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poking thru SRTforums
so someone made a thread about the new ss tc in the srtforums. the srt4 guys seemed pretty impressed with it and not talking any **** at all. in fact, i think their having second thoughts about out SS ... DIRECT QUOTE (from a dude in the srtfrums)
"Looks like SRT just got slap in the face."
BOOM SHAKA LAKAAA!!!!
"Looks like SRT just got slap in the face."
BOOM SHAKA LAKAAA!!!!
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I'm a member and I searched and there are 3 threads on the new turbo cobalt...in the other 2 they are basically saying the Cobalt is a **** car, and things like it doesn't handle well, blah blah blah....all sorts of crap.
But when it all comes down to it, they are still driving an f-ing NEON, and no way in HELL does the SRT4 handle better then the SS/SC....
whatever. ignorance is bliss
But when it all comes down to it, they are still driving an f-ing NEON, and no way in HELL does the SRT4 handle better then the SS/SC....
whatever. ignorance is bliss
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I'm a member and I searched and there are 3 threads on the new turbo cobalt...in the other 2 they are basically saying the Cobalt is a **** car, and things like it doesn't handle well, blah blah blah....all sorts of crap.
But when it all comes down to it, they are still driving an f-ing NEON, and no way in HELL does the SRT4 handle better then the SS/SC....
whatever. ignorance is bliss
But when it all comes down to it, they are still driving an f-ing NEON, and no way in HELL does the SRT4 handle better then the SS/SC....
whatever. ignorance is bliss
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As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
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As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
edit~i find it funny you compared the neon to a cavalier. thats actually pretty rediculous
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
edit~i find it funny you compared the neon to a cavalier. thats actually pretty rediculous
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
i really don't think this crowd can actually say "its a neon" when the same can be said here "its a cobalt". at the end of the day the SS' and SRT-4's are still the performance packages of said base vehicles.
what were the times of stock srt-4's both neon and caliber around "the ring"? I think thats a pretty good comparison of the vehicles OVERALL performance.
edit~i find it funny you actually compared the srt-4 to a cavalier. thats rediculous
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As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
If you want to compare dodge v. gm.. in the long run.. GM made faster cars which were way more weird looking.
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Maybe if you would read what was quoted by me then you wouldn't seem so ignorant. They weren't talking about the SC, but the TC, which holds the record at the ring for the sport compacts. I don't recall the ACR being tuned at the ring btw, so I would like to know where you're getting your facts from. I also bet the Caliber SRT4 doesn't even handle nearly as well as the Neon SRT4 did. Oh and for those whom cry about it when people call it just a Neon, even Dodge didn't want it called the Neon, so whats that say? I like the SRT4 alot, but biased **** talking by fan bois gets you nowhere.
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ill take the neon over the cobalt any day...but dj4monie does have a point...look at it this way...srt is a much better bang for the buck...u get killer internals that wont blow until u reach the 600hp mark,u got a mean front end,and ur insurance is cheaper since its a 4 door grocery getter with a boost gauge..
invest 5,000 in both cars..prolly 12 sec cobalt,10 sec srt4
also privetly owned srt4...is that red sled by any chance
also the acr srt4 is a huge handlin improvement over the regular srt4,and will out handle the cobalt anyway,plus kill it all around in breaking,0-60,1/4 mile,top speed,,etc etc
invest 5,000 in both cars..prolly 12 sec cobalt,10 sec srt4
also privetly owned srt4...is that red sled by any chance
also the acr srt4 is a huge handlin improvement over the regular srt4,and will out handle the cobalt anyway,plus kill it all around in breaking,0-60,1/4 mile,top speed,,etc etc
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ok well the SRT 4 neon even with MOPAR coil over's and full sway bars coud not out handle a IRL with only lowering springs and a strut tower brace through mullholland hwy. and got passed by a single cam civic with koni's and a nutty driver(wich was awesome but he ended up riding my ass to). the LNF is a LSJ with DI(bosch system) and a turbo.. slap a turbo on a LSJ and you make serious HP. 300+ in what have seen/read. combine that with what a IRL or SS/SC can allready do and it's amazing.
sidenote:boosting 11 pounds by 2k isnt great for traction if ya know what i mean.. having a 13.8 ET with 107 traps mean's potential.
sidenote:boosting 11 pounds by 2k isnt great for traction if ya know what i mean.. having a 13.8 ET with 107 traps mean's potential.
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Who is posting biased **** talking???
Has anyone on here heard of the record for fastest sport compact around the ring prior to Chevy bringing it up??? If you think that "record" will last long you are crazy.
Facts: do a search for ACR SRT-4 vs Cobalt SS
Now about the ignorance... why don't you read WHAT I QUOTED. SHE [DSMissed], said that the SRT-4 didn't even outhandle the SS/SC. She is wrong.
Like I said to her and am now saying to you, don't be ignorant.
Has anyone on here heard of the record for fastest sport compact around the ring prior to Chevy bringing it up??? If you think that "record" will last long you are crazy.
Facts: do a search for ACR SRT-4 vs Cobalt SS
Now about the ignorance... why don't you read WHAT I QUOTED. SHE [DSMissed], said that the SRT-4 didn't even outhandle the SS/SC. She is wrong.
Like I said to her and am now saying to you, don't be ignorant.
BTW love how you quoted record, like it's merely a fluke or something. Try looking at the company that record sits in, all V8 performance vehicles.
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blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...
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blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...
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blah blah blah... The Cobalt clearly was not made for drag racing.So 1/4 mile times don't mean much. The cobalt was made to be a well handling vehicle suited for time attack type driving. It is a very responsive car coming out of turns and has great acceleration from the turn speed to straight-away speed. As shown when it bested the legendary Nissan Skyline's times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge's Time Attack (Of course it was modded but so were all the other cars including the 600HP skyline that was there). The SRT-4 was not made for this kind of driving in my opinion, it was made to be a concrete eating monster without much finesse...More muscle. I don't think it is fair to say which is better because they are both better at what they were designed to do. The Cobalt was designed on the Nurburgring while the SRT-4 was probably designed on a straight strip of asphalt. The times I have seen for drag strips have all been in favor of the SRT, while courses have been in favor of the Cobalt. Apples and Oranges...
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Here's some info from the track:
From this http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/o...-bows-at-sema/
GM set a Nürburgring class record for FWD sport compacts with the turbo Cobalt, lapping the Green Hell in 8:22.85
For comparison:
8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgfˇm/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 hp [citation needed]
8:26 - BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 306 hp (Sport Auto)
8:26 - Nissan 350Z (Sport Auto 10/03)
8:28 - Porsche 911 Carrera (993) (Sport Auto 07/97)
8:28 - BMW M5 E39 (previous model), 400 hp [citation needed]
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S (Sport Auto 12/99)
8:35 - BMW M3 E36 Coupe, 321 hp [citation needed]
8:36 - Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., Oct 2005), sport compact record holder
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG [citation needed]
8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - MazdaSpeed 3 Mark Ticehurst
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00
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As with people that are not intelligent "Its a Neon" has what to do with the car's performance?
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
From DAY ONE the Neon has outperformed what used to be the 3rd gen Cavi. Fast forward, it out ran the SS Cobalt Supercharged from DAY ONE. Handling is a bit overrated and no Cobalt ever won 1 Lap Of America or been competitive in SCCA World Challenge.
Its also heavier than the SRT-4, those facts remain and at the end of the day how many 12 second SS are they compared to SRT-4's???
The appearance of the Cobalt being a better handling car is diluted by the fact that GM drops a TON of money into the Grand Am/Koni Challenge program, spent a ton on the Street Tuner Challenge Car and numerous other attempts to gain market share.
All the money GM has spent in GM Performance Parts and I don't see many SS's on the street, street races or the track. The few that do show up are much SLOWER than many of my friends with SRT-4's. My car runs 12.74 as its best ET and 106.34 mph as its best trap speed.
Best overall time is 12.74@105.94 stock turbo, stock intercooler, PCM controlled boost
How many SS's are faster than that???
Now I like the Cobalt don't get me wrong, but the fact remains its not what YOU think it is and that is proven everyday in grassroots competition.
The fastest Cobalts in the country belong to professional racing teams PAID by GM and other sponsors to beat the competition and they DO.
SRT-4 is the fastest compact period - 221mph
Fastest Privately Owned SRT-4 - 9.46@154 (At Pomona two weeks ago)
We don't get money from Chrysler....
Cobalts have a LONG, LONG way to go to catch us and the Turbo SS is a step in the right direction.
Ultimately it is not about who builds a better car, we should be working together to end the import dominated culture of the sport compact world.
I became a member of this broad (years ago) because I support GM's efforts in this market segment. Its the BUYERS of this car that DISAPPOINT ME. You do not own the best car in the world, the Neon is not a POS, the Caliber SRT-4 makes more power and I got news for you, if the SS weighs anywhere near what the Caliber does (3146lbs) with less power its not going to be any faster.
Now if we can agree on the fact that the supercharged SS is a nice car but disappointing and the SS Turbo should have been the way the car was SUPPOSE to be produced then we can continue this discussion without any brand bashing.
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What Im saying is, don't try to get people to agree that this car was a disappointment, because it isn't to some people. For me, I got exactly what I wanted. I didn't buy my car to compete with srt-4s. I know thats what srt-4 guys like to think, but fact of the matter is, I could care less if someone has a faster car than me. Woop-dee-freaking-doo. Theres always someone faster. I got more important things to keep me awake at night.
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also guys an ACR isnt a tuned dodge...its just an 05 srt4 acr...all acr is upgraded suspension,16"bbs rims,and the stock vipers are ready for a harness...same power as the 04 srt'4's just suspension is diffrent
