bump for more people

 

Strange, last I checked the Mustang Cobra used a very similiar setup, and everyone seems to think that those are pretty hot ****.

 

its a bit more complex than that. They didnt do a bad job at all. If i was GM id be on the "safe" side too. However, tweaks can be made to improve the designability of it all.

Laminovas are one of the most effecient methods of cooling. Not flow, especially the design stated. Our IATs are already through the roof how they stand stock under WOT. Also the car wasnt intended for back to back runs for most of their customers. More like, spirited driving every now and then which it does quite nicely. Hence why it is aluminum and not copper. If the car's IATs were through the roof under a constant state of 150-170 then obviously copper would be solution. Highest conductor always wins vs the constant state of heat. But since our IATs fluctuate so much (stock) then the aluminum can dissipate the heat quicker than copper.

I think the best way your going to get around this is a larger aluminum core but to mesh it with something else that will do the cooling like the killer chiller perhaps. If your cool enough, you dont need that restriction. Many people with prior cooling mods can take this in to account.

Looking at it from a PSI side and calling it a bad design doesnt really tell us much since the engine's calculated CFM needed vs calculated CFM the blower delivers wasnt in to account. Now im only going off of memory here but when I did the calculations on a stock system....

The LSJ could take in to account 650ish CFM
The blower could deliver 850ish CFM

So that is 200 CFM the LSJ wastes. Which is basicly a 75% effeciency rating ONLY in regards to CFM. We can clean that up a bit in theory but we still have to take in to account opening up exhaust, colder/warmer air, AFR, spark, ...etc. Kinda hard to convert all of these little maths in to HP and ive got souvenier shopping to do today since im doing the good ol vacation deal.

All the stuff i typed could be off, go ahead and correct me if im wrong with the numbers since im doing this off memory guys, but it is basicly correct from an engineering standpoint.

 

rebel, is there any way we can get a CAD drawing? i think that would encourage far more people?

 

really. show me some pictures of the cobras cooling system

you make great points but i dont see how pushing all that air into a solid wall of metal cant hurt it. just pulling a bit of metal out of your heads makes tons of power, well lets see what happens here i cant wait to see how much power these intake manifolds hold up

 

What do you need pics for? All sorts of people are using Cobra heat exchangers. Or did you specifically mean the Laminova style intake?

 

thats exactly what im talking about. as far as ive seen the cobras have a plate style cooler inside the intake manifold. it flows huge numbers and doesnt restrict flow at all.

 

k im all for a new "intake manifold" and have been saying it since before i even came on this sight. Its good to see some people picking up the ball on this since this will be one of the most important upgrades short of the port and polish of the head via the LSJ.

The pros and cons can be debated. By all means, remove your cores and run it and you will quickly see the cons. The happy-medium is hard to come by since everyone's setup is different.

One of the members here ran ONLY cooling mods and hit mid 13s. So you may think there is no benefit but cooling helps alot. GM was only doing the minimum to keep things from blowing up. While as restrictive as that may be.... it is somewhat effecient(ish) in terms of cooling vs flow. Now that is obviously an opinion of mine because im looking at the big picture of a FI engine that is not a turbo.

I think you should look in to the WHOLE port and polish SC argument and understand how much im against this intake mani. However, given the options, and to not target a select audience, it is a very niche market to get in to.

i agree with this post.... if we could see what is going on.

 

eh, **** it, this is getting too complicated. lol im going turbo with a port and polish of the head.

 

what does that have to do with this thread?

 

nothing, ha ha.


no i was going to wait to see what happened with this to decide, been reading and keeping an eye on it. I just said **** it. It was getting too technical, too much science, I don't believe in science. I believe in shooting from the hip.

 

shooting from the hip... thats how you miss. there is alot that goes into making that one shot count. i take it your not in the military??? probably explains the obama tag

 

seriously? are you really taking what I said that seriously. Get a life. And not that it is any of your business. I wanted to enlist right after 9/11 unfortunately they wouldn't take me, they don't like sprained acls in both knees that I had at the time and ligament damage in my ankle that has arthritis started in it.

 

damn that sucks. i had a 2 mcl tears each in both knees. i just dont say anything.

 

i broke both my arms, and had hernia surgery. they still don't know. /thread jack. cole, where are you sending your deposit?

 

lol hes voting for obama that told me everything about anything that comes out of his mouth - listen to none of it lol.

on topic tho id put down 100 if i had it.....

 

haha, truth about Obama, yeah good idea, ignore the advice of Gen. Petraeus.

 

Wow just saw this thread.... click for later

 

wow wicked, how have you missed this!??

 

its getting up there in popularity

 

Because I've been busy trying to figure out my idle surge/misfire/HORRIBLE mpg/powerloss issue the last 2 months. Kinda haven't been more worried about that than searching new posts. See link below

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/lounge-42/dilema-sell-tvs-sportbike-123310/

 

I think this is one of the most important mods for our cars, can't believe its taken this long...

 

so is anyone doing anything with it or is it just a i might do something here or there thread

 

2 mcl tears? damn that sucks man. I guess you had surgery? How did it work?

and that'll be the end of my threadjack.

Are there any cad drawings or anything?

 

where do i send this 100 i have chillin in my paypal account. PM me back already rebel!!!

ahhaha we posted at the same time. i didnt have surgery. i had alot of Physical therapy though. i can still feel it if i bend my knee a certain way during practice