Hahn RaceCraft

Ladies and gentlemen:

We are in the final stages of determining pricing and equipment packages for our about-to-be-released LSJ 2.0 TurboSystems. We'd like your input on how to offer them.

We'll offer much more detailed information with prices, specs and pics in the actual product release, but first...we'd like to know how you, the enthusiasts, would like to see the system levels and separate components configured.

While complete packages will be our ultimate goal, we well realize that there will be demand for separate components, as well as different level packages. Not everyone will want, or need, injectors or a calibration. Others won't need a turbo or manifold, but may want our intercooler and StreetRace Intake, and others still may want...well, you get the picture.

As the LSJ Community is full of resourceful folks doing a lot of their own things, and tuning capability is also widespread, we feel it warrants a different approach than what we've done in the past with our other TurboSystems. Here's how I'd like to present the information:



Component Group Breakdown

I've listed the major component groups here, and assigned a number to each. Each group would include related hardware (fasteners, gaskets).

1. Turbocharger
2. Turbo Manifold
3. Street Race Intake Manifold
4. Front-Mount Intercooler
5. Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
6. Air intake system and air filter
7. Charge air piping and hoses
8. Blow-off valve system
9. Turbo oil line system
10. Injectors/harness/PCM calibration

There will also be the optional aspects of PortFueler and GT35R Turbo, but let's concentrate on the essentials first.

The question: Of the above component groups, how many should we offer separately, and why?




Modular System Levels

We'd like to offer some system packages too, where you folks can benefit from purchasing multiple component groups as systems. The benefits will be:

• Cost: Combining component groups will reduce cost as compared to purchasing separate groups.
• Compatibility: As the component groups are designed to mesh perfectly wth one another, the more groups you get, the less effort you'll have to expend to 'pull it all together', right on up to the complete system solution including ALL groups.

Here's some initial suggestions for Modular System Levels:

Level I:

• Turbocharger
• Turbo Manifold
• Turbo oil line system

Level II:

• Turbocharger
• Turbo Manifold
• Turbo oil line system
• Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
• Air intake system and air filter

Level III:

• Turbocharger
• Turbo Manifold
• Turbo oil line system
• Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
• Air intake system and air filter
• Front-Mount Intercooler
• Charge air piping and hoses
• Blow-off valve system

Level IV:

• Turbocharger
• Turbo Manifold
• Turbo oil line system
• Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
• Air intake system and air filter
• Front-Mount Intercooler
• Charge air piping and hoses
• Blow-off valve system
• Street Race Intake Manifold

Level V:

• Turbocharger
• Turbo Manifold
• Turbo oil line system
• Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
• Air intake system and air filter
• Front-Mount Intercooler
• Charge air piping and hoses
• Blow-off valve system
• Street Race Intake Manifold
• Injectors/harness/PCM calibration

So, we could consolidate and do fewer levels...I don't see doing any more than five, however...any combinations desired outside of these Level offerings would just be separate component groups, priced separately.

So dig in, boys and gals...tell me what YOU want to see!

silentd

iTrader: (1)

i just cant wait til this is finally done!

blk ss/sc 1

level IV.. im just excited for anymof them to come out though.. and not the first or second one.. if its a turbo u need the blow off-valve..... Is there a price range for these yet?

kwest

i think yall got the groups pretty much set, just kinda be more specific of what will be needed that is not in each level to support that specific level. when will these be up for sale and what are the prices going to range from?

Hahn RaceCraft

The final packages (and pricing) will be determined from what we learn in this thread...I just did not want to presume I had it all nailed, then go to market with configurations that didn't suit the needs, necessitating immediate revisions. This way, we sell what YOU all want!

heyitsmikey1987

what are we looking at for hp and torque

SSMOKEM

Up to stage 4 would be good maybe add the injectors with it.

Consider the tune as an option by its self?

jgarciarivera

iTrader: (1)

watching

REDFOCZ

would Stage 2 be able to be made to work on the 2.4?

2K5SS/SC?

I would be interested in a Level 1 or Level 2 kit. Possibly the sheet metal intake separately down the road as well. Tuner kit FTW!

Hahn RaceCraft

I am presuming you mean Level II...yes, actually, these systems will also fit 2.2 and 2.4 cars with a bit of reshuffling of components in the engine bay.

Johnny B

iTrader: (1)

i like system 4 but i have no idea whats goin on with turbos...

Halfcent

I'd love to do this Bill. And the reality gets closer every day. Have you seen the work that Vince at Trifecta is doing with the L61 ECM's?

My vote is for the full system. All or nothing.

0redline6

you should have the piping options for redlines... we have abit more room to play with but we also have a diffrent way the coldside pipe would be routed!

Blown 4-banger

When you guys get the kit with the 400 whp, 2000 rpm-8200 rpm turbo, let me know. I'll buy!!!

REIGN SS

If you could make this simple for a conversion onto a 2.4 I would love lv 4 or 5!

2K5SS/SC?

I could really see a variation of Level II coming to think of it. This would be perfect for my desires.

Turbo
Turbo manifold
Turbo oil line system
Turbo exhaust outlet housing
MAF Bung (stainless or regular steel)

Are the Super 20G's internally gated or external by the way? Just curious.

lewisb13

For F#@%$ sake please make sure the tunes are good.

ebristol

iTrader: (4)

I think level 3 with the pcm calibration would be the most popular. Base the tune off of someone using the stock Intake manifold.

As it stands right now there would be a large price increase from Level 3 to Level 4 because of the cost of the intake manifold. Correct?

Hahn RaceCraft

Hey Geoff! Yes, great to see the new options emerging for L61. I'd love to see you finally reach your goals!

This may in fact be do-able...once we get the Cobalt release done, we'll troll for an Ion to come to our facility for a look. Later this year perhaps.

Due to engine compartment layout differences vs. the 2.0, the 2.2/2.4 owners do face some additional effort to work with this setup. We can address this in greater detail once the 2.0 release is complete.

Misery5567

Level V . All or nothing for me. I hate hunting things and that I didn't know I needed.

Hahn RaceCraft

You may not be well served by the turbo exhaust outlet housing on its own...it's not compatible with stock-type downpipes, and requires its own unique downpipe. But it's a downpipe you may well be able to make yourself if you are a fab-savvy type!

We have no immediate plans to offer the MAF mounting flanges...but if the market dictates, we may! An interesting request.

Super 20G is internally wastegated for OEM durability and outstanding affordability. We've used this internal wastegate system on everything from low nine-seond FWD cars to eight-second streetbikes...with stellar success!

Correct. And there is one significant aspect that really offsets the cost of the StreetRace intake manifold...in using one, you gain the ability to sell off your ENTIRE supercharger system, including:

• Supercharger
• Intake manifold w/integral intercooler
• Intercooler core, pump, hoses
• Belt drive system complete

We've had our beta tester people sell the above 'kit' for $1200 to enthusiastic Ecotec owners in Cobalts, Cavaliers, Ions...you name it, its a big potential market! That is a serious chunk of money to help defray the TurboSystem purchase.


Plus, you gain the following additional advantages:

• Lighter weight (all that stuff is HEAVY!)
• Superior airflow and cylinder-to-cylinder distribution (the stock intake setup sufffers badly in this aspect)
• Easier underhood servicing (there's SO much more room with that big chunk removed from the front of the engine!)
• Ability to employ PortFueler for mega-high HP combined with good street manners and predictable, consistent tuning
• Outstanding underhood presence (sure, the stock SC looks good, but our manifold is a bit of TIG-welded CNC-billet artwork!)
• Better radiator performance, cooler operation (removing the stock IC core really enhances radiator airflow, even improving AC efficiency!)

M88ArRamadi

subscribed!!! interested in the level IV

pimpnwink

iTrader: (1)

agree 100%

mkulrey13

iTrader: (39)

Glad you 2.0 guys finally get a complete kit. Even tho im a 2.2L, from my previous purchase through hahn i say all or nothing. Great company bill, thanks for my kit runs like a charm!