buildmeanempire

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https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/gm-for...160000229.html

kzak104

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dont see it happening

Snail_SS

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Same here i think is the worse idea anyone could have

Jesse

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It isn't just GM. It is an automaker interest group. All sorts of things have been thrown around for the retarded consumer to believe but I will continue to tune regardless of what happens.

Snail_SS

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Lol i got a tuner then if something happens

exninja

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It's already impossible to get the repair manuals for certain makes, like VW group. DMCA is a scapegoat. They just want to rape you at the service department.

riceburner

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Oh my, what bullshit.

Jesse

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Lol I'm sure wgr73 won't stop tuning either. Dmca can kiss the whitest, yellowest, brownest, or blackest part of all our asses.

Snail_SS

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Lol you never know

Cobalt_Daddy

never happen..

REDi DEViSTATOR

Yea, it doesnt matter what they say. If consumers want to tune their car to run better for gas mileage or performance or whatever, they will. Period. Even they know the "one size fits all factory tune" contributes to some engine failures on stock cars. Cough STI cough cough... excuse me sorry. Had a skittles in my throat. Anyways, so tuning a cars ecu to a particular car will always happen. I don't care if they lock the **** out of it or whatever, most forums that are performance/community based have engineers and wizards in them. They will ALWAYS figure it out. Dealers will never win.

Bass_Waves

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older cars prices go up. new car dealers will try to buy all old cars. get rid of em to only allow new cars to be sold. so what this means. used cars prices will go up if they implement the "no more tuning/ backyard mechanic" ordeal. why would prices go up? simply because people will start seeking the older models that can still be touched.

turbocharged717

Everything is illegal anymore. That's not really a big deal. You know people will continue to do work.

Snail_SS

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Thats exactly what i was thinking

Staged07SS

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Frig this.... Government Motors is really starting to **** me off these days.

GM may have lost all of my future business for such an absurd proposal (along with any other car maker on that list).

heeter_33

I don't think this is as far fetched as we'd like it to be. Obviously under different circumstances, but it used to be perfectly legal to do your own electrical, gas, etc until they made it "illegal" without a sign off from a Journeyman (at least here anyway).

cavfiredesire

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Electrician here..

If your talking about home repairs and renos its for good reason....Ive come across some homeowner work that is beyond unsafe and a fire waiting to happen.

Slowbalt2000

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But that's for them to deal with if they messed up, its not like they can hold the homebuilder accountable. Same goes for modifying cars, if you modified it and it hurt you, the court will say that's your fault.

heeter_33

Yup, but that's basically their point. I'm sure there's a few Hellen Kellers out there fixing their own brakes or wiring something up to start a fire.
Hurting yourself isn't the issue, it's hurting innocent people because of your negligence.

Like I said I see their point, however, I think this is merely a money grab idea by the manufacturers. If it came from the TSB based on recorded data of faulty repairs causing issues, I think it would have more merit.

UnkleRaRa

They can kiss the brownest part of my white ass :lol

bmartz1991

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Doubt it happens.

Jesse

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I'd also like to remind everyone, however, not to say it'll never happen. When imports were breaking into the American market, the big three said imports would never make it.

chris88z24

I personally wouldn't tune a new car if I bought one. They come setup pretty good from the factory now and there really isn't any reason to mess with anything, unless you absolutely have to get 20 more whp out of your setup. For me it's all about longevity and the stock tune is about as good as it gets in that regard.

REDi DEViSTATOR

What cracker jack **** are you getting this information from? That's simply not true! One size fits all factory tunes are no where near perfect. Dyno the same make and model over 4 or 5 cars and I bet you see a difference. Then tune them to the way the engine in each and every car runs and you'll totally see why people still tune new cars.

For example, way back when my Tiburon was stock it dyno'd over the 181 hp the factory said it had. It actually was 197hp. Tuned it on some N/A goodies and I saw over 200 and I got better gas mileage than the factory tune. I bet I could do the same thing to ANY 2015 car out there.

Also! Do some research, guess what blows stock engines from 2008-now in the STI? A shitty one size fits all tune. Some boxer engines have slightly different compression and some have a tad larger ring gap. Or vise. Either way, they burn and excavate gasses differently thus causing some to blow. Not making it up. It's all over IWSTI, AND NASIOC.

chris88z24

I'm referring to GM cars.