http://tunersource.gmblogs.com/blog/archive/2008/01/25/drifting-into-2008

In race tune, the Solstice GXP is going to make 330 horses, yet 425 pound/feet. This screams of the turbo being sized for optimum throttle response and little else.

So, who all makes oversized dual-scroll turbos for this thing...?.(with ceramic ball bearings) :)

good find shab...

Nice find, that power/torque is amazing.

425tq? That would be rediculous in a FWD DD car

425tq? That would be rediculous in a FWD DD car


But for shredding tires in a Solstice, it'd be perfect.

damn, gotta love tq

That's on the stock turbo??

That's on the stock turbo??

supposedly....go to the site above...all its says is there's a tune, catless dp, and 3" exhaust.....

Hopefully they put some good injectors in the dam thing this time so you can boost it up and not run out of injectors. I defiantly want to drive one soon.

Hopefully they put some good injectors in the dam thing this time so you can boost it up and not run out of injectors. I defiantly want to drive one soon.

injector swap's arent possible on the direct injection system that bosch uses..

Naw man you guys were right. The Caliber SRT-4 is gonna whomp on the new LNF :rolleyes:

what transmission are they using?

if you look at the car that has been travelling the country. there is dick for room for turbo upgrades.

"We made a couple changes in the engine calibration, removed the catalytic converter, and installed a free-flowing 3-inch exhaust. While we may not pass government emissions testing, or meet the longevity requirements for the GM Powertrain warranty, we were able to get 330 horsepower and 425 ft-lbs of torque (those ECOtecs are torque-monsters!) from the production engine. "

WOW!

Naw man you guys were right. The Caliber SRT-4 is gonna whomp on the new LNF :rolleyes:

it absolutely is :lol: no stage kits for the cobalt, maxed out tranny, a complete bitch to tune. it will be great in stock form, and that's about it.

what transmission are they using?

f35 tranny in the new cobalt. rated for a max torque of 258, comes with 260 from the factory. i have a serious feeling this car is not going to be upgraded without some serious work first.

it absolutely is :lol: no stage kits for the cobalt, maxed out tranny, a complete bitch to tune. it will be great in stock form, and that's about it.



f35 tranny in the new cobalt. rated for a max torque of 258, comes with 260 from the factory. i have a serious feeling this car is not going to be upgraded without some serious work first.

you're in for a huge suprise.

you're in for a huge suprise.

:lol:

thats some great torque ha ha its nice to see the engine makes some power

425tq? That would be rediculous in a FWD DD car

It dont have no wheel hop stock but with that much tq gunna break axles :lol:

you're in for a huge suprise.

i hope i am. as of now everything i'm finding doesn't look to promising, but i hope i'm looking in the wrong places and am totally proven wrong. this car looks like a HUGE step forward for gm's sport compact car, as long as it's upgradeable. but all the things i'm finding are seeming to prove otherwise at this point.

i'm being serious now, what do you think will be possible with this car, and tell me where i'm wrong. maxed out tranny from the factory, yea it's probably conservative #'s, but still what do you do about that to hold more power? the direct injection seems like it's an asbolute bitch to tune, and many guys are still having problems tuning the lnf. shitloads of gm reps, and gm higher ups are saying that not stage kits will be released. granted, they've been known to be wrong before, and i'm sure eventually aftermarket companies will step up.

i really hope this car will live up to the hype, i think it would kick ass if it did. i'm just not hearing anything promising as far as upgrading at this point.

Naw man you guys were right. The Caliber SRT-4 is gonna whomp on the new LNF :rolleyes:

330hp? Wow.. SRT4 has already been there and did that. Wake me up when your godly LNF shows up Alpha.

330hp? Wow.. SRT4 has already been there and did that. Wake me up when your godly LNF shows up Alpha.

Did you overlook the 425 pound/feet? AGAIN, I say to you, if an engine is capable of 330 horses and 425 pound/feet on a turbo, the turbo is SIZED WRONG.

Im going to wait to test drive it myself, and have a good chance to look at it before I say anything about it....

Did you overlook the 425 pound/feet? AGAIN, I say to you, if an engine is capable of 330 horses and 425 pound/feet on a turbo, the turbo is SIZED WRONG.

Did they post a dyno to prove this? Also was this on C16?

it absolutely is :lol: no stage kits for the cobalt, maxed out tranny, a complete bitch to tune. it will be great in stock form, and that's about it.



f35 tranny in the new cobalt. rated for a max torque of 258, comes with 260 from the factory. i have a serious feeling this car is not going to be upgraded without some serious work first.

You have no idea what your talking about.

330hp? Wow.. SRT4 has already been there and did that. Wake me up when your godly LNF shows up Alpha.

Wake me up when you stop talking our your ass.

Did everyone forget about this part of the article?
We made a couple changes in the engine calibration, removed the catalytic converter, and installed a free-flowing 3-inch exhaust. While we may not pass government emissions testing, or meet the longevity requirements for the GM Powertrain warranty, we were able to get 330 horsepower and 425 ft-lbs of torque (those ECOtecs are torque-monsters!) from the production engine.

Sure thats a lot of power but the lack of warranty is what scares me. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not in a position to pay out of pocket to fix any problems what would be covered under warranty.

warranty, wtf is a warranty? I know of no such mythical beast.
and til they figure out all the issues with the LNF, I'll keep messin around with my SS/TC that I built myself.... 400whp should be here come spring time.

If I ever do go turbo itd deffinitly be on my motor vs a whole new car. Cheaper, and more power yielding...

On a stock turbo in a solstice. You dont see much over 300whp on the k04, it just runs out of breath. You can bolt on any t3/4 flanged turbo with an adapter, but the tuning software isn't quite there yet. Factory wideband self-adjusts AFR.

http://www.sticko.com/i/a/7776

That's around 310hp and 355tq on a dynojet. Notice where horsepower peaks at 5000rpm. That shows how undersized this turbo is, it runs out of breath (22 psi peak on this run). Bolt on a gt3071 or 3571, raise the limiter to 7000 rpms, throw in some significant valve springs, set to 20 psi and call it a day. 400 whp without breaking a sweat. Like I said though, the tuning just isnt there yet.

You have no idea what your talking about.
.

care to explain? i could be totally wrong, but the info i find proves otherwise. what was wrong? the tranny does show a max torque rating of 258, i can post a link if you want. gm reps have stated that there will be no stage kits. so what was wrong? keep in mind that the solstice/redline has a different tranny.

The internals should be able to handle 400whp. The fuel system will be able to fuel enough for 500whp+

The ECU is the holdback to making serious power with this platform.

The fuel system will be able to fuel enough for 500whp+

The ECU is the holdback to making serious power with this platform.

^^^

This is a smart man right here

have fun trying to squeeze a bigger turbo on the lnf ss

:)

care to explain? i could be totally wrong, but the info i find proves otherwise. what was wrong? the tranny does show a max torque rating of 258, i can post a link if you want. gm reps have stated that there will be no stage kits. so what was wrong?

My Info > Your info

Everything you said above is wrong.

My Info > Your info

Everything you said above is wrong.

ok, see that's not an explanation. when you say "everything" is wrong, what does that mean? about the stage kits? or the maxed out tranny? how is that wrong. please elaborate. i'm not trying to be funny, i just can't find too many promising things, and "My info > your info" doesn't help me learn anything :lol:

Naw man you guys were right. The Caliber SRT-4 is gonna whomp on the new LNF :rolleyes:

Hahaha actually it is, the LNF is nice, but i dont think it can hang mod for mod at all.......stage 3 turbo in the srt-4 restricted by exhaust and tuning.

Injectors/tune/intake/catless dp and you got yourself a 12 second caliber trapping 115+, Daryl Cox and JMB both have got mid 12 second Calibers with probably less then a grand into them and its the stuff i mentioned above. The LNF has no chance, did i mention this is on 21psi, that turbo is good for 26-27psi? Just an air filter in the new SRT-4 nets like 15whp....

You my man are wrong, i have spoke with Justin at JMB about them and he knows that motor inside and out, i will be purchasing one here in mid summer......BTW JMB owns an LNF sky, with ic piping, fmic, dp, exhaust, tune, and he said the turbo runs out of breath and the tranny wouldnt be able to take alot of abuse at the track in that car, but he did say the direct injection is awesome and the car has endless capabilities for making power....

Hahaha actually it is, the LNF is nice, but i dont think it can hang mod for mod at all.......stage 3 turbo in the srt-4 restricted by exhaust and tuning.

Injectors/tune/intake/catless dp and you got yourself a 12 second caliber trapping 115+, Daryl Cox and JMB both have got mid 12 second Calibers with probably less then a grand into them and its the stuff i mentioned above.

better check your sources better bc if you search on srtforums the daryl cox caliber that runs mid 12's also has a stroker kit and an auto. tranny that dc built and put in...there's also a thread about that caliber on here and if you use search you'll pull up the thread which has links that i attached in it.....

Hahaha actually it is, the LNF is nice, but i dont think it can hang mod for mod at all.......stage 3 turbo in the srt-4 restricted by exhaust and tuning.

Injectors/tune/intake/catless dp and you got yourself a 12 second caliber trapping 115+, Daryl Cox and JMB both have got mid 12 second Calibers with probably less then a grand into them and its the stuff i mentioned above. The LNF has no chance, did i mention this is on 21psi, that turbo is good for 26-27psi? Just an air filter in the new SRT-4 nets like 15whp....

You my man are wrong, i have spoke with Justin at JMB about them and he knows that motor inside and out, i will be purchasing one here in mid summer......BTW JMB owns an LNF sky, with ic piping, fmic, dp, exhaust, tune, and he said the turbo runs out of breath and the tranny wouldnt be able to take alot of abuse at the track in that car, but he did say the direct injection is awesome and the car has endless capabilities for making power....

You can think what you want dude, thats the great thing about america. :guns:

Just make sure you know who your talking to before you make yourself sound as ignorant as you are making yourself seem.

You can think what you want dude, thats the great thing about america. :guns:

Just make sure you know who your talking to before you make yourself sound as ignorant as you are making yourself seem.

wtf? again. why do you keep doing this? instead of just saying he's wrong, why not point out WHY he's wrong. you have high hopes for this car, can you just expalin why? and explain why what i said and what the above poster said is wrong?

*cause he's bluffing* lol

better check your sources better bc if you search on srtforums the daryl cox caliber that runs mid 12's also has a stroker kit and an auto. tranny that dc built and put in...there's also a thread about that caliber on here and if you use search you'll pull up the thread which has links that i attached in it.....


O'rly?? Hmmmm i dont think so, the first one he did 2-3 months ago was running injectors/tune/intake/exhaust and slicks ran a 12.4@118, made 330whp/390wtq, you need to re-check your sources, saw dyno vids of it, are city has some of the fastest SRT-4's in the U.S. rolling around, so i dont need to re-check my sources, hahaha fuck the shitty ass LNF cars, GM always makes crappy tuner cars. Wow direct fuel injection is all it has going for it, look at the competition the cobalt will have, it wont stand a chance in a straight line. The tranny is shit, the internals are shit. The Cobalt has shitty aftermarket support.....I cant wait to get rid of my POS car and get away from these forums.:lol:
1.WRX-way more aftermarket support
2.Ralliart Lancer- Evo Motor w/smaller turbo/exhaust
3.Mazdaspeed 3-minimal mods get it in the 12's
4.Caliber srt-4- stage 3 turbo from factory restricted by parts.

12's are mear bolt ons away

I agree chevy seems to f-up sometimes when it's really hard to do so but I love my 'balt and dont have the moola for a wrx or lancer or really a mazdaspeed so...this is kinda what you get for this money I guess. :(

Alpha all you have done in this post is tell people they are dumb or wrong yet you have no proof to back yourself up. Why dont you do us all a favor and prove to everyone why they are wrong. I could really careless about how fast or slow the LNF is so dont think that I doubt what it can or can not do. I just think you should atleast tell people why they are wrong rather than just say ,"nope your wrong".

You can think what you want dude, thats the great thing about america. :guns:

Just make sure you know who your talking to before you make yourself sound as ignorant as you are making yourself seem.



Please explain why the SS/TC is going to be so good besides the Direct Fuel Injection, It has a weak ass turbo, weak ass tranny, weak ass internals, weak axles. Why is this car soooooo good in your eyes? It just handles well, and i cant wait to see the problems this no-lift shift crap has down the road. The cars it has to go up against will make it bow-down in a straight line and mod for mod. I like my s/c car and GM was unique with this setup, thats why i bought my RL, but now with the new turbo setup i think they will fail cause this is their first attempt at it on the Cobalt. Other companys have already been doing it.

I agree chevy seems to f-up sometimes when it's really hard to do so but I love my 'balt and dont have the moola for a wrx or lancer or really a mazdaspeed so...this is kinda what you get for this money I guess. :(


Actually i heard the new Ralliart Lancer is only going to be like 24k w/o options like recaros etc...But that is what the rumor was. It could be more or less and yes i do agree the Balt is a great money saver, but now the comp is so tight knit that all the car prices are around each other in the tuner market.

Car companies these days are making cars that are maxed out from the factory so that if you want to do any mods you will lose the warranty. It makes business sense. ($$$$)

^^^ it also makes companies go out of business when the consumer finds that out ;) (especially if it's a car "designed" for tuners)

O'rly?? Hmmmm i dont think so, the first one he did 2-3 months ago was running injectors/tune/intake/exhaust and slicks ran a 12.4@118, made 330whp/390wtq, you need to re-check your sources, saw dyno vids of it, are city has some of the fastest SRT-4's in the U.S. rolling around, so i dont need to re-check my sources, hahaha fuck the shitty ass LNF cars, GM always makes crappy tuner cars. Wow direct fuel injection is all it has going for it, look at the competition the cobalt will have, it wont stand a chance in a straight line. The tranny is shit, the internals are shit. The Cobalt has shitty aftermarket support.....I cant wait to get rid of my POS car and get away from these forums.:lol:
1.WRX-way more aftermarket support
2.Ralliart Lancer- Evo Motor w/smaller turbo/exhaust
3.Mazdaspeed 3-minimal mods get it in the 12's
4.Caliber srt-4- stage 3 turbo from factory restricted by parts.



Did u not read about the guy who got up to a 300 shot before the motor blew. I know the turbo is maxxed from the factory just look at the dyno charts. Gm is on the bottom of the tuner friendly list

Did u not read about the guy who got up to a 300 shot before the motor blew. I know the turbo is maxxed from the factory just look at the dyno charts. Gm is on the bottom of the tuner friendly list

am I the only one cornfused by this post?

Alpha all you have done in this post is tell people they are dumb or wrong yet you have no proof to back yourself up. Why dont you do us all a favor and prove to everyone why they are wrong. I could really careless about how fast or slow the LNF is so dont think that I doubt what it can or can not do. I just think you should atleast tell people why they are wrong rather than just say ,"nope your wrong".


Honestly, I have nothing to prove so I could give a rats ass to prove anybody right or wrong.

I'll let the LNF speak for itself when HPT supports it.

Please explain why the SS/TC is going to be so good besides the Direct Fuel Injection, It has a weak ass turbo, weak ass tranny, weak ass internals, weak axles. Why is this car soooooo good in your eyes? It just handles well, and i cant wait to see the problems this no-lift shift crap has down the road. The cars it has to go up against will make it bow-down in a straight line and mod for mod. I like my s/c car and GM was unique with this setup, thats why i bought my RL, but now with the new turbo setup i think they will fail cause this is their first attempt at it on the Cobalt. Other companys have already been doing it.

Your right it sucks. Don't buy it.

Car companies these days are making cars that are maxed out from the factory so that if you want to do any mods you will lose the warranty. It makes business sense. ($$$$)

lol, that is SOOO not what they do

Did u not read about the guy who got up to a 300 shot before the motor blew. I know the turbo is maxxed from the factory just look at the dyno charts. Gm is on the bottom of the tuner friendly list

Name me 1 company beside GM that puts out build books to build your motor, lets you have hands on experience with the engineers that built your motor at various events across the country and has email support that will answer whatever questions you have about your motor.

Go ahead, name 1...

O'rly?? Hmmmm i dont think so, the first one he did 2-3 months ago was running injectors/tune/intake/exhaust and slicks ran a 12.4@118, made 330whp/390wtq, you need to re-check your sources, saw dyno vids of it, are city has some of the fastest SRT-4's in the U.S. rolling around, so i dont need to re-check my sources, hahaha fuck the shitty ass LNF cars, GM always makes crappy tuner cars. Wow direct fuel injection is all it has going for it, look at the competition the cobalt will have, it wont stand a chance in a straight line. The tranny is shit, the internals are shit. The Cobalt has shitty aftermarket support.....I cant wait to get rid of my POS car and get away from these forums.:lol:
1.WRX-way more aftermarket support
2.Ralliart Lancer- Evo Motor w/smaller turbo/exhaust
3.Mazdaspeed 3-minimal mods get it in the 12's
4.Caliber srt-4- stage 3 turbo from factory restricted by parts.

first i didnt say anything about the lnf in my response all i said was U R WRONG ABOUT THE Calibers mods which u r

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91434&highlight=caliber+runs&page=2

read my post on that page one of those attached links has the mods for the red sled in there and it shows a 2.6l stroker and an auto tranny......

Honestly, I have nothing to prove so I could give a rats ass to prove anybody right or wrong.

I'll let the LNF speak for itself when HPT supports it.



Your right it sucks. Don't buy it.



lol, that is SOOO not what they do



Name me 1 company beside GM that puts out build books to build your motor, lets you have hands on experience with the engineers that built your motor at various events across the country and has email support that will answer whatever questions you have about your motor.

Go ahead, name 1...



I agree with your last comment. GM does provide all these avenues for information but one thing still applies; If they find out that your car has been modified and is no longer stock and modded with their products, your warranty is void. They even have some products they offer themselves that void your warranty. (stage 3 kit).



In the quest for power, warranties will be voided!!!

Honestly, I have nothing to prove so I could give a rats ass to prove anybody right or wrong.

I'll let the LNF speak for itself when HPT supports it.

Then why are you defending it left and right if you dont care? In my eyes you look very foolish telling everyone they are wrong when you have yet to give anyone any proof that makes them wrong. I dont doubt what the LNF may or may not do like I said before, but I am not about to start saying it will be great or it will suck because well its not out and I havent driven it yet....

Why would you want a caliber who cares how fast they are they are worse looking than a civic hatch

Then why are you defending it left and right if you dont care? In my eyes you look very foolish telling everyone they are wrong when you have yet to give anyone any proof that makes them wrong. I dont doubt what the LNF may or may not do like I said before, but I am not about to start saying it will be great or it will suck because well its not out and I havent driven it yet....

I don't care about proving things to make me look "cool" or whatever. I have stickers on my car for god sake!

I care about people bashing a car they have never driven, touched, looked at or know anything about other than reading what a gm website or pdf they found on google says about rated transmission torque.

I agree with your last comment. GM does provide all these avenues for information but one thing still applies; If they find out that your car has been modified and is no longer stock and modded with their products, your warranty is void. They even have some products they offer themselves that void your warranty. (stage 3 kit).



In the quest for power, warranties will be voided!!!

like the stg 3 srt kit?

one.. internals aren't shit.. hell everyone said the internals on the lsj sucked balls.. but look at people running turbo'd balts now.. well over 300 whp... the 2.4L internals arne't as good as the lsj and they can handle past 400 hp...

tranny shit? no.. clutch yes.. the clutches blow in these cars.. but if the trannies are maxed out at 260 then explain how so many people on here are running over that and don't have a problem... yes there have been issues with syncros and stuff the trannies aren't perfect and by no means are shit...

the after market support really sin't shitty.. you want bad aftermarket suport.. look at the old saturn s series cars.. just about everything custom, that is shitty support..

once everything gets worked out with the lnf it will be a monster no doubt however right now tuning is killing it as well as the small turbo.. just give it time.. there is already 3 or 4 cars that are running the lnf with 2 more on the horizon.. that'll open up more possibilities for turbo swaps for balts as well as more upgrades for the lnf.. people need to use their brain a bit more..

the lnf isn't going to suck.. it's a good bang for the buck for sure.. and with 1500 in mods or less will be a good 12 second car people need to stop worrying about whats not out yet and let it speak for itself once it hits the road

one.. internals aren't shit.. hell everyone said the internals on the lsj sucked balls.. but look at people running turbo'd balts now.. well over 300 whp... the 2.4L internals arne't as good as the lsj and they can handle past 400 hp...

tranny shit? no.. clutch yes.. the clutches blow in these cars.. but if the trannies are maxed out at 260 then explain how so many people on here are running over that and don't have a problem... yes there have been issues with syncros and stuff the trannies aren't perfect and by no means are shit...



Thank you :) . I silently laught at all the brittle shorblock and tranny comments ....hehehe

Thank you :) . I silently laught at all the brittle shorblock and tranny comments ....hehehe

your welcome :D seriously a little searching on this site proves a bunch of the comments wrong..

seriously a little searching on this site proves a bunch of the comments wrong..

...not to mention a little real world expririence . Going off documents and all the dumb mistakes people make with this car would I guess lead anyone to believe the ecotec and f35 are fragile little flowers :D

...not to mention a little real world expririence . Going off documents and all the dumb mistakes people make with this car would I guess lead anyone to believe the ecotec and f35 are fragile little flowers :D

haha

i just can't wait for my boost project to be underway.. just need to find tuning mUHAHAHAH my car > ss/tc regardless but still people need to stop talking out their ass lol

well can someone point us in the right direction to find out all this magical info? i saw a fully bolted tuned redline put down 205hp. exhaust intake and charge pipes put down about 230 whp. several people have put down 205 whp stock. exhaust, intercooler, tune, and intake put down 250whp. one of the supporting vendors squeezed out 275 hp. the car seems VERY inconsistant, stock can range anywhere from 205 whp to 230whp. some people dyno LESS than stock after modding.

this is where i'm getting my info from, not just pulling it out of my ass. maybe i'm just looking on the wrong lnf forums, so if i am, please point me in the right direction. but i'm sorry, for a car that's been out for a few years i didn't see a single impressive HP #'s, although they do put out a good amount of torque. but i don't find fully bolted cars putting down 205whp to be all that impressive.

well can someone point us in the right direction to find out all this magical info? i saw a fully bolted tuned redline put down 205hp. exhaust intake and charge pipes put down about 230 whp. several people have put down 205 whp stock. exhaust, intercooler, tune, and intake put down 250whp. one of the supporting vendors squeezed out 275 hp. the car seems VERY inconsistant, stock can range anywhere from 205 whp to 230whp. some people dyno LESS than stock after modding.

this is where i'm getting my info from, not just pulling it out of my ass. maybe i'm just looking on the wrong lnf forums, so if i am, please point me in the right direction. but i'm sorry, for a car that's been out for a few years i didn't see a single impressive HP #'s, although they do put out a good amount of torque. but i don't find fully bolted cars putting down 205whp to be all that impressive.

Where are you getting your info from? You might wanna check your rear end...
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/features/news/6697757/0609_c_saturn_sky_dyno.jpg

Also, the reason your don't see any "impressive" numbers is because there is no tuning solution out for them yet...

Where are you getting your info from? You might wanna check your rear end...


Also, the reason your don't see any "impressive" numbers is because there is no tuning solution out for them yet...


no, you may want to check your reading comprehension. i said that stock results vary from 205 to 230, did i not?

i got that straight from the redline forums, and posted many results and based my opinion on them. i didn't find one result, and claim it to be the gospel. it doesn't matter why there's no impressive #'s, there's just not. i can't see people that say "if xxxxx comes out the car will be a beast". xxxx is NOT out, so that's a silly argument. back in the day people said the lsj will be a beast when they cracked the computer. some beast it turned out to be :lol:

again, i have said many times that i COULD BE WRONG. but prove me wrong, you're the one saying you have all this great info and not posting it. i at least posted results and the reasoning as to why i posted what i did. so instead of just talking smack, back yourself up with info for once.

Does it really matter to me if a dodge or mazda can beat my car?i couldn't care. I have already order a ss/tc why? because i think it is a great idea and a cool car. i live in a busy city, where am i going to go SOOOOOOO fast, to the next light? wow your cool you beat me to the guy in front of you. i just want to enjoy a nice car, weather it can be modded or not, life goes on. That of course is just my opinion. GM is changing and if you don't like it that is fine. And don't tell me GM engines are maxed look at the 3.6 liter DI with 304 horse, yeah the next version of this engine will be 395 horse. So to the person that said it is all in the ECM is very correct. Everything in the LNF is electronically controlled so some retard doesn't break it. Ohhh also there is a solstice with 600 hp with the stock turbo i do believe, things are possible just give it time. If you can't wait then go buy something else, trust me there is always something out there that suits anyones needs.

again, i have said many times that i COULD BE WRONG. but prove me wrong, you're the one saying you have all this great info and not posting it. i at least posted results and the reasoning as to why i posted what i did. so instead of just talking smack, back yourself up with info for once.

It must be nice to be so naive...

It must be nice to be so naive...

here is a tip for you. we both know the information about the lnf. we both know the sensative nature of it. let them think what they will. you will sleep better at night.

here is a tip for you. we both know the information about the lnf. we both know the sensative nature of it. let them think what they will. you will sleep better at night.

I sleep better at night knowing that at least there are still people in this world that are no more qualified to do anything but to take my order at taco bell when I'm hungry at 1am :D

mmmm taco's :D

Out of the box (stock) this motor could handle more power than my EJ25 if you ask me. The ring lands are thicker and the oil squirters keep them cool and thus preventing the usual catastrophic "ping-bang-byebye-ringland" failure on boosted applications. That's why I can say that the specs on this motor are stout from the factory and should be able to make 400whp without cracking open the case. The head can use some work, but otherwise I'm an ECOtec believer... coming from the LSx domestic / EJ2x subaru world.

As for fueling, I see roughly 30% injectory duty cycle at 22psi / 280whp. Tell me if that ain't freakin nuts.

If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask.

O'rly?? Hmmmm i dont think so, the first one he did 2-3 months ago was running injectors/tune/intake/exhaust and slicks ran a 12.4@118, made 330whp/390wtq, you need to re-check your sources, saw dyno vids of it, are city has some of the fastest SRT-4's in the U.S. rolling around, so i dont need to re-check my sources, hahaha fuck the shitty ass LNF cars, GM always makes crappy tuner cars. Wow direct fuel injection is all it has going for it, look at the competition the cobalt will have, it wont stand a chance in a straight line. The tranny is shit, the internals are shit. The Cobalt has shitty aftermarket support.....I cant wait to get rid of my POS car and get away from these forums.:lol:
1.WRX-way more aftermarket support
2.Ralliart Lancer- Evo Motor w/smaller turbo/exhaust
3.Mazdaspeed 3-minimal mods get it in the 12's
4.Caliber srt-4- stage 3 turbo from factory restricted by parts.

I can see your not good at reading so let me help you out. at 330whp/390wtq it ran a 13.1

the 12.4 @118 your speaking of they were using a 50shot of nitrous and at 400 whp. How hard is it to read online and get facts straight?

Caliber wins by default. This DI shit is a true pain in the ass to tune and the cobalt guys are gonna experience that shit first hand with the new cobalt. Hope you guys are happy with exhaust and intake cause once you start to get past that things are gonna get real fun trust me.......

I'm about to put My Ms3 into a wall I can't take this shit. And boy oh boy I can't wait till your first winter with those cars. I think GM released it during the spring time on purpose cause wait till you see how your cars act with mods and under 40 degrees out side.....Oh yeah and fuel I hope Gm gave you guys some cam driven fuel pumps that flow as much downlow as they do uptop or your gonna be seeing ALOT of lean humps down low with mods......

he speaks the truth... O destroyer of new cars....
once tuning is out though, and any pump issues are taken care of, I see these motors able to make over 400whp easy... I mean come on, my car with a shit fuel pump is making around that now... and everything is stock down to the clutch

he speaks the truth... O destroyer of new cars....
once tuning is out though, and any pump issues are taken care of, I see these motors able to make over 400whp easy... I mean come on, my car with a shit fuel pump is making around that now... and everything is stock down to the clutch

well there was the sky that ran a 300 shot before the motor blew lol so yea i think it'll be ok :lol:

well there was the sky that ran a 300 shot before the motor blew lol so yea i think it'll be ok :lol:

has there been any testing for long term reliability?

niice.

he speaks the truth... O destroyer of new cars....
once tuning is out though, and any pump issues are taken care of, I see these motors able to make over 400whp easy... I mean come on, my car with a shit fuel pump is making around that now... and everything is stock down to the clutch

No pump issues to speak of...

No pump issues to speak of...

ha leave it to GM to give you the fuel to handle high Hp and a tranny that will crack if you put your turn signal on to quickly.........

I'm just joshing though. any one who thinks the MS3 is a step up is seriously mistaken. Its a lateral movement i dont care what the fanbois say. some pros and cons trade but the same death in the end.

dewd people have ran 350wtq through these tranny and theyve been fine, plus the wheel hop situation is pretty much taken care of so if anything breaks its going to be just from sheer power

I'm just joshing though. any one who thinks the MS3 is a step up is seriously mistaken. Its a lateral movement i dont care what the fanbois say. some pros and cons trade but the same death in the end.

Honesty kicks ass . Hope ur liking the new ride man :cool:

from the torque curve it looks like they arn't pushing the turbo to the max, looks like it is ECU limited. The hardest thing with this engine will be finding someone that can tune a direct injected engine, you won't be able to find higher flowing injectors easily either, so once those are at 100% flow you will likely be screwed.

To many people are getting to upset over a car that isn't even out yet. Let the car speak for it self and if it fails it fails. If it does well let it do well. For all of you people that think GM is shit, why are you here? This is a GM based site. As far as the Tranny on the current SS/SC goes, from my experience my tranny and clutch as been perfect for the last 30k and has seen plenty of track time. I can't really speak on HP power #'s for the tranny and clutch because I myself have not dyno'd the car and don't think I am pushing crazy numbers. I can't be doing to bad with the stage 2 and intake mods list. My best track time sofar is a 13.7 @ 105, 2.4 60', and at 2500' above sealevel. Since my last track time I have added a catback, 2.85" pulley, and down to about 200' above sealevel. So I am happy with what I have gotten out of the car for the money, but I didn't go into it thinking I was going to be viper hinting in the thing. The only beef that I have with the car is that it wasn't a turbo and I have alway been parshall to turbo'd cars but that is all on me because I knew that from the beginning. So I will see what the new SS will do and maybe/most likely buy one in its second year. So for all the naysayers give it chance, and if you don't like it go to your non GM board and bash the shit out of it or rip'em up on the street with your beast.

To many people are getting to upset over a car that isn't even out yet. Let the car speak for it self and if it fails it fails. If it does well let it do well. For all of you people that think GM is shit, why are you here? This is a GM based site. As far as the Tranny on the current SS/SC goes, from my experience my tranny and clutch as been perfect for the last 30k and has seen plenty of track time. I can't really speak on HP power #'s for the tranny and clutch because I myself have not dyno'd the car and don't think I am pushing crazy numbers. I can't be doing to bad with the stage 2 and intake mods list. My best track time sofar is a 13.7 @ 105, 2.4 60', and at 2500' above sealevel. Since my last track time I have added a catback, 2.85" pulley, and down to about 200' above sealevel. So I am happy with what I have gotten out of the car for the money, but I didn't go into it thinking I was going to be viper hinting in the thing. The only beef that I have with the car is that it wasn't a turbo and I have alway been parshall to turbo'd cars but that is all on me because I knew that from the beginning. So I will see what the new SS will do and maybe/most likely buy one in its second year. So for all the naysayers give it chance, and if you don't like it go to your non GM board and bash the shit out of it or rip'em up on the street with your beast.
Your cars slow and you suck please tie a rope around your neck and kick the soap box you've been crying on out from underneath yourself. Moving on.......

Your cars slow and you suck please tie a rope around your neck and kick the soap box you've been crying on out from underneath yourself. Moving on.......

You ROCK!:twothumbs

You ROCK!:twothumbs

Hence the greatest member of all time in my sig.

I will leave the rope behind and yes I will kick my soapbox away and come stand on yours but you must share the worlds smallest violin.

I will leave the rope behind and yes I will kick my soapbox away and come stand on yours but you must share the worlds smallest violin.

what ever floats your boat my friend

Big misunderstanding thats now resolved.

all better now.

where was I when the world became a retard fest? Arguing about cars you dont have, havent driven, for fucks sake probably havent even SEEN in real life? lmao