oil cooler and balance shaft delete issues
11-07-2009, 07:46 PM
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oil cooler and balance shaft delete issues
do i need my oil cooler? i wouldnt think so but heres why i ask. my machinist effed my block while pressing my sleeves and he got another block. the one he got is from a 2.0saab turbo. the block he bought dosnt have the holes for the oil cooler and hes already got it assembled. i dont want more down time so what do you all think? can it be re-located somewhere or should i just not worry about it? also i got balance shaft deletes from level zero and they dont fit for some reason. my buddy has them and they slid right into his 2.2l ecotec. the balance shafts and the gears are the exact same. why dont they fit? is there something i need to do that i dont know about to make them work or what?
11-07-2009, 07:58 PM
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a remote cooler is not easy but do--able and you can do a remote filter as well, and gee you will be able to bleed the clutch tob easier....so win.
Balance shafts dont fit? dont put them in then . good luck
Balance shafts dont fit? dont put them in then . good luck
11-07-2009, 08:27 PM
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i would not accept his mistakes, i would demand a proper replacement... sounds like he royally fucked this one and is gonna be in the hole big time.
either that or your gonna eat his mistakes and pay for them later down the road, i understand a sleeve install is a difficult process but it sounds like hes not up to the task and i would be worried of his work period.
either that or your gonna eat his mistakes and pay for them later down the road, i understand a sleeve install is a difficult process but it sounds like hes not up to the task and i would be worried of his work period.
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11-08-2009, 02:31 AM
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what part of the lzm balance shaft delete kit are you having issues with??? the bushings need to be driven in, and the front part sometimes needs a little bit of a tap to get them to go into place as they like to **** to one side and jam up a bit.
as for the oil cooler issue, thats a big issue. i believe the block can be drilled for it, id make your machinist do the modifications to mount the factory oil cooler.
as for the oil cooler issue, thats a big issue. i believe the block can be drilled for it, id make your machinist do the modifications to mount the factory oil cooler.
11-08-2009, 09:27 AM
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do i need my oil cooler? i wouldnt think so but heres why i ask. my machinist effed my block while pressing my sleeves and he got another block. the one he got is from a 2.0saab turbo. the block he bought dosnt have the holes for the oil cooler and hes already got it assembled. i dont want more down time so what do you all think? can it be re-located somewhere or should i just not worry about it? also i got balance shaft deletes from level zero and they dont fit for some reason. my buddy has them and they slid right into his 2.2l ecotec. the balance shafts and the gears are the exact same. why dont they fit? is there something i need to do that i dont know about to make them work or what?
11-08-2009, 11:14 AM
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to clarify. i have a balance shaft delete kit from level zero motorsports. not neutral balance shafts. i plan on running no balance shafts at all. as for the my machinsit. he did my buddies 2.2 right before mine with out any issues at all. the guy is damn good. i dunno what his problem is right now. the oil cooler isnt really needed. but the botom line is the work he did is not right and im paying for it. the balance shaft deletes dont work because the sleeves that level zero gave me are too small from what i understand
11-08-2009, 12:42 PM
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dont let him get over on you, he has ins for these type of things he just doesent wanna make a claim i assume. this guy is got you bent over backwards trying to make **** work on a turbo saab block, its not exactly the same i just went threw this while looking for one myself. its not a proper replacement. so i had mine sleeved.
11-08-2009, 02:10 PM
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Bottom line... the oil cooler is there for a reason.
Make sure the job is done properly.
11-08-2009, 02:33 PM
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The bottom line is that "good enough" does not work when building these engines. If you are willing to pay for a job that is just 'good enough' then be prepared to suffer a lot more than you have up to this point. Trust me, I worked with a shop who's motto seemed to be "that's good enough". Well it wasn't and it shouldn't be for anyone else either.
If you have a paint job that is good enough maybe that is okay but if you have an engine that is just "good enough" instead of being 100% correctly done, what do you think the outcome will be?
How soon do you want to be back posting "Built LSJ engine fails, why?"
If you have a paint job that is good enough maybe that is okay but if you have an engine that is just "good enough" instead of being 100% correctly done, what do you think the outcome will be?
How soon do you want to be back posting "Built LSJ engine fails, why?"
11-08-2009, 04:59 PM
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its not NEEDED bottom line. is it good to have? yes.
well it looks to me that my guy is gonna be eating some big costs here cuz im gettin pissed off.
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11-08-2009, 05:55 PM
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^ troof.
really guys..the oil cooler is nice, but it is NOT a needed part. There are PLENTY of 400whp L61's that dont have one... If you have it, great, why not use it? But you dont NEED one.
pison squirters i see as much more valuable, but even those arent needed, just a nice feature.
really guys..the oil cooler is nice, but it is NOT a needed part. There are PLENTY of 400whp L61's that dont have one... If you have it, great, why not use it? But you dont NEED one.
pison squirters i see as much more valuable, but even those arent needed, just a nice feature.
11-08-2009, 06:08 PM
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to my understanding the saab2.0t block was equipped with the oil squirters. im gonna have to call my guy and see what year this block is. he told me its the same casting number so i dont see why the one he bought cant be machined to adapt the oil cooler... but as for it being needed, i have friends with 600+ tubro cars that will heat that oil up aswell and they dont run them. its not like im gonna be running junk mobil1 oil in this thing, ill be using royal purple. RP has much better qualities under higher heat applications than just about anything out there. however i do agree with everyone thus far on the fact that im paying for this engine work and it better be done correctly. i blew my **** up last time around because i half assed stuff and cut corners... that being said, ive learned my lesson.
the block this guy ruined was the one i bought from you by the way...
the block this guy ruined was the one i bought from you by the way...
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11-08-2009, 07:25 PM
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to my understanding the saab2.0t block was equipped with the oil squirters. im gonna have to call my guy and see what year this block is. he told me its the same casting number so i dont see why the one he bought cant be machined to adapt the oil cooler... but as for it being needed, i have friends with 600+ tubro cars that will heat that oil up aswell and they dont run them. its not like im gonna be running junk mobil1 oil in this thing, ill be using royal purple. RP has much better qualities under higher heat applications than just about anything out there. however i do agree with everyone thus far on the fact that im paying for this engine work and it better be done correctly. i blew my **** up last time around because i half assed stuff and cut corners... that being said, ive learned my lesson.
the block this guy ruined was the one i bought from you by the way...
the block this guy ruined was the one i bought from you by the way...
11-09-2009, 03:04 AM
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to my understanding the saab2.0t block was equipped with the oil squirters. im gonna have to call my guy and see what year this block is. he told me its the same casting number so i dont see why the one he bought cant be machined to adapt the oil cooler... but as for it being needed, i have friends with 600+ tubro cars that will heat that oil up aswell and they dont run them. its not like im gonna be running junk mobil1 oil in this thing, ill be using royal purple. RP has much better qualities under higher heat applications than just about anything out there. however i do agree with everyone thus far on the fact that im paying for this engine work and it better be done correctly. i blew my **** up last time around because i half assed stuff and cut corners... that being said, ive learned my lesson.
Mobil one is far from crap too...but the general point of your post is correct