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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 03:07 PM
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ECOTEC rocker arms **now with pics!! pg. 2**

We're currently in the design phase of rocker arms for the ECOTEC. Seeing as there are no aftermarket units, other than Jessel which are a pretty penny.

The unit body will be made from 6AL-4V, while the roller, needle bearing and shaft will be from carbon steel. The tip of the rockers will not be roller tipped. Rollerizing the tip, from what myself and ray bates found, does not reduce friction for such a small sweep angle and valve tip head. The radiused area actually is better for performance. More info to come as well as a sneak peek pic. The new rockers will be tested against stock units in all areas of fatigue and running in an upcoming motorized jig that simulates rocker operation with oil and heat.

There's been a couple complains of the stock units cracking and even breaking in stock applications. This way people doing builds will have an opportunity to chose a non-stock rocker, and we're confident the price will be much cheaper than the Jessel units.

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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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Can you design us new pushrods, too?! :p

Sounds good, keep us updated!
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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I look forward to seeing these as well as having them in my engine.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:08 PM
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dumb question, but what do they do?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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not bad, my motor build is still a few weeks off, when you think they will be ready for production
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wisemanonice
dumb question, but what do they do?
+1 I have no idea what they do...
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
+1 I have no idea what they do...
if im notmistaken they are on the head powered by the camshaft in order to open/close valves.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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I thought that was a tappit
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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That will be a great product for us! They will make it more reliable in the upper rpm with cams!
Thanks JBP!
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:24 PM
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rocker arms are like a weight in a way...one end is raised and lowered by the lobes on the camshaft..the other end sits on the valve stem. When the camshaft lobe raises the outside of the arm it presses down on the valve stem opening the valve. When the outside of the arm is lowered by the camshaft it allows the spring to close the giveer
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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Generally referred to within the internal combustion engine of automotive, marine, motorcycle and reciprocating aviation engines, the rocker arm is a reciprocating lever that conveys radial information from the cam lobe into linear information at the poppet valve to open it. One end is raised and lowered by the rotating lobes of the camshaft (either directly or via a lifter (tappet) and pushrod, while the other end acts on the valve stem. When the camshaft lobe raises the outside of the arm, the inside presses down on the valve stem, opening the valve. When the outside of the arm is lowered by the camshaft, the inside rises, allowing the valve spring to close the giver.

The effective leverage of the arm (and thus the force it can exert on the valve stem) is determined by the rocker arm ratio, the ratio of the distance from the rocker arm's center of rotation to the tip divided by the distance from the center of rotation to the point acted on by the camshaft or pushrod.

For car engines the rocker arms are generally steel stampings, providing a reasonable balance of strength, weight and economical cost. Because the rocker arms are part of the reciprocating weight of the engine, excessive mass limits the engine's ability to reach high operating speeds.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
I thought that was a tappit
lifter tappits are used when its lobe isnt opening it directly
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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the rocker arm is the piece that sits on the push rod with a pivot in the middle then to the valve. basically a teater-totter with the pushrod under one end and the valve under the other.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:29 PM
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Like sincerely I keep seeing pushrod.

On an OHC motor?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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heres a pic right above valve.

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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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AHHHH ok

lololol I see it now

But it looks like theyd be on a push rod motor only...

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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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OHC=ecotech, sh** forgot about that, but same thing in principal.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112


Like sincerely I keep seeing pushrod.

On an OHC motor?
if u look at the closer camshaft to u to the far right just below the camshaft pressing on the spring...thats the rocker arm

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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:35 PM
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so all in all i was kinda right. lol. Ive have worked on engines when i was a child so i get the main idea of things but not the specifics.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NOS2006
Can you design us new pushrods, too?! :p
Sounds good, keep us updated!
New pushrods COMING UP!!!

+1 I have no idea what they do...
Guys, just so we know, the "rocker arm" in these engines is actually a follower. There's big difference between the two. And whats with all this talk about pushrods! See what you started NOS2006.

So, the lifter end of the follower in this example is the pivot point, versus the fulcrum of a typical rocker arm being actuated by the pushrod.. Thats the big difference between a follower and a rocker arm.

Here's a pic of what Jessels ones look like:

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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JBP
New pushrods COMING UP!!!



Guys, just so we know, the "rocker arm" in these engines is actually a follower. There's big difference between the two. And whats with all this talk about pushrods! See what you started NOS2006.

So, the lifter end of the follower in this example is the pivot point, versus the fulcrum of a typical rocker arm being actuated by the pushrod.. Thats the big difference between a follower and a rocker arm.

Here's a pic of what Jessels ones look like:

lol thats what i posted of that german engine lol
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven SS
if u look at the closer camshaft to u to the far right just below the camshaft pressing on the spring...thats the rocker arm

I UNDERSTAND NOW


BTW vr6 FTW
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Old Jan 12, 2008 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven SS
lol thats what i posted of that german engine lol
right! same difference.


not bad, my motor build is still a few weeks off, when you think they will be ready for production
The design is complete, we have to construct the first prototype and test it rigorously. They should be ready for production after 2 weeks of testing. The prototype will take approximately 1 month to manufacture. So these babies will be hitting the streets if all goes well in 8 weeks.
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Old Jan 12, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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u should let me test them on my car lol check out my engine build in my sig
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Old Jan 12, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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what kinds of gains are going to be associated with this new part??

and hp? or what should be the benefits of this new design?
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