bogalusahondakiller

I haven't drove anything that handles better than my 09 stock. Or am I missing something. I had 3000 dollar road course suspension on my integra and this car will way out handle it. And actually has the power to get upset sometimes

jboogie

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30mm offset for 265s? On a 17x9. Anyone dissagree?

jboogie

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Trying not to mod the fenders. Not allowed in stx incase I can actually go to nats one year.

jboogie

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There is Scotts old set-up on 285s. Still had that floating around in my email.

alredline04

I can agree with those comments. Although I have not drove a track prepped integra, I did beat one last weekend by almost 2 seconds. He put a lot of time and money into the Acura. We spent $800 on a set of tires and slapped them on a stock '10 Cobalt Turbo with 6000 miles on it.

Wangspeed

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Something wrong w/ your teg setup then. I used to race in Honda Challenge, and my Type R would eat my Cobalt for lunch, handling wise. Now, to be fair, it was a full blown race car, but even before that, the lightness of the Integra really made a massive difference.

There's a reason why ITRs are still rule the top 10 in DStock @ Nationals. Maybe dethroned from #1, but still competitive. David made a great run for #3 though.

bogalusahondakiller

Only problem with the integra was power. And the fact you didn't know when it was going to come around. I only lost it once and it wasn't fun. My cobalt will run circles around it. I had a ls not a type r though

JT-KGY

I cant say the same... I had a Evo 9 RS...

scottherbert

Yup. These are the 285/30s on the 18x8.5" rims, before OTTP hardcore rear bar, before the OTTP LCA mods, before the Stage 1 kit, and before the stiffest springs setup.

Scott

scottherbert

285s are mounted on the new 10" rims, the wheel adapters are all built, I mounted everything and it works GREAT!

I'm going to try it out on a winter event here in Colorado Springs on Nov 14th.

I'm ordering some 3/8" aluminum plate to see about moving the rear calipers to an aluminum mounting plate and cutting the stock (09) steel mounting ears off completely. If this works, then getting more negative rear camber is a cinch.

Scott

Oldguy

After reading this thread, I wondered how DS 4th place finisher David Barkley in his Cobalt SS would fare if he had run in DSP at the 2010 Solo Nationals. The issue here is a stock Cobalt SS competing against all the 10" rim, aftermarket spring and shock, etc. boys. Looking at the results, his time would be good for 2d place in DSP. More telling, the top five finishers in DS would place 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th in DSP. That begs the question, are all those allowable mods in DSP really making the cars faster? Of course, driver skill is the greatest factor in autocrossing, but I would assume that there are very talented drivers in both classes. Bottom line here is that although car guys like to mess with their cars, messing with your Cobalt doesn't necessarily make it faster than what all those engineers at GM came up with.

Davidb32

Dsp ran on different days. They got rain on one or both days. All my runs were in the dry...

Oldguy

Thanks, David, for explaining the difference in times. I should have checked the '09 results as they show significantly faster times for DSP. I am still a firm believer that for most of us, working on driving skills is the key to being able to go fast, not searching for speed in aftermarket gear. But then I'm old, what do I know anymore.

Davidb32

Actually, I totally agree with you...I'm still completely stock. I'm even running a set of stock wheels. My only mod is Hoosiers

scottherbert

I don't disagree with you at all! And I've been to several driving schools and acquired a fair amount of 'seat time'. I also know that when very competitive people drive my car, we're very close in times (BTW, I'm old too).

The reason I'm in DSP is that Kinch Rindell (DS - former national champion and very competitive) races locally and I discovered that on any given day Kinch's times were faster than the DSP drivers (who placed 5th, 10th, and 11th in 2009) by one or two seconds. Other days, the DSP drivers were faster by one or two seconds - pretty equal.

I was consistently about 1.5-2 seconds behind Kinch in both my Redline and my Cobalt. So..., if the times are about the same, and I can modify the car in DSP which I can't do in DS, then I'll give DSP a shot. I have more potential of being very competitive in DSP than I might be in DS.

Obviously, the $$$ go up in DSP. But spread over time, it's not too bad.

Besides, I'm a tinkerer at heart and I have a lot more to tinker with in DSP than I do in DS. And I'm convinced that the Cobalt 'should' be as fast as any in DSP -- I just have to prove it!

Now, at the end of the year when I've switched back from coilovers to Eibach Pro-kit springs, and started running 245 Hankook R2S tires rather than slicks (to save money and get more 'driving' practice) -- I can beat the 'regular' DSP drivers, who are on slicks, by more than a second (not including the two guys who finished 5th and 10th -- I'm about 2 seconds back from them with this setup). So my driving is improving too...

Hey, it's supposed to be fun...

Scott

Davidb32

You really can't compare DS and DSP at nationals. DS runs two different days then DSP every year. DSP is a LOT faster then DS. I'm not saying the cobalt won't have a chance in DSP, and it looks like scott has an awesome build going I would love to see that car in action....

fakameanrepresent

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wow, just find out team dynamics make wheels for us as of yesterday. gonna get this as soon as i get my tax refund, lol.

so i just got off the phone with paul from team illuminata, it is gonna be about $958 shipped to 48 states with center caps. 4-5 months waiting time.

spec are gonna be 17x9 +23 offset front, and 17x8 +20 offset rear. color in gloss black. make fun of the setup all you want, but it is a good FWD setup.

scottherbert

Pictures soon - probably this weekend.

Scott

jboogie

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No reason for anyone to make fun of that? Kinda aggressive though. Where did you get those numbers from? Your gonna need some stiff springs to keep from rubbing. I'll be ordering some as well this winter ( February most likely) But was thinking more on the lines of +30mm offset. I was gonna wait til I threw the Pedders on to do some hard measuring, I was figuring that just off tire/wheel calculators. Could be off but, we'll see.

Looking forward to the pics Scott!

fakameanrepresent

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well, i'm gonna roll my fender rollder. the reason i want it in such a low offset is due to i already rub a hole on my stock wheels. i too have a T/C like you, i'm on full coilover, sway bar, steering rack spacers, blah blah blah. the low offset will help me not to rub more holes in my fender liner. if i run 17X9 with any offset greater than +23, i will have less clearance than what we have right now. 18x7.5 on +42 offset. the back will clear for sure with no rubbing if i roll my fender.

blk06cbltss

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so i have 18x8s and im about to buy some wider tires. whats the biggest set up i can run without rubbing. im lowered on sportlines btw

scottherbert

As promised, here are photos of 285/30 Hoosiers on 18x10" wheel mounted on my Cobalt SS. 1st photo - left to right -- 225/40x18 stock wheel/tire combo, 285/30x18 Hoosier A6s on 18x10" AMR rims, 255/35x18 Hoosier A6s on 18x8.5" AMR rims, 245/45x17 Hankook R2Ss on 17x7.5" rims.



AMR Torque Thrust M rims - 5x114.3 (4.5") bolt pattern:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...x10inwheel.jpg

Side view, 285 slicks, not my autocross suspension - this is on Eibach Prokit springs - it sets about 2" lower for autocross:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...tersprings.jpg

Looking forward - how far the tires protrude:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...ingforward.jpg

Looking back - how far the tires protrude:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...ookingback.jpg

Wheel/tire clearance to strut = 1/4"

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...uarterinch.jpg

Custom CnC'd wheel adapter - 5x110 hub-centric to Cobalt - 5x114.3 hub-centric to AMR wheels.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...x1105x1143.jpg

25mm Custom adapter:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...-1inthhick.jpg

You need to do a few little mods to the front wheel well, but it's easy. 285/30 Hoosier A6s on 18x10" rims work GREAT. BTW, with the 45mm positive offset of the wheel, minus the 25mm adapter, the net offset is 20mm positive - it handles just fine.

If you want more info, let me know, I have more pictures. I have photos of the wheel well modifications, I have more photos of the wheel adapter, and I more than willing to share all of my sources (wheel adapters, wheels, etc.).

Scott

jboogie

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wow. LOTS more tire on the ground with the 10" wheel. Looks mean!

scottherbert

And, most important, it all fits and works well. I'd encourage anybody who wants to jump to DSP/SM/SMF to consider the option...

I'm really surpised that it works as well as it does. I spent a long time convinced that I couldn't run 10" rims -- I was wrong -- and it makes a HUGE difference. Again, to be honest, any advantage has to be expoited to be 'heads-up' competitive in DSP/SM/SMF. I suppose you can be a GREAT driver, but there are lots of great drivers out there at the national level. Any advantage is valuable!

Next step, getting -1.55 camber in the rear...

Scott

fakameanrepresent

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lol, its poking out SO much.