Hi everyone ,this is a conversation I was having with one of the editors of of GM tuner and thought I would pass it along....

I asked a question to one of the editors of GMblogs.com about the Stage 1,2,3 kits and I thought the readers would like to know. Here is the conversation:


ECOtec Racing Technical Question from http://tunersource.gmblogs.com.
The question sent was:

Hi I am wondering if the '08 cobalt turbo will come out with the stage 1,2,3 kits available as an option? thanks so much.... P.S. its killing me to wait for it


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GM Tuner Blog Editor


Her answer was:

Hi, Joe-
That hasn't been announced yet. If something does come out, I don't think there will be three kits. The performance of the production LNF engine is already approaching the limit of the F35 manual transmission. With more power, the trans may not meet the level of reliability and longevity we require for a warranty. Plus, the car is pretty good as-is. The Launch Mode with shift-no-lift is way cool. I couldn't believe it when I drove it.
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Subject 2008 cobalt ss turbo


Thanks,Joe

 

Sounds good i guess, her responce was ok till the "WAY COOL" remark, she sounds like a pin head to me

Anyway good find

 

well, common sense, stage one would be a trans upgrade so it could handle more hp from a stage 2 kit, though I'm not gonna say much, my plan is to leave it as is other than maybe a cai and exaust untill I re-build the engine and upgrade the trans, by the time I get the cash to do that, the car will be paid off and the aftermarket tuners will have caught up with it so I can get 100% potential out of it

 

no ****.... i dont like the tranny wont handle that much more power part

 

Makes sense. Even in the official GM documents, the tranny has a max torque rating of 260lb/ft - which is right around what the LNF makes. Some LSJ guys have already blown their tranny making just 270lb/ft or so.

 

Exactly why a supercharged cobalt or a turbo cobalt will never be known as a great car. You can thank GM for making a weak ass tranny.

 

lol...this may be a noob Q but are there better trannies we can get to allow for more hp? I realize that'd be super expensive, but still...

also, what's the weak point on the tranny, the clutch, or something else?

 

The weak points are as followed:
1. The casing.
2. The teeth on the gears.
3. Its made of soft metal, alumn.

 

Ya for F35 trannys woooooo! I wonder what tranny upgrades we could do to prevent this.

 

so basically they're straight out saying to make more power, you'll have to spend thousands of dollars first, just so that the car can handle the power? that's not so cool.

 

The Quiafe 6 speed conversion gearset is apparently 25% stronger than the stock gears. The kit costs 4 grand without installation so there hasn't been much, if any user feedback on it so far.

 

As far as I know the Quiafe 6 speed is the way to go if you want over 300whp. IMO the stock tranny's are junk. 25% stronger is what they should of been from factory. The F/I cobalts have a strong engine but that means nothing with a weak tranny.

 

Yay, get to spend 4K for an extra gear and no one has any feed back on it. The SS/TC guys may not be so excited to hear that.

What would you suggest be the route to fix the tranny?

 

oh hey, what a coincidence.. didn't i start a thread about that months ago?

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...&highlight=f35

i may not be as stupid as some people think

 

so...it looks like no one is really sure about what this tranny can really handle...there must be something to the fact that some are able to get 350+ out of the f23...and others can't push past 240 with the f35....but what is it? driver error? or setup issues? or simply manufcaturer differences?

 

im so sick of seeing threads about this stupid car....

TVS FTW

 

why is it stupid? it's basically your car with a turbo and my vvt. sounds like a happy medium to me, although it should be one of the bigger engines with your internals. (forged)

 

Cant we swap in the F40 from the saab? and is that any stronger???

 

And thats why the LNF holds the 4cyl record at the ring'... it's just not a great car...

 

actually not the car..just the hype about it...like its going to be ungodly..

 

I think chevy will do 1 of 2 things here...either have to man up and work something our for the tranny/TQ situation, or they'll bitch out and leave it as is, which will ruin the car for everyone, including chevy, and make it a dud. I hope it's option #1...but if corporate thinking in the past is anything to go by...

well that I will definitely agree with you about. it sounds like it's gonna have some SERIOUS growing pains for the first 2 years or so, and if it makes it out of that it'll either be a lost cause or a pretty decent machine. I'm still sticking with my idea that it should be a 2.4L turbocharged SS with all wheel drive sti/evo killer

 

Any one know about this?

 

gm will never make awd...

 

DELTA II could be AWD?? I wouldn't bet it will be, but theres always a possibility...

 

Evos and Imprezas have AWD if that is what you're looking for. I doubt GM will make a AWD perf car. They will mostl likely keep the FWD's and RWDs.