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GM Stage 1/2 Thread: Merged
04-06-2006, 02:54 PM
#951
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Originally Posted by SS_Supercharged
I checked and there is a standard install time of 1 hr on the stage 1 and 1.5 hrs on the stage 2. Your dealer can call the PARTEC line to verify.
What is the source of this information? Is this coming from a current Chevrolet Master Accessory List?? (it's not present on MY copy dated 3/27/06)
I called and spoke to a PARTEC rep a couple weeks back. At least at THAT TIME they DID NOT have, nor expected any official installation time to be developed for the Stage kits. At that time I was told that dealers would be advised to simply use the times published in the labor time guide or estimation system such as ADP. (I've got a message into our Partec rep today to see if that's changed)
The "problem" I was told was the shear number of seperate operations for the Stage kit installations. For instance for Stage 2 (complete) you have injector replace (4), supercharger R&R, pulley R&R, belt replacement (overlap), VCI Reflash, and Crank Variation Relearn. SPO Partec representives are generally only accustomed to developing a fair time for a SINGLE operation (eg cost to install a set of running boards, or to install an extruded exhaust manifold) BUT once mutiple operations were involved- their only point of reference is the labour time guide.
To the best of my knowledge AT THIS TIME, thre is no published labor time for any of the Stage kits.
What I CAN tell you is if I was a drivability tech and asked to perform a Stage 2 kit installation for 1.5hrs I would just refuse the job. There absolutely is no rationale for the kit installation to be 60% less than the warranty flat-rate times published for these operations.
JMO
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04-06-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
Stage kits threads are more powerful than mods right now ..
lol
We can't delete threads just because they have to do with the stage kits. We can merge them, but only in cases where it wouldn't hijack another thread.
04-06-2006, 03:01 PM
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WOP, any idea what the install time for Stage 1 would be? ie, just the flash and the injector. Cause i was just told 4-5 hours for Stage 2, and i am assuming most of that is the SC portion of stage 2.
04-06-2006, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MarcS
lol
We can't delete threads just because they have to do with the stage kits. We can merge them, but only in cases where it wouldn't hijack another thread.
04-06-2006, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MarcS
lol
We can't delete threads just because they have to do with the stage kits. We can merge them, but only in cases where it wouldn't hijack another thread.
I would love to see the mods do an all out Stage kit thread assult merging all unnessasary threads and creating a Stage kit FAQ ...
04-06-2006, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
I would love to see the mods do an all out Stage kit thread assult merging all unnessasary threads and creating a Stage kit FAQ ...
04-06-2006, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
You can get it installed elsewhere, but it says VERY CLEARLY that they will only be covered under vehicle warranty if they are installed at a GM dealer.
04-06-2006, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by WopOnTour
SS
What is the source of this information? Is this coming from a current Chevrolet Master Accessory List?? (it's not present on MY copy dated 3/27/06)
I called and spoke to a PARTEC rep a couple weeks back. At least at THAT TIME they DID NOT have, nor expected any official installation time to be developed for the Stage kits. At that time I was told that dealers would be advised to simply use the times published in the labor time guide or estimation system such as ADP. (I've got a message into our Partec rep today to see if that's changed)
The "problem" I was told was the shear number of seperate operations for the Stage kit installations. For instance for Stage 2 (complete) you have injector replace (4), supercharger R&R, pulley R&R, belt replacement (overlap), VCI Reflash, and Crank Variation Relearn. SPO Partec representives are generally only accustomed to developing a fair time for a SINGLE operation (eg cost to install a set of running boards, or to install an extruded exhaust manifold) BUT once mutiple operations were involved- their only point of reference is the labour time guide.
To the best of my knowledge AT THIS TIME, thre is no published labor time for any of the Stage kits.
What I CAN tell you is if I was a drivability tech and asked to perform a Stage 2 kit installation for 1.5hrs I would just refuse the job. There absolutely is no rationale for the kit installation to be 60% less than the warranty flat-rate times published for these operations.
JMO
WopOnTour
What is the source of this information? Is this coming from a current Chevrolet Master Accessory List?? (it's not present on MY copy dated 3/27/06)
I called and spoke to a PARTEC rep a couple weeks back. At least at THAT TIME they DID NOT have, nor expected any official installation time to be developed for the Stage kits. At that time I was told that dealers would be advised to simply use the times published in the labor time guide or estimation system such as ADP. (I've got a message into our Partec rep today to see if that's changed)
The "problem" I was told was the shear number of seperate operations for the Stage kit installations. For instance for Stage 2 (complete) you have injector replace (4), supercharger R&R, pulley R&R, belt replacement (overlap), VCI Reflash, and Crank Variation Relearn. SPO Partec representives are generally only accustomed to developing a fair time for a SINGLE operation (eg cost to install a set of running boards, or to install an extruded exhaust manifold) BUT once mutiple operations were involved- their only point of reference is the labour time guide.
To the best of my knowledge AT THIS TIME, thre is no published labor time for any of the Stage kits.
What I CAN tell you is if I was a drivability tech and asked to perform a Stage 2 kit installation for 1.5hrs I would just refuse the job. There absolutely is no rationale for the kit installation to be 60% less than the warranty flat-rate times published for these operations.
JMO
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04-06-2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by retrop
WOP, any idea what the install time for Stage 1 would be? ie, just the flash and the injector. Cause i was just told 4-5 hours for Stage 2, and i am assuming most of that is the SC portion of stage 2.
04-06-2006, 03:36 PM
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i was told 2 hrs by underwood chevrolet in ann arbor also if you buy it from them the stg 1 is only $400 and the stg 2 i sonly $560 so that is way cheaper than MSRP since you are in detroit you would be all set. Look up underwood chevy and call about it... I just got off the phone with them stg2 is on backorder and stg1 is ready to go !
04-06-2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BooSSted
HOLY ****. I am going to lose my mind.
Where are the ******* MODS???? Do something about this **** being posted OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!
Where are the ******* MODS???? Do something about this **** being posted OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!
04-06-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SS_Supercharged
PARTEC line has been updated for the kit part numbers. This was done when the kits went on sale on 3/30/06. Also ther is an N note listed electronically with part number in service data base.
Now the tough part will be how to find a drivability tech willing to lose .5 installing the stage 2 kit.
(Stage 1 isnt so bad)
Sure wish they would have had KM issue a pulley remover/installer tool !! (not a fan of putting the SC in a 20 ton press)
WOT
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04-06-2006, 03:58 PM
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I went to a local dealership today and the parts guy I talked to wasn't even aware these kits existed. We went online at the shop, came onto this site got the part # for stage 1, he looked it up on his computer and said he would have to check with the U.S. for availability. He then, without hesitation, said it would be an hour install time for stage 1. And that was because 1 hour is their minimum charge time for this type of work.
04-06-2006, 04:19 PM
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Chevy Dealer in Westchester County, NY confirmed shipment on 4.06.06 of two GMPP stage 2 kits 17803229. Will have kits in hand on Monday 4.10.06
Sale price for 1-17803229 is $637.50+TAX
Labor price of $178.00+TAX
Shipping NOT available at this time!!!
PM me if interested.
Sale price for 1-17803229 is $637.50+TAX
Labor price of $178.00+TAX
Shipping NOT available at this time!!!
PM me if interested.
04-06-2006, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stbluSS
does it really bother you people that much ???
Stage 1 Kit info
Stage 2 Kit info
Stage Kit FAQ
Stage Kit Dyno's
3rd Party Kits
Misc Stage Kit Info
Stage Kit Dealers and Prices
Instead of on page what we have now:
GMPP STAGE 1 and 2 KITS ARE IN (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Stage kit dealer install time (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Stage 2 installed outside dealership???
Stage 1 Review (Multi-page thread 1 2)
No More Stage Kits Threads!!!
Stage Kits Price and Dealer Location (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
Stage Upgrades Vs. Gas Mileage
JohnKB8 & R33P3R (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Stage1/2 Question
GM Stage 2 Reflash Only?
intense stage 3 vs GM stage 2 (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Info from GM about stage 2+ (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Stage 1 installed!!! (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
Stage 2 kit employee price
Stage 2; Up And Running!!!!!!!! (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
"The price is right"
Worried about clutch giveing on stage2? (Multi-page thread 1 2)
GM Stage 2 Injector Size?
GM stage kits or 3rd party kits? (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Stage 1 & 2 Dyno Results?!?!
GM stage 1 ordered today...
Look at that 7 Threads i made and that should just about cover everything we need to know about the stage kits. And maybe even start deleting and/or moving posts as the come in when someone asks a qestion that has been asked a million times! And not for nothing but the "Ordered my stage kit bla bla" and "Got my kit in the mail today" or "Stage kit installed" isnt really tech talk its more of lounge talk btw.
The comment about not moving or deleting because of hijacking is kinda weak. I dont think there is one stage kit thread here that hasnt been hijacked.
04-06-2006, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by l337m4573rpyr0
I just got a MUCH more reasonable quote from a local shop on the stage 2 kit install vs any chevy dealer in the area. So, I'm wondering if getting the hardware installed and then driving it about 5-6 miles to the nearest dealer for the reflash would cause any problems. I'm also going to have my CAI installed at the same time.
If you install the kit and drive to the dealer for the flash the warrenty will be lost.
04-06-2006, 05:27 PM
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just to let all of you know that it dosent void your warranty if you install the kit yourself period this is directly from the mouths at crate engine depot these kits are gm performance parts and if your able to do it yourself it dosent hurt the warranty all you have to do is to go get the reflash and pay the 1 hour labor charge to do it now if the kits werent from gm performance parts division then no matter who installs it you **** the warranty part of the car
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04-06-2006, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by l337m4573rpyr0
Where does it say that? In the documentation of the kit?
Originally Posted by page 260
The supercharger systems are covered under the vehicle's warranty if installation is performed by a GM dealer. ***For the do-it-yourself installer, the parts are covered by a 12-month warranty.***
04-06-2006, 06:09 PM
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I have my kit right here beside me! Now the bad news, THEY WON'T INSTALL IT!!! Basically it boils down to him saying because it voids the factory warrenty they won't install it because of potential legal issues. I tried to convince them that the factory warrenty remains in effect but to no avail! Can anyone help me with some proof that the stage kits DO NOT void factory warrenty?!?!? Man that pisses me off so damn bad. I went off on that *****.
