Im looking to get a meth kit, probably a fender mount kit. But I want to know if the people that got them likes them, did anything go wrong with one? Also which ones you like out of these brands: Snow, AEM, AIS. Any input you guys have would be greatful. Looked at all the sites, just want your opinions. Thanks.

 

I have the devils own kit, i like it and you can run it up front, i just like the trunk mount better

 

I haven't checked that brand out. Ill take a look at it.

Also i was wondering what are the improvements that people noticed in boost and hp for thoes that have gotten their car tuned for it?

 

What does the meth system do? And is it worth the money?

 

I love it, I went with AquaStealth, cheapest price, highest quality fittings, same pump as everyone else.

Heck yea its worth the money. Lowers your IAT2 temps, and raises the Octane of the fuel making it more resistant to pre-detonation. Whats not to love?

 

nothing in boost, hp will increase when tuned

 

cheapest price yes.....highest quality fittings? ooo i dunno about that.
most of the others come with a 150psi 100% methanol capable pump.....
AquaStealth is a 120-140psi pump, says nothing about 100% meth....

 

Is it easy to hook up?

 

do you know how much hp you gained from your tune. i know not all tunes are gonna be the same but i was just curious. trying to get a rough estamite.

 

Depends on the tuner and ow agressive they tune. Also mods play a big part into it, mods like mine and a agressive tune will get you anywhere from 15~25 whp

 

Its the same Shur-Flo pump that they all use. And the fittings are all quality brass quick-connect fittings. Show me a better one, becuse I looked at all of them before I bought mine. I wasnt looking for the cheapest, just so happened that the cheapest was the best.

 

Its actually not the same pump as "they all use". This manufacture clearly lists this pump as still using the Viton valves. Viton seals are not compatible with 100% methanol. Our pump is the 150 psi Shurflo pump which uses all EPDM valves and gaskets for use with 100% methanol. If your going to use only a 50/50 mix the other competitors pump will work just fine.

 

All you brand nut swingers out there! Most people here will never use 100% methanol! Actually stated the best for power is a 50/50 or close to it mix!

I am running the aquastealth kit along with a couple of my friends, all been fine! But if you want to spend 2-3x more for the same thing but maybe be able to use 100% meth then go right ahead and do so!


But to get back to the question at hand, it's great prolly the best mod I have bought!

 

Your correct. Most Cobalt owners will not run pure methanol. It's interesting however how each various car club, such as the Cobalt owners, determine and accept as what is the best fluid to run. For example, many of our Corvette owners run pure methanol because its has been proven to allow us to run the most amount of boost and the most amount of timing. Sorry, but it has.

We've been working with this quite a bit lately and should have something to publish here shortly. One thing that needs to be considered is the type of supercharger or turbocharger being used. This is something which we are also looking into. As we have seen a possibility that having water in the mix may actually help turbocharged cars spool up faster.

We recommend a 50/50 mix of water and methanol as this mix is not flammable.

It's important to have a basic understanding of whats actually happening.

When you inject water/alcohol the alcohol portion provides instant cooling (as it quickly evaporates), added fuel, increased octane (when used with pump gas) and burns as part of the combustion process while reducing combustion temperatures and EGT‘s. It should be noted that alcohol has a much lower latent heat of vaporization then water therefore it begins to evaporate instantly when injected into a hot air charge.

Water on the other hand has a very high latent heat of vaporization.

Definition of Latent Heat Of Vaporization: “latent heat” is the amount of energy in the form of heat released or absorbed by a substance during a change of phase. (i.e. solid, liquid, or gas), - also called a phase transition.

The energy (heat) required to turn water into a steam (to begin evaporating) is substantially higher then that of alcohol. The water portion reacts a significantly slower as it needs a substantial amount more of heat to begin evaporating. When atomized properly water alone works well at cooling air charge temperatures. However, when compared to alcohol, testing has shown water does not have as great of a cooling effect on the air charge temperatures as does alcohol. It’s when the water reaches the combustion chamber and the temperatures within that it begins to turn to steam. This steam slows down and stabilizes the combustion process (acting as an anti-detonate/effective octane booster) while also lowering combustion chamber temperatures. It is also the water which cools and protects the tops of the pistons (these engines don’t have oil squirters under the pistons to cool them as do OEM engines designed for turbo's etc.). The water portion also cools and lowers EGT's.

 

Not tryin to be shitty but, there has been A LOT of dyno time spent with these cars and meth and 50/50 or at most 75/25 is the best mix for these cars. Were not just accepting a number that we pull out of the air. And I appreciate ur "science lesson" that you have posted for the 100th time on this siten becuase I didn't know how it worked until you posted that.

 

No problem. Your words speak loud enough. This is how you want to treat supporting paying vendors of this site thats unfortunate for this site and it's members. We are only trying to provide helpful valid information. Additionally, we work with water methanol injection everyday and might be able to be of some help.

As already mentioned, we've found as the application varies (such as type supercharger or turbocharger used) we are finding different mixtures to work better for different applications. Furthermore, the "numbers" were are looking at are not simply limited to IAT's. I won't go into everything now since your probably already well aware of all this too. Just as you were when informing everyone the competitors pump was the same and just as good as everyone else after reviewing all the other companies pumps and systems.

You asked for it. "Show me a better one, because I looked at all of them before I bought mine." And so we showed you.

Furthermore, if you want to buy a water methanol injection system from a company who does not specialize in it and clearly sells other components for "aquariums" thats your prerogative.

Lastly, I believe we have only posted that "science lesson" 3-5 times all in separate posts. If we have posted it more then once on any particular post let us know and we will ask to have it removed. We actually value your opinion and would prefer working with members in a professional way and help other forum members understand water methanol injection.

Rodney

 

it comes down to personal preference in the end.

 

It sure does.

We've noticed every forum is different. For example, we support and participate on "TheTurboForum" in which we deal with a totally different breed of vehicles and applications then here on the Cobalt forum. On that forum our Stage 2 progressive system, while definitely more expensive then other competing companies, offers features which many of the racers need and prefer to use. Additionally, many of these customers will have 40-80+ K in their race cars. We understand price is more of a deciding factor for members on here.

We are working on the possibility to put together a special deal on a complete fender mount system using the windshield wiper container or 2 quart container just for the Cobalt SS members.

 

I created this thread to get the opinion of thoes consumers have the product and how they like the systems. I didnt creat this thread for an argument to start. I appreciate all the input AIS and KillerNutz but i did not want a confertation to break out. For thoes of you that have questions of the product itself, i know AIS has an awsome thread for all your questions and is great on answering them. So please lets try to keep to the origonal question if you could.

 

themainmonkey if you have any specific questions left unanswered about our kits feel free to give us a call.

 

Thank you for mentioning this.

If you would like to ask another member who has used our system recently try contacting "hungryhip-ccp". Here is a link to a recent thread posted by "hungryhip-ccp" showing more pictures of his Cobalt. Very nice and tasteful custom.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...highlight=meth







Thank you for mentioning this.

If you have any questions feel free to post them or email us directly at info@alcoholinjectionsystems.com

If you would like to ask another member who has used our system recently try contacting "hungryhip-ccp". Here is a link to a recent thread posted by "hungryhip-ccp" showing more pictures of his Cobalt. Very nice and tasteful custom.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...highlight=meth

 

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