWERS! IT IS MANY 2.2L AND 2.4L OWNERS WHO ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS! STOP THINKING ITS JUST S/C OWNERS!!!

And honestly, I'm tired of this whole LNF thing, its making this site much less enjoyable to be on. Too many people hyping it up to be the greatest cars on the planet. It won't live up to its hype, bottom line. I haven't even driven my SS/SC yet, it is sitting at home with 3XX miles on it. I just got out of the 2.2L, and if I still had it I will be saying THE SAME THING. The LNF will be faster than the SS/SC, but not leaps and bounds as everyone is making it out to be. Get over it, and stop instigating this whole turbo vs SC thing.

I love how Civics and mazdas and nissans NEVER have any problems. I mean they're perfect cars that never have problems when you mod them, and you can just do anything you want to them, ya know. :rolleyes:

Yea cobyboy is gay, tell him to go back to hondatech. Like mazda3 doesn't have any torquesteer so does srt4. I can assure you the cobalt turbo will have the least torque steer.

JKennedy1612

11-06-2007, 03:20 AM

Yea cobyboy is gay, tell him to go back to hondatech. Like mazda3 doesn't have any torquesteer so does srt4. I can assure you the cobalt turbo will have the least torque steer.

I love how all you guys claim to know everything when it's still speculation and hearsay. Stop pulling shit out of your ass when you have no basis/facts to back up your claims.

REIGN SS

11-06-2007, 03:28 AM

I love how all you guys claim to know everything when it's still speculation and hearsay. Stop pulling shit out of your ass when you have no basis/facts to back up your claims.

its call the internet :lol:

Spectral

11-06-2007, 03:30 AM

I love how all you guys claim to know everything when it's still speculation and hearsay. Stop pulling shit out of your ass when you have no basis/facts to back up your claims.

YOU MORON THEY CAN TIME TRAVEL THEY HAVE DRIVEN THE CAR!!!
god how dumb are you JKennedy.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 03:35 AM

YOU MORON THEY CAN TIME TRAVEL THEY HAVE DRIVEN THE CAR!!!
god how dumb are you JKennedy.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Not as dumb as your attempt at humor.

JKennedy1612

11-06-2007, 03:39 AM

Not as dumb as your attempt at humor.

http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/owned-subaru.JPG

JRelly

11-06-2007, 03:41 AM

http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/owned-subaru.JPG

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 03:41 AM

^^ZOMG, :lol: :lol:

Archie

11-06-2007, 03:43 AM

Wow, I smell a troll. Japanese cars and American cars are just as good as each other. You're being an import-nut swinger. Open up your horizons and get past import vs domestic, you're one of those idiots who continues that ignorant fight. Shut up, get off a cobalt forum (btw its an american car) unless you have some to contribute or you wish to learn.

Wow, I never thought I would name call, but you and Archie are the biggest LNF nut swingers I have EVER seen, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You should be happy you're getting your LNF and shut up about it, and stop creating stupid threads.

BTW, I will say it again ITS NOT JUST S/C ONWERS! IT IS MANY 2.2L AND 2.4L OWNERS WHO ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS! STOP THINKING ITS JUST S/C OWNERS!!!

And honestly, I'm tired of this whole LNF thing, its making this site much less enjoyable to be on. Too many people hyping it up to be the greatest cars on the planet. It won't live up to its hype, bottom line. I haven't even driven my SS/SC yet, it is sitting at home with 3XX miles on it. I just got out of the 2.2L, and if I still had it I will be saying THE SAME THING. The LNF will be faster than the SS/SC, but not leaps and bounds as everyone is making it out to be. Get over it, and stop instigating this whole turbo vs SC thing.

I love how Civics and mazdas and nissans NEVER have any problems. I mean they're perfect cars that never have problems when you mod them, and you can just do anything you want to them, ya know. :rolleyes:

HAHAHAHAHA:lol: If you noticed, I stopped posting about the LNF, because, well there isn't anything new to talk about. Also because people keep complaining about our enthusiasm. If you don't like it, stay out of the LNF threads. Period.

Another thing, I only made one thread on the LNF, and that was actually useful info on the K04 turbo that comes stock on the LNF. And the only reason I made that was to get everyone to stop asking what turbo it was.

Point out one thing that I made up. Every stat I posted was directly from the GM info.

:cssNET:

Archie

11-06-2007, 03:50 AM

Quick change of subject.

StinkBomb- How do you like Okinawa? My dad was born in Nagoya, and my grandfather was stationed in Okinawa for a long time during WWII.

Okay continue the e-fighting.

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 03:56 AM

Quick change of subject.

StinkBomb- How do you like Okinawa? My dad was born in Nagoya, and my grandfather was stationed in Okinawa for a long time during WWII.

Okay continue the e-fighting.

Okinawa.....all I can say about Okinawa is, and you can quote me on this, "Meh". It's a far cry from what I consider to be the greatest nation on the Earth, America. If you want to go into much detail about it just shoot me a PM or PM me for my AIM and I can give you the full run down.

Scythe_Snake

11-06-2007, 03:56 AM

HAHAHAHAHA:lol: If you noticed, I stopped posting about the LNF, because, well there isn't anything new to talk about. Also because people keep complaining about our enthusiasm. If you don't like it, stay out of the LNF threads. Period.

Another thing, I only made one thread on the LNF, and that was actually useful info on the K04 turbo that comes stock on the LNF. And the only reason I made that was to get everyone to stop asking what turbo it was.

Point out one thing that I made up. Every stat I posted was directly from the GM info.

:cssNET:

I wasn't going by your thread making, its just in every single LNF orientated thread you post enthusiastically about how great the LNF will be, which it will be a great engine.

Enthusiasm still needs to be in moderation, like everything else. Too much, or too little is a bad thing. And I don't post by going through the LNF threads, unless I am looking for something in particular, I post on the 'new posts' links on the right side of the home page. :lol: If it looks interesting, I look it up.

I'm not calling any of your stats or you a lier at all, from what I see I just think you're over estimating the LNF cobalt when you give your personal opinions on things, as well as your affinity for the LNF clouds your otherwise sound judgement, which I have seen from you in the past.

Anywho, sorry, I was out of place for what I said, forget I said it. I am not taking a shot at your credibility nor your helpfulness as a member. You're a cool guy and you'll be a cool turbocharged guy as well. :cssNET:

Spectral

11-06-2007, 04:03 AM

Not as dumb as your attempt at humor.

and not as dumb as your useless post that does absolutely nothing to the thread...it just makes your e dick a little bigger i take it? get a life.

Archie

11-06-2007, 04:03 AM

I wasn't going by your thread making, its just in every single LNF orientated thread you post enthusiastically about how great the LNF will be, which it will be a great engine.

Enthusiasm still needs to be in moderation, like everything else. Too much, or too little is a bad thing. And I don't post by going through the LNF threads, unless I am looking for something in particular, I post on the 'new posts' links on the right side of the home page. :lol: If it looks interesting, I look it up.

I'm not calling any of your stats or you a lier at all, from what I see I just think you're over estimating the LNF cobalt when you give your personal opinions on things, as well as your affinity for the LNF clouds your otherwise sound judgement, which I have seen from you in the past.

Anywho, sorry, I was out of place for what I said, forget I said it. I am not taking a shot at your credibility nor your helpfulness as a member. You're a cool guy and you'll be a cool turbocharged guy as well. :cssNET:

Its all good man. And yes, I agree I did get a bit out of hand during the first 2-3 days, but I think most of us have gone back to our normal, and most importantly, sane selves. Everyone was right who said, "It'll die down in a few weeks." Only it died down in just about 1 week.:lol:

And yeah, I do the New Posts tab at the top of the page too, most of the time.

StinkBomb, i'll hit you up to talk a bit later.

Spectral

11-06-2007, 04:48 AM

uh oh... someone got their feelers hurt.

What exactly did this post or the last post OR any of your posts ever contribute exactly???

and who the fuck are you?
you have 22 posts your useless wtf do you know? honestly man. are you just trying to start shit on a forum?
does it make you feel good that you can be a big talker online?
Grow up man. what are 15?? geez.

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 06:45 AM

and not as dumb as your useless post that does absolutely nothing to the thread...it just makes your e dick a little bigger i take it? get a life.

Nothing can make my e-dick any bigger, it's the biggest e-dick you've ever put in your e-mouth.

P.S.

You won't be buying an LNF Cobalt, just like you weren't going to LSJ swap your Rectum, just like you weren't going to buy an SS/SC, just like you weren't going to buy an STi, just like you weren't going to turbo your Rectum. You've changed future cars more than you've changed future underwear, please stop pretending you will buy cars that you can not afford just to feel cool and/or fit in.

M-Dub

11-06-2007, 06:50 AM

WOW, this thread deff. needs to just die already!

:lock: :lock: :lock: :lock:

Brandon97Z

11-06-2007, 07:06 AM

lol the last several posts made me laugh

MaJ

11-06-2007, 12:04 PM

and who the fuck are you?
you have 22 posts your useless wtf do you know? honestly man. are you just trying to start shit on a forum?
does it make you feel good that you can be a big talker online?
Grow up man. what are 15?? geez.

Keep digging.

rukkee

11-06-2007, 04:13 PM

Hahahahahahaha

Spectral you should change your name to Stink'sBITCH. He is owning your monkey ass.

Talking about names , do you have a white SS/TC sitting in the garage? Maybe you should change it to imaginaryWhiteSS/TCowner

06black

11-06-2007, 04:17 PM

Scythe_Snake

11-06-2007, 04:35 PM

Hahahahahahaha

Spectral you should change your name to Stink'sBITCH. He is owning your monkey ass.

That should be your name actually, get off his jock.

Talking about names , do you have a white SS/TC sitting in the garage? Maybe you should change it to imaginaryWhiteSS/TCowner
:lol: He doesn't answer this question. It was asked in another thread. :lol:

You've changed future cars more than you've changed future underwear, please stop pretending you will buy cars that you can not afford just to feel cool and/or fit in.

A lot of car enthusiasts do change their minds when they have their options open. They brainstorm, and flow with it. My best friend went through like 10 cars he wanted, because he likes them all and could see himself in anyone of them. There are many options out there, its the joy of being into cars, nothing wrong with changing future plans/cars at all. Taking shots at people's car...come on man, you're better than that. He has what he could afford and he is working with it. It takes balls to work with an Aveo. Major respect to him.

Brandon97Z

11-06-2007, 04:42 PM

It takes balls to work with an Aveo.

:lol: I thought the confiscate your balls when you buy an Aveo.

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 07:39 PM

you do know the new evo is slower then the (better) old version right???
no more 4g63, thats a sad, sad thing.

Tell me about, instead of an iron fully closed deck now you have an all aluminum semi-open deck. This could spell the end for big reliable power out of the Evo's, but you never know they could still have it right with 4B11. After all the EJ257 can handle 400's reliably on stock internals and it's all aluminum semi open deck.

This has actually happened to Mitsu before with the Evo 6 and Evo 9 IIRC. However I think the Evo X will be slower straight line, faster road course.

\A lot of car enthusiasts do change their minds when they have their options open. They brainstorm, and flow with it. My best friend went through like 10 cars he wanted, because he likes them all and could see himself in anyone of them. There are many options out there, its the joy of being into cars, nothing wrong with changing future plans/cars at all. Taking shots at people's car...come on man, you're better than that. He has what he could afford and he is working with it. It takes balls to work with an Aveo. Major respect to him.

Sorry Snake, but this guy strikes me as a band wagon rider. What ever will net the most cool points at the moment is where he's going. You see him as having cahones for rocking an Aveo, I see him as fishing for cool points, be it with claiming for various swaps or various cars. I call em like I see em, and this guy is a pretender.

:lol: I thought the confiscate your balls when you buy an Aveo.

X:lol: :lol:

Spectral

11-06-2007, 07:43 PM

StinkBOMB all you do is talk shit. Thats great that you think that but how bout you shut your over grown mouth and keep you stupid shit to yourself...theres no point in posting it in the forums.

Scythe_Snake

11-06-2007, 07:52 PM

:lol: I thought the confiscate your balls when you buy an Aveo.

Not when its all you can afford. Work with what you got, and enjoy your ride as a car enthusiast. If you had a 2.2L or a baseline Civic, wouldn't you work with it, if you know you had to stick with it for a while?

Sorry Snake, but this guy strikes me as a band wagon rider. What ever will net the most cool points at the moment is where he's going. You see him as having cahones for rocking an Aveo, I see him as fishing for cool points, be it with claiming for various swaps or various cars. I call em like I see em, and this guy is a pretender.

I get your opinion, but come on man, you're 99.9% of the time a very nice, helpful person from what I've seen, you've also helped me about a bunch of times! :cssNET: No need to fight over the ss-net, right? Give yourselves a headache when you could be e-humping various parts for your cars! :lol:

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 07:56 PM

StinkBOMB all you do is talk shit. Thats great that you think that but how bout you shut your over grown mouth and keep you stupid shit to yourself...theres no point in posting it in the forums.

Whooo, let me get into my e-bunker after that devastating retort. It's amazing that in the same post I can make an informative/speculative statement and make you look like the jack ass that you are at the same time. The post above you proves this nicely. I don't talk shit to everyone, just a select group of pretenders/mullet goons.

Spectral

11-06-2007, 08:01 PM

Whooo, let me get into my e-bunker after that devastating retort. It's amazing that in the same post I can make an informative/speculative statement and make you look like the jack ass that you are at the same time. The post above you proves this nicely. I don't talk shit to everyone, just a select group of pretenders/mullet goons.

What is your point of talking shit??? Does it make you feel better? Do you think its going to change anything? I mean seriously. If your just gonna be a prick dont reply to anything i say i dont need you opinion after all my posts.

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 08:05 PM

I get your opinion, but come on man, you're 99.9% of the time a very nice, helpful person from what I've seen, you've also helped me about a bunch of times! :cssNET: No need to fight over the ss-net, right? Give yourselves a headache when you could be e-humping various parts for your cars! :lol:

Damn you for appealing to my decency and using logic.:P You're making it very hard for me to continue to shine the spot light on a pretender, please no more using common sense and civility.

What is your point of talking shit??? Does it make you feel better? Do you think its going to change anything? I mean seriously. If your just gonna be a prick dont reply to anything i say i dont need you opinion after all my posts.

It gives me something to do, and I need to keep my pimp hand strong. While you may not need my opinion, I need to express it so we may be in a bit of a quandry here.

Spectral

11-06-2007, 08:09 PM

Find someone else then geez....theres plenty of morons on this site. you can find another.

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 08:23 PM

^^The nail that sticks out gets hammered.

Spectral

11-06-2007, 08:36 PM

only cuz you want it to stick out.

StinkBOMB

11-06-2007, 08:37 PM

^^A silent nail needs no hammering. Relax for a while Napoleon.

06black

11-07-2007, 01:57 AM

It's a name, wtf does it matter??? I plan on buying a White SS/TC when they come out.

I also own 2 other cars too, should I have made my name Z car/Subaru owner/FutureWhiteSS-TC???

Get off his jock??? Stop babying Spectral.

He runs his mouth and talks shit just like anybody, but can't handle it getting thrown back at him.

It takes a cooch to even recognize an Aveo as real car.

Wow, that car that isn't even out yet is slower??? Do you drive a delorean???

son i'd wach my fuckin mouth if i was you, your not even on my level.

and no smart ass, i dont drive a "delorean" but i've read the articles as well as driven one.

local to me is a company that delvers all the press cars to the auto mags. in said company i have many a friend, thus giving me access to several things. combine that with the fact i work for a for mentioned auto company thats REAL good at reverse engineering things.

Guess what! we gain access to our "mule" cars through that same company....funny how that works huh?

Spectral

11-07-2007, 02:12 AM

Please provide proof that the NEW EVO X is slower than the EVO IX then.

Read the articles???? What articles??? Are you mag racing????

You are so right lame! You are nowhere near the same level as me, you BeLOW ME!!!

If you expect to last on this site lil man you best watch what you fuckin say...ive seen maybe a 5 of your 25 or whatever posts you have that arent belittling someone or are just useless posts....shape up or your not gonna last.

06black

11-07-2007, 02:26 AM

Please provide proof that the NEW EVO X is slower than the EVO IX then.

Read the articles???? What articles??? Are you mag racing????

You are so right lame! You are nowhere near the same level as me, you BeLOW ME!!!

car and driver. pg84

they have a red car in the test and they also got a silver one that same day.

my buddy Jason drove the red one over and back from C&D

and gee, let me go ask them to bring it on over so i can film a race just to prove you wrong....sure....

and yea, i'm below you....:lol:

you tell me when you get a car worth my time. then be sure to let me know how that wastegate of mine sounds when i walk past you.

shit, you can even pick what car you wanna run. the cobalt or the Sti....they both run the same turbo.

enjoy.

MarcS

11-07-2007, 02:37 AM

This is over