im only wary of this vendor... but ill put in the R&D $$$ if you guys are going to go through with it.

 

I got 100 bucks, but I'm a little wary too. I'll sit back and see what they come up with. I have no problem paying whatever it will cost if the project actually ends up being a success.

 

Hmmm Interesting. How much will it lower the IAT2's you think?
Shipping to US be an issue? I might jump on this.

 

I don't mind putting the money down and even supplying a core to get started. This would be an excellent chance to gain the trust of many forum members again.

 

I just do not want to put up the money right this second and then the whole plan fall through. I will keep watching and see what rebel replies to everyone.

 

fair enough.

 

The 100 dollars is to get the ball rolling. So people sitting on the $100 is not going to help this cause at all. They are getting committed people, and once 20 people sign up, then they will collect the 100 from everyone. Its not like you are blindly giving them 100 and have nothign happen. They are trying to get 2 g's to start the project. Thats a fairly small investment for what youd get in return. I know most of you are in college and 100 is a lot of money, but trust me it will be worth it. This is the only bolt on that is not available for these cars. If you read the OP this is by PM only. Its not like they are going to release a whole lot of info to the public until we have solid numbers, so if you want the IN you should try to help out! We all appreciate it.

 

yea once i see 20 people sign up and rebel is committed to finishing the product on "said" funds ill send to whatever.

 

waiting for Rebel to respond to all these questions....

 

Once 20 people sign up, we wont need your $100. See what Im saying? Its not like ur gonna be able to send the 100 after the fact and get a sweet deal on the manifold. This thread is to get some money up front for development.

 

Heres the thing depending on the answers to a few questions I'll jump on this.

1.) Change in IAT2's

2.) Change in psi on stock and stage 2 pulley

3.) Obviously we're looking at a more effecient cooling system so how will this effect egt

4.) Time estimates to design test and build the units (I'm okay as long as it isn't a year or something lengthy in that reagards as it gives me time to save up for the final payment.)

5.) I assume the 100 dollars will go to final cost.

I know you'll be testing and don't know exact anwsers but if you can guesstimate what were looking at I'll jump on this if things look good with the answers.

Also if I can keep my stock lower manifold as I want to have it if I go back stock. So I'd pay core charge or go get a spare manifold from a junk yard and send it to you.

Let us know and I'll jump on!

 

if you judge an intake manifold by its affect on egts, please read up on things.

advance, fuel, back pressure, ect all play an effect on things.
with this intake, a retune should be in order, thus changing egt's as is.

take that off your list and the rest looks good.

 

I can answer some of these for you.
1) IAT2s should be lower. How much? Noone will know until it is built.
2) PSI should go DOWN. Remember PSI is built inside of the manifold not in the supercharger, if things are smoother and more freely flowing, CFM should increase and PSI should decrease.
3) I dont think EGT will change a shitload, but I could be wrong. Now if we were going with an intake that didnt have laminovas inside then Id say a huge change.
4)This is discussed in the OP.
5)True, and you will get the unit AT COST or with a small markup.

We need $100 from anyone interested so that all the questions can be answered! Cmon CSSers lets show them we are serious!

 

1) Your IAT2's will also depend on what kind of HE your running. Generally speaking, you will see a significant improvement on IAT's due to the fact that the blower is doing less stacking pre-cooler.

2) Usually we say that psi is bad, and flow is good.... in this case you will oddly enough see more flow and pressure. The bricks WILL have less pressure drop than the laminovas, due tot he lack of stacking on the pre-cooler side (as mentioned above).
Then again.. it will be very dependant on your down stream system.

3) I have my theories, but I'm not too sure... maybe Area will step in with this one.

The other two I can't answer, as this isn't my design.

 

Agreed, which is why I answered #3 the way I did. We sure do have some knowledgable people on here.

 

will the stock m62 work with this?

 

Thanks for the replies guys the reason I ask egt is a theroy of mine as well Omega.

Granted I know where your all coming from with the egt and thats correct I'm referring as in Stage 2 as is will this lower EGT's. I would belive so. Again granted you tune you change things and if it runs cooler egts on straight stage 2 it will give us a greater range of changing timing with out meth of course depending again on back pressure and all other factors. Sorry for not clarifying my question.

Again thanks for replies guys lets see what rebel says.

 

Hmmm... conflicting answers...

Although it cold go either way, due to the description you mentioned (depending on the flow of your system).

One thing, however, it's a given that there will be less difference in pressures form each side of the cooler.

 

i dont think you get me,

i signed up.... i have the $$$.... im not going to send it until there are 20. eg: only 15 people are interested and i sent in 100.00 blindly.

 

its made for the stock m62 and tvs seeing as how they are exactly the same as far mounting

 

if you dont change the tune, and the car pulls the same amount of timeing then your on the correct path.

however, depending on what tune you run that wont happen.

a stage tune for example, timeing changes with cyl airmass, thus the higher flow of this intake manifold will make the car read from a different set of cell's at WOT.

if you have your own town and flat line advance from where your at now, to the end of the map, then you'll have a decent tool to compare things with.

yup, the roots blower stacks in the intake manifold, thus a higher flowing intake manifold will lower the systems Delta-P causing a jump in flow and drop in pressure.

both, the perfect way to make more power.

 

You got it. It just depends. I would think if you had a completely stock car, your PSI would go down, which is good, that means you are flowing the same amount of air (or more) with less effort.

 

I have my ideas as to how that can go either way....

I'll post something shortly....

 

and then physics kicks in.......

if boost were to rise, like the long-ago cam fiasco, i would ditch this thing for a paper weight.

 

Well according to PSE as stated in the orginal thread the psi on a stock pulley is around 18 psi before it hits the manifold and after due to the bottelneck comes out at 12.5psi roughly. Thats a 5.5 psi loss between s/c and post manifold. They state the back pressure of this makes the air go back into the s/c housing. Air which is already hot and the cycle creates the heaton effect we all know and love

So I was wondering if this manifold is going to flow better we should get higher boost therotecily.