I just want to know what it is with Motor Trend already. They love having sex with the Honda Motor Company. Now dont get me wrong i dont think the cobalt should be car of the year but come on. I cant remember the exact quote in the article but it said something like..." The i-Vtec felt like it could run at 10000 rpms all day long...sure you could run the Chevy Cobalt SS at 8500... Once"..... After i read that i was pissed off and just wanted to know if other people were too. Plus i thought the ecotec was a very good engine, supporting up to 300 hp on stock internals for a 4-banger sounds pretty good to me......maybe its not bulletproof or run at 10000 rpms all day but i dont think motortrend had a right to dis our cars or the Eco like that.

Just so its known i dont have anything against V-tecs. I like the New civic Si's as well as the Rsx type s's.

 

Wow I haven't read that yet, thats pretty dumb

I don't care how many RPM's Honda engines can turn, I could never stand driving a car that makes about the same torque as my lawnmower

 

if they really did say that then they are being biased and should be boycotted until they go under lol but seriously who the hell drives at 10k rpm all day long or 8500 or 6500 ... who? no one, you shift when you get to high rpms you dont sit there like an asshat and destroy your car on the highway or sit at a light with the engine at high rpms ... you look like a ******* doing something stupid like that and supporting driving like that is very un motor trendy friendly

 

That's BS i agree i don't think the SS should be car of the yeat but the f-ing honda is barely even out hasnt done anything cept be 50% of the population at sema and everyones calling it car of the year. We are stuck in a ***** situation in this world it's populated by 80% morons and most of them drive a honda so tough *****. Bring on the Honda RSX-S...i mean civic, we'll destroy it!

 

dude where did you read/hear that ... I cant find anything that says what you mentioned

 

A lot of these writers and editors only hold the cars THEY like up high on the car gods pillar...they seem to like the jap cars cuz they are cheap and efficient, true they are but since they only like the jap cars they wont dare spead good things about our cars because there american and to them, american=***** ...this pisses me off I think ill stick with Domestic driver ...sry had to vent a little

 

I don't care what they think about my car. The only honda that can keep up with me is an S2000 and I'll even smoke that......

 

yeah...civics are appetizers for us

 

I personally couldn't care less what a magazine says about anything...They're opinions generated by a group of highly sheltered individuals who do nothing all day but sit in cubicles and kiss each other's asses so they can get the next story...They never test drive the cars in real world scenarios anyhow, so how could they possibly fathom what the car would do on a street situation...Anything I've ever read has been out on open roads, and oddly enough, with little to no other traffic.

 

The Honda can rev at 10k all day because if you have one and want to keep up with a Cobalt you have to rev the **** out of it.

 

Those type of magazines dont **** me off in the least , lol . Their people with opinions , just like you and me . The only difference is that their opinions gets published . I have read in Motor Trend plenty of positive comments about the Cobalt SS too ( Disclaimer ....Im in no way shape or form defending them , m just being logical . Fact is , speed aside , it doesnt suit their driving style or preference , so why should they lie about their impressions . Further more , if you like your Cobalt it shouldnt bother you . I love my SS to death and you couldnt give me Honda Civic . But your kidding yourself if ya cant admit , the new Civic Si is a much more polished ride with a much smoother engine , a worlds better manual transmission , better chassis dynamics , higher quality interior materials ( certainly not better design ) . And as it should , its the little bro of the Acura RSX , which is part of a luxury division . Also , Honda is MUCH smaller company than GM ( count the models and divisions world wide between the 2 ) , and has has far more resources to put forth a upmarket small car and keep prices low .

I think GM hit a absolute homer with the Cobalt SS , and I know ALOT of GM and non-GM people alike that feel the same way . Let motortrend have their polished Honda's , I'll take the torque and my adequate enuff for me SS , happily

How much better would the Cobalt be if it were a twin to Cadillac equivelent ?

 

MT has complimented the SS more than once in the past. They don't hate our car.

 

Quality post, I agree with a lot of that. Although MT may have ragged on the Cobalt a little in the Civic article, they had an excellent review of the SS S/C when it first came out.

However, I don't think the engine redline RPM comparison was necessary at all. Who cares how high it revs?? The reason the Si's redline is so high is because its designed to be a peaky engine like every other Honda, hence the reason its freakin gutless below 6K RPM. Punch the gas in the Si at anything below VTEC and theres just nothing there. It needs that high redline to make all its power, whereas the SS S/C has power all over its rev range and therefore doesn't need to rev nearly as high.

As far as looks go, the Civic looks like a spaceship inside and out. Honda went all weird with the design for some reason, and frankly, I think its ugly - the SS looks 10x better. The Civic's interior is also ugly as sin, and not nearly as functional as the Cobalt's design.

The only thing the Si has going for it compared to the SS is the gearbox/shifter and interior material quality. Of course most people buy these kinds of cars with performance in mind, not to stroke the dash material. That being said, and I think most will agree, the SS S/C is the better choice for people looking foe the best overall package.

 

the funny thing about the 10k rpm note...

unless theyve done some MAJOR headwork to that motor since they pulled it over from the rsx...no one i know would run anything over 9200-9300 rpms and feel safe about it, gm has said this motor can rev to 7...and its funny that they said felt like you could run it there all day, truth of it is, you could run it to 10k once as well...asses

its all in what you DESIGN the engine to do, how you want it to go...i would have never expected a comment like that to pass by an editor

 

i just did a search and couldn't find that comments anywhere. but who knows. all this honda bashing is not needed tho. everyone that talks on a forum and modifies their car are car enthusiasts. so let's stop with the bashing. if MT thinks it's car of the year. then whoopy dooo!!! who cares. i know a lot of poeple that don't even pay attention to a damn thing that MT prints. so let's move on.

 

An Si will smoke a regular cobalt. The SS im sure i will give a run and of course SS S/C will smoke me untill i also have F/I. Sure most magizines i have read Sport compact, Motor Trend ect. Will say something good about a pos eclipse before a american car. But thats not the fault of ppl that drive honda's. So saying 80% of the "morons are the ones that drive civics." Envy brings out the name calling Sure i like Cobalts and the SS's are fast as hell. But i must say that im glad i bought the Si just for the fact i can give chevy a lil bit to get rid of any defects there are. And the thing about the S2000 being smoked by a S/C SS but being able to keep up is damn good. Cuz that motor is N/A running at 240 hp stock. I would like to see that out of the stock LS cobalt or SS 2.4 N/A. Sure the S2000 is 30K or what not but you still get that 100,000 mile warranty lol. Any way Bashing Honda is retarded. have fun

 

wow who cares what rpm a motor revs at all that matters is how much power it can put down some older muscle cars redline at about 5000-5500 rpms but they also put down alot more hp than a civic even if it can rev to 10k.

 

Motor Trend doesn't like GM. I just read an article that placed the Ford GT higher than the new Z06, despite the fact they had more complaints about it than the Z06. If you want a good comparison, don't read Moter Trend.

I agree with Wesmanw02 and SilverSS/SC. They just state there opinion, whethers it's biased or not it is what they believe.

 

why is everyone getting worked up on 1 article that a biased magazine wrote?

 

the only thing i have against honda is the drivers, other than that they are good cars, but i would never own one. I have no real good information to back it up it just observation...i mean the civic coupe with ac and a cd player will cost you 15,000 dollars and those two items are standard on the base cobalt coupe which i got for 13,000. The cobalt coupe has 145 hp and 155 torque. The 06 civic final got some guts and has 140 hp but still a piddily 128 ftlbs of torque. As far as reliability goes i have never heard of a single problem with the base cobalts all of the problems have been related to the SS or to electronic windows, locks, or sunroof. The cobalt coupe is the best bang for the buck out their right now, I bought one and my parents bought one, when you add the car payment to gether it is still less than the car payment on our 30,000 dollar escape. Also i average 40 mpg on the high way I would not trade my cobalt for a civic even a civic si.

Oh and why on earth do non cobalt owners join a site called COBALTSS.NET?
I dont go and post on civic forums, i don't even post on FEOA.net anmore (ford escort owners association) even though i used to own one. I think the reall thing is that the tunner market is getting scared by the american enterance ie. Cobalts and Neons. American car companies know a little something something about making cars they have been making them longer than japan has thats for sure!

 

Why doesn't someonewrite a letter or send someone an e-mail to motrotrend??? Look, I love my SS but, it is like electronics I used to sell at tweeter, everyone blows sony and bose(Honda) because they are popular and they make a decent product. But is there better? ABSOLUTLY!!! But if I told a Sony fan that A samsung was just as good as Sony people would (did) look at me like I was talkin **** on there first born. It is just how it is . But I agree that my SS is far better than my 2000 Si and I think the new Si is nice looking but is it that much better than ours?????? no. The only thing I don't like in our cars in the plastic dash and door panels. My old honda had soft leather-like material.

 

Who wants to start an auto magazine that praises american automakers w/ me? lol!

 

I don't even let those magazine articles bother me anymore. They are all asshats and are all biased. I just don't take offense to it anymore. The cobalt ss/sc is the car I bought. In my review, it's the car of the year in my eyes. I could give 2 ***** about what any magazine thinks. As long as my car is fast, I will be very happy

 

yea i think ive seen what your talking about.. motor trend and alot of other magazines tend to be very japanese biased....they said that the rsx was the most expensive and yet the slowest car of the bunch but they just can't get over the 10,000 rpm motor. its not even the type-s....for less money i would take the cobalt in a heartbeat.

 

My lugnuts require more torque than that Honda makes...