I'm completely staying out of this argument but for the record I'm 29 years old and hardly "beat" on my car. Not some kid who beats the **** out of their Balt. I personally feel it was a few things put togeather that caused my motor to pop. No pointing fingers at anyone like everyone seems to like to do because its easier.

 

I want to know too.... on a 2 lane highway, car loaded with me, wife, 2 kids, luggage, etc, on the way to see family for christmas....at speed, when there is a string of semis to get around in short order.... I should not be afraid of blowing up the car if I floor it.

Bonneville salt flats in September or October, 6000 ft density altitude... I need all gears

I remember a story a month or two back about somebody with an LNF full of buddies flooring it while going uphill, and blaming the resulting damage on the tune....

do tuners really tune THAT irresponsibly?

 

Flooring it in 5th gear puts a ton of strain on the transmission/clutch. It is simply there for cruising and the way the LNF gearing is, 4th gear is extremely long anyway. You should be downshifting to 4th to get around people if you are on the highway.

 

It's not the "flooring it in 5th gear" that causes the issues, it's the "flooring it at a low RPM" that causes the issues. The reason 5th gear usually gets thrown in there is because it takes a lot longer to get out of the low RPMs when floored in 5th versus say 2nd gear. It puts a lot more stress on the engine when at low RPMs. There is a reason a clutch might slip at low RPMs, but be able to hold fine in the upper RPMs. Powell even said that lugging the engine at low RPMs (like 2k RPM) builds a lot of heat. When the valves heat up, they start coking up with carbon and after time the engine can lose compression and have other issues. Plus its a 4 cylinder engine, it is firing a lot less at 2k RPM than a V8 would be at 2k RPM.

 

In 5th gear when you're just cruising at highway speeds.. You floor it & you're prolly gonna make full boost instantly. & not going anywhere.

It puts a tremendous amount of strain on the vehicles transmission

 

Thanks!


There i learned something. Now close this dammed thread.

 

Nah keep it open. Look past the bs and good is being done.

 

That alot of bs to sort thru lol

 

Its a hideous amount of BS, nothing stops someone from making the same damn thread tomorrow its been done over and over again! A moderator should make one sticky post, with a large post that just combines all the posts that matter and offer positive knowledge so someone doesnt have to sort through a million pages.

There are a few posts that are knowledgeable and should definitely be saved to avoid this in the future.

 

I don't see why everyone is trying to blame james on the kid being a *******. Its like when I was smaller my parents bought me a bicycle for xmas and they told me to be careful. I went out and got hit by a jeep so im guessing I should blame my parents for getting it for me.

People need to grow up at some point. Do you guys really expect the drive it hard as hell all the time and nothing to give? The way this kids driving habits were explained then he wouldve blown something even with the stock tune.

 

Lmao howd gettin hit by the jeep feel

 

didnt hurt actually...lol. the part that messed me up was the whole landing on the straight handlebars that were sticking up lol. they almost went through my stomach and killed me but didnt cuz i put my arms and legs out to catch myself. had a big bruise shaped like the handlebar end for more than a month

 

Everyone, a toyotas gas pedal got stuck to the floor and killed someone! Fack blame it I the tune. Oh **** another, the ford raptor chassis issues. Must have been the tune, and holy fact another one.. A kid drove his car cruising and hit some water and hydro locked his engine. Must have been the tune because there wasn't factoring in the tune for this.

Dumbasses

 

We can make examples all day.

Is a salesman at Suzuki accountable for the Hayabusa he sold a 18 year old kid that didnt know how to ride and killed himself on it? Sure he probably tried convincing him to take a 600 for starters but no, he had money and wanted what he wanted.

 

Did u jus take off between 2 parked cars and it u or wut lol i wanna hear the story

 

lmao ill put it in the texas thread so i dont go off topic on this one.

yeah there can be examples that can be made all day like breds said....people that buy the 1200 hp hennesey are more than likely warned on having that much power and using it. if one of them pops something or kills himself i guess we get to blame hennessey for it.

the point of all of them is you cant blame the person providing the service for doing what he is told. James has told me many times why I can't do this with my car and that because of the consequences it will have. I know he wouldn't send someone off with a tune thats bound to blow up the first time you go WOT. He gave him the magical speech that we have all gotten and the kid still decided he not only wanted the tune but that he also wanted to drive it like a douche. He deserved to have his **** blow up on him and it obviously wasn't the tune if his driving habits were ****. You can blow up any car no matter what tune it has if you ride it hard enough

 

i have never seen you point one single finger.... however i bet you are gonna think about who does your tune on the new motor..... i know if it was me i would..... in all my past exp... with css.net only a small handful of guys know what they are doing..... i notice not one single person no matter what side they are on will ever say anything negative about them....


essentially inb4loc........

 

Dumbasses will be dumbasses.. The tune was what he wanted that power level, that aggressive to the point he asked for. Only thing he wanted different was he wanted to be leaner and more timing. So please gtfo with the whole "think about getting a different tuner ****".... I made sure it was safe which was wh I made it richer and took timing out.

 

You're 100% right... I have a lot going through my head right now for the future plans of my car.

This thread should not be locked at all. Keep one thread going where people can bitch about tuners and what they think causes motors to blow and keep the spam out of other threads that don't need it. That's basiclly what this thread was made for. The title of the thread says so.

 

i have never said that anyone person was completly at fault this isent what this is about i have met james and he is honestly a good person but i think that some of the tuners on here could change their views on how they tune and become better and more respected as tuners

 

the thread title basically tells us that u blame james for this, if thats not true the title is misleading then.

 

Stock tune or a aftermarket tune. The engine lasts as long as the owner lets it. If he is a dipship and treats his car horrible. More then likely car won't last. If the owner is smart and understands the car and is respectful car will last. Which is why I always tell people and have conversations about thetunes they get and how to treat the car.

 

Originally Posted by Area47
YOU have to say when it's enough. this is two cars that are publicly known under your hands that have blown up. YOU have to make the judgement call. YOU control the out come of the car. YOU set the playing field for the life of the motor. not the driver.

"its what the customer wants". no, it's not. you have to draw the line. i get it, things happen out of the control of others. blaming the data logger for not showing "kr" is horse ****. pull a spark plug and look at it.

i get it, **** happens. this however, was flat out destruction.

Oh yeah it was an accidental shitty aggressive tune. My bad . Hmmm semen and eyes.hmm good quality post. You definitely raised the bar of awesomeness on CSS.net. lol

 

some got it others dident

i would have to disagree with that to a point

 

Disagree all you want bro, its a fact.... It's a mechanical part heat kills along with treating the car kills engine.