stage 1 for $150

[turboss09]

Alright before everyone starts jumping on me like you cant get stage one for that etc, hear me out. Alright i was on gm performance parts looking at everything that comes in stage 1 kit. And i priced checked each individual part, everything you really would need, everything but stickers. the only part that was not able to be found was o rings but you could get them at a hardware store. Anyways the total comes out to 150 ish before shipping and stuff. My question is if you bought everything like this do you think it would be considered stage 1 and get to keep warranty? Thoughts about this, maybe others have done it this way, let me know

[JPizzle]

I don't think so man... I know what your talking about, but I don't think it's possible.

[turboss09]

instead of buying the kit with every part in it, you buy each individual part by itself, all the parts in the kit you need like sensors and pigtail connectors etc. lol premium fuel only sticker is not gonna increase performance just increase the bill for the kit

[JPizzle]

Yea. Don't the pigtails cost more than the sensors???

[turboss09]

yea sensors are like $16 a piece and pig tail connectors are $65 a piece

[whyyoumadson?]

no, where are you going to get the tune from?

[turboss09]

the dealer of course, others have bought kits and taken them in to be installed or installed themselves then gone in for tune

[whyyoumadson?]

yes but the kit comes with a confirmation code. they can not flash a gm1 tune without that code

[turboss09]

Conformation code? different for every kit?

[buellfooll]

YEP! The serial number for the kit is printed ON the BOX and on a sheet of paper INSIDE the box. GM will NOT send the calibration without it. And the pigtails are more like $135 each. Unbelievable but true.

Where did you find the part numbers, by the way? Searching for individual part # on GM Performance Parts shows NO MATCH. And to correct my previous post the AUTHORIZATION CODE is on the 1st page of the INSTRUCTIONS, ON the box and on the sheet of paper inside the box.

No hits. No misses. No Kewpie Doll.

[turboss09]

not the same website i was looking before but has same info with parts #'s
http://www.gmpartshouse.com/products...grade-kit.html

[More_Torque_More_HP]

Yes each kit comes with a unique Authorization Code. You can not get the calibration with out it.

If you could get the calibration from some where else, when you go to the dealer your "flash" will not match the recorded flash of your vehicle and therefore can void your warranty.

Also I have found the pigtails discounted to $65 each and some dealers. List price is $135 each

Where have you found the sensors for sale?

[turboss09]

well that sucks, gm is making some money charging around 500 and up for kit.

[buellfooll]

Originally Posted by More_Torque_More_HP

Yes each kit comes with a unique Authorization Code. You can not get the calibration with out it.

If you could get the calibration from some where else, when you go to the dealer your "flash" will not match the recorded flash of your vehicle and therefore can void your warranty.

Also I have found the pigtails discounted to $65 each and some dealers. List price is $135 each

Where have you found the sensors for sale?

Maybe some old Alpha Romeo dealer with a lot of NOS parts? I think that's where I found them at one time.

Originally Posted by turboss09

well that sucks, gm is making some money charging around 500 and up for kit.

All of your links eventually take you back to 19212670 which is the complete hard parts kit for all the LNF's. Bummer, ain't it?

[boosted4dr]

Originally Posted by turboss09

well that sucks, gm is making some money charging around 500 and up for kit.

You expect them to give it away for free? I mean THEY didnt have to spend any MONEY in making the kit for R&D did they? They didnt have to do any test for CARB boards did they? WOW..Just WOW

[yobrigidey]

Yeah, you aren't paying $500 for the sensors, they are cheap (as you have discovered) What you are paying 500+ for is the R&D behind the kit, the CARB certification, and the warranty. Obviously the kit will cause more stress on the car, so GM has to make up some money somewhere for the extra claims they will receive as a result of the kit. If R&D determines the kit causes a part failure that costs $x on 1/10 cars, then they need to up the price of the kit by x/10 to cover the expense.

[buellfooll]

Originally Posted by yobrigidey

Yeah, you aren't paying $500 for the sensors, they are cheap (as you have discovered) What you are paying 500+ for is the R&D behind the kit, the CARB certification, and the warranty. Obviously the kit will cause more stress on the car, so GM has to make up some money somewhere for the extra claims they will receive as a result of the kit. If R&D determines the kit causes a part failure that costs $x on 1/10 cars, then they need to up the price of the kit by x/10 to cover the expense.

I don't think the sensors, if you had to buy them individually, won't be cheap considering the list for the PIGTAILS is $135 EA. I could almost swear I saw the price of the sensors around $350. Each! Probably the same place I saw the application for the Alpha Romeo.

[More_Torque_More_HP]

Originally Posted by turboss09

well that sucks, gm is making some money charging around 500 and up for kit.

By far the most expensive part of the kit is the calibration. It is calibrated and test in temperature extremes and altitude extremes. You would not beleive the amount on engineering that goes into making the kit pass 50 state emissions, drive nicely in all temperatures and altitudes, all the while remaining durable and proving it is with durability testing, so that we can offer the 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty.

All of that expense needs to be recouped in the price we charge for the kits, while offering the kits to the dealers at a reasonable price, so they can make their profits on the kit while getting it to the consumer (you) at the lowest possible price.

If GM could not make any money on the kit they would not offer it. So yes GM is making some money on each kit. The dealers would not be selling it if they could not make money on the kit. So yes the dealers are making some money on the kits.

They are brought to you the consumer at the lowest possible price that makes business sense for the entire distribution chain.