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mkulrey13 12-17-2012 01:34 PM

Installed a boost gauge, hardly any VAC?
 
So I installed a boost gauge on my 2004 ion redline. I ran the line and t'd it off the vac line comming up from behind the blower from the manifold. Now my boost holds perfectly at 12/13psi. My VAC is 6-10.. Any ideas? Wrong VAC line? My buddy said I may have blow-by? I've double checked for leaks, kinks, I have some Teflon tape at every connection to ensure its leakproof.

mrbelvedere 12-17-2012 04:32 PM

6 to 10 at idle

mkulrey13 12-17-2012 04:43 PM

idle, decel, N any gear.. sometimes it may go to 14ish but then climbs back to 6-10 range.

714ionredline 12-17-2012 05:13 PM

Thats weird mine is always at 16 when cold and 18 - 20 when warm. What you boost at wot??

SylverSS/SC 12-17-2012 05:14 PM

Mine is around 15-20 depending on the weather but 15 is pretty much where mine idles I think. I'll check today

mrbelvedere 12-17-2012 06:19 PM

can you do a leak down test

JBMark33 12-17-2012 07:58 PM

Which unit is the gage in?

The stock LSJ gage is 'psi' on the top half and 'in. Hg' on the bottom half, so make sure you are comparing like units.

mrbelvedere 12-17-2012 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by JBMark33 (Post 6843658)
Which unit is the gage in?

The stock LSJ gage is 'psi' on the top half and 'in. Hg' on the bottom half, so make sure you are comparing like units.

good point

mkulrey13 12-17-2012 11:54 PM

This is IN HG same as stock.

JBMark33 12-18-2012 07:17 AM

I checked my vacuum this morning (on my ScanGauge II) 8.5 psi average at idle measure at different stops on my commute to work.

[that is @ 42 deg F, barometric pressure here: 29.49 in Hg]

While my scangauge read 8.5 psi vacuum, my boost gage was holding at ~17.5 in Hg. vacuum. A quick conversion from Google verifies: 8.5 pounds per square inch = 17.3081621 inches of mercury.

From this, I would venture a guess to say that 6-10 psi vacuum is likely just fine, I don't think you have any issues. Just for reference, the equivalent of 6-10 psi would be 12.2-20.4 in Hg.

mrbelvedere 12-18-2012 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by JBMark33 (Post 6844103)
I checked my vacuum this morning (on my ScanGauge II) 8.5 psi average at idle measure at different stops on my commute to work.
.

the car dosent have psi at idle

these engines hold around 19inches at idle my scan guage shows that along with my mechanical guage a vac leak or low cylinder pressure or cams out of time will cause low manifold vaccum

JBMark33 12-18-2012 11:33 AM

Pressure can be measured in either PSI or Inches of Mercury (in Hg). The Cobalt SS/SC analog gages are twin-unit gages to view PSI units in boost (positive pressure) or in Hg in vacuum (negative pressure).

The vacuum can be displayed in either units. 17.3 in Hg (pressure) that I saw this morning on my analog gage is equivalent to 8.5 psi (pressure) that i saw on my Scangauge II. Both pressure, both vacuum, two different ways to report the same thing.

mkulrey13 12-18-2012 01:27 PM

If it was a VAC leak or anything besides a broken gauge it would affect my boost too?

mrbelvedere 12-18-2012 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by mkulrey13 (Post 6844514)
If it was a VAC leak or anything besides a broken gauge it would affect my boost too?

yes a leak will affect boost also

JBMark33 12-18-2012 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by mkulrey13 (Post 6844514)
If it was a VAC leak or anything besides a broken gauge it would affect my boost too?

If you have a VAC leak, your idle would likely be high or have a bouncing idle, but not necessarily. If it was bad enough, you could hear a 'hiss' at idle under the hood. Your engine would be using un-metered air coming into the engine and would probably have issues in high-rpm, high-boost situations. This would probably cause it to throw the check engine light, but not always.

What RPM are you idling at?


I would park the car safely, set the e-brake and let it idle. Pop the hood and spray carb cleaner around all your vacuum lines. If you notice the engine idle up in a certain area, you may be able to determine the location of your VAC leak.

mrbelvedere 12-18-2012 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by JBMark33 (Post 6844354)
Pressure can be measured in either PSI or Inches of Mercury (in Hg). The Cobalt SS/SC analog gages are twin-unit gages to view PSI units in boost (positive pressure) or in Hg in vacuum (negative pressure).

The vacuum can be displayed in either units. 17.3 in Hg (pressure) that I saw this morning on my analog gage is equivalent to 8.5 psi (pressure) that i saw on my Scangauge II. Both pressure, both vacuum, two different ways to report the same thing.

if you are seeing 8in at idle you have something wrong these engines are supposed to have 18 to 19 in at idle stock cruise you should see around 10 to 12 in the only way that will change is if you put a bigger set of cams in low cylinder pressure or a vacum leak bad head gasket pinched line bad guage

prevsrt4owner 12-18-2012 02:03 PM

Is it the gauge itself? I haven't seen the question posted yet. Does it go back to "0" with the engine off? Could be a broken gauge. If no to question #1, it definitely could be a vacuum leak. Boost leak test with soapy water to find the leak. SRT-4s are notorious for screwed up stock gauges (just sayin').

mrbelvedere 12-18-2012 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by mkulrey13 (Post 6843023)
So I installed a boost gauge on my 2004 ion redline. I ran the line and t'd it off the vac line comming up from behind the blower from the manifold. Now my boost holds perfectly at 12/13psi. My VAC is 6-10.. Any ideas? Wrong VAC line? My buddy said I may have blow-by? I've double checked for leaks, kinks, I have some Teflon tape at every connection to ensure its leakproof.


Originally Posted by prevsrt4owner (Post 6844591)
Is it the gauge itself? I haven't seen the question posted yet. Does it go back to "0" with the engine off? Could be a broken gauge. If no to question #1, it definitely could be a vacuum leak. Boost leak test with soapy water to find the leak. SRT-4s are notorious for screwed up stock gauges (just sayin').

good point but you dident read it well he installed the guage the IRL dosent come with a boost guage factory unless it has comp package

mkulrey13 12-18-2012 05:23 PM

The gauge does not go back to zero when turned off. Maybe it is a bad gauge.

JBMark33 12-18-2012 06:21 PM

IIRC, you have to turn the key to 'ON' but not 'START' to check to see if it zeroes.

nhanson 12-18-2012 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by JBMark33 (Post 6845010)
IIRC, you have to turn the key to 'ON' but not 'START' to check to see if it zeroes.

This is a mechanical gauge. Should do 0 on shut down.

Sounds like a bad gauge. My glowshift likes to stick at 14ish when im really 19-20.

See if a buddy has one you can trade out or just get a new one.

mrbelvedere 12-18-2012 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by JBMark33 (Post 6845010)
IIRC, you have to turn the key to 'ON' but not 'START' to check to see if it zeroes.

irl dosent come with a factory installed boost guage you have to install a mechanical guage

714ionredline 12-18-2012 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by mrbelvedere (Post 6845053)
irl dosent come with a factory installed boost guage you have to install a mechanical guage

The irl did come with a stock boost guage in the sports package option. The guage came on the steering coluum behind the steeting wheel.

mrbelvedere 12-18-2012 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by 714ionredline (Post 6845072)
The irl did come with a stock boost guage in the sports package option. The guage came on the steering coluum behind the steeting wheel.

it was called a competition package it had a ladder tach and a boost guage on the colum idk if it was available on 04 irl or not but sive his dident have it stock it is a non com car

nhanson 12-18-2012 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by 714ionredline (Post 6845072)
The irl did come with a stock boost guage in the sports package option. The guage came on the steering coluum behind the steeting wheel.

Yup. Should be same set up as cobalt only that IRL comes with shift lights


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