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This ^^^^.
It is funny how every tuner but one agrees that it is the tuner's responsibility to make sure the tune is safe.
Here is what everyone needs to understand.
An aggressive tune CAN be a safe tune. A GOOD tune will be able to take any beating the owner can throw at it. A GOOD tune is aggressive when conditions are perfect and safe when things are not.
Any tune that has the potential to exceed the mechanical limits of the vehicle is NOT an AGGRESSIVE TUNE. IT IS A BAD TUNE!!!!!
It is funny how every tuner but one agrees that it is the tuner's responsibility to make sure the tune is safe.
Here is what everyone needs to understand.
An aggressive tune CAN be a safe tune. A GOOD tune will be able to take any beating the owner can throw at it. A GOOD tune is aggressive when conditions are perfect and safe when things are not.
Any tune that has the potential to exceed the mechanical limits of the vehicle is NOT an AGGRESSIVE TUNE. IT IS A BAD TUNE!!!!!
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Ebristol hit the nail on the head here.. I just wanted to quote it and give Eric a cookie... lol
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Here is the thing prolonged beating will damage the car it's fact. Why do you think gm won't warranty beaten cars or any mfg for that matter. Heat + prolonged abuse will cause the engine to pop .
And you tune your own car so its easier for say you and I to understand what's going on. My Lsj was tuned on a 2.6 meth and everything else from when I bought it to 100k+ till it was totaled out my one of my buddy's lol. I got bad gas, and I knew it. I didn't give the car hell. Meth lasted me a while..
Repetitively being in boost, and creating a lot of heat will terminated mechanical parts e especially frictional components...
And you tune your own car so its easier for say you and I to understand what's going on. My Lsj was tuned on a 2.6 meth and everything else from when I bought it to 100k+ till it was totaled out my one of my buddy's lol. I got bad gas, and I knew it. I didn't give the car hell. Meth lasted me a while..
Repetitively being in boost, and creating a lot of heat will terminated mechanical parts e especially frictional components...
Ebristol hit the nail on the head here.. I just wanted to quote it and give Eric a cookie... lol
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Oh, don't get me wrong.. I"m not placing the blame on you or him without knowing the full story... If dude was actually filling up with 87 and beating on it.. well that's just dumb ... The only thing I'm certain about is that that SOB was knocking.. a lot.. LOL
... The only thing I'm certain about is that that SOB was knocking.. a lot.. LOL
When I was loggin this hhr, 0kr not even tip in... So when it left my hands all was fine. And when I'm done tuning I always show proof of this. Air fuel within the logs, kr, trims, etc. there's a lot of things that cause detonation. Beating te he'll put of the car in the head causes it, fuel, etc. when I tuned it the car was tuned in 80*\90* weather... And I stated the obvious. Be smart don't wot all the time, be responsible and so on.
Did this kid have a interceptor to watch his knock? I get the feeling this kid didnt have any gauges to watch knock and decided he couldnt afford 93 octane anymore so started putting in low grade gas thinking it would be fine and this is where things got bad, i know James would have never sent this kid home with a tune knocking.
Trifecta has NEVER blow a motor, A part caused the failure on cars tunned by Trifecta, the tune itself had nothing to do with it and logs dont lie nor tune programs. Finally if you want a tune your vehicle cant handle then thats at your own risk to do so and your own fault, so the only person to blame would be yourself since You wanted the tune and knew the risks, otherwise this tunner should have told said OP that it may blow! So both are to blame tunner and owner if thats the case.
I am also not here to point fingers, but rather to give my take on things. I agree that people often ask for an "aggressive tune", and while it can be fun to have the "OK" to put the car on the edge to see how quick it can be, it is also irresponsible. Again, not saying you did James, just stating a general fact.
I have personally tuned 2 cars that no longer have running engines in them, that is fact. So that is out of the way. The first is an 02 WRX that had 150k some miles on it and original oil pump, water pump, etc. Ran it tuned on 91 by me for about a year on 18 lbs and then wanted E85 and 20 lbs. He was still running the factory baby TMIC and I advised him to get a larger unit, but in the mean time I made damn sure the car pulled timing if IAT's got hot...which they often did lol. He ran it on E85 and 20 lbs from the little td04 for about 6k miles until he decided to do a 40 roll to 150+ against a friends bolt on 98 cobra. I posted the vid over a year ago, they were WOT for 37 seconds He then proceeded to race him again but quickly fell back about 6 cars and learned what heatsoak meant. The next day the car spun a bearing, as the factory oiling system was just not having it during the races. Common problem for the ej205 unfortunately. He rebuilt it with a 2.1 stroker with 08 STi oil pump and 20g and listened to me and went FMIC and we tuned it on 22lbs and she has been running strong since.
The next car was an 08 sentra spec V. This is a friend who I tuned on meth and 9 lbs, then the next year he wanted more, so we went E85 and 13 lbs on the treadstone 50 trim. He then made it his goal to take the stock block B16 gen sentra record on full wieght. A few months later he asked if Id go to 15 lbs, and I told him be careful with the rods, which he knew was the weak point. He then after a few months wanted to run 16.5 lbs and planned on buying another motor and building it. I agreed and made him sign a waiver saying its in his hands, and we did tuned it on 16.5. It ran well for a few months, then we went to the track. He ran a 12.2 @118.5 first run with a 2.0 60' and broke the record at the time, then he wanted 11's. He tried launching different on his 26x10.5" slicks and couldnt run faster 60's. The next run I dont know if he turned up the boost (said he didnt) or if the qr25 had had enough but he threw a rod right out the block when boost hit in 4th. He towed it home and starting building the new block. Will be done soon I'm told.
On the other side if the spectrum I have a friend with another 02 WRX that has 175k miles on it that Ive tuned a few setups for. Although he has a new oil pump and water pump. First 91 and 17 lbs at about 145k miles, then E85 and 20 lbs on just an STi TMIC at about 160k. Current setup is an HTA68 ported 8cm^2 (47 lb/min), FMIC and E85 on 24lbs. Been like that for about 10k. He wanted it mean, but not on the edge, which an ej205 may not be the strongest motor, but keep the heat away and keep a safety margin and they will take some power. Only on 24* up top (remember this is a subaru, not an ecotec). Ran at the track, launching at 5500 rpms 2 step, poor lego trans!, spinning a bit cutting a 1.8 60' ran an 11.9 @115, again with 175k miles. Although the trans finally gave out saturday night.
This post wasn't to brag or start anything, but rather to show that in certain situations the end user may be KNOWINGLY putting their own car at risk for a certain goal, and how even with much weaker motors than our LSJ's and LNF's, with the proper safety margin, power and longevety CAN go hand in hand.
I have personally tuned 2 cars that no longer have running engines in them, that is fact. So that is out of the way. The first is an 02 WRX that had 150k some miles on it and original oil pump, water pump, etc. Ran it tuned on 91 by me for about a year on 18 lbs and then wanted E85 and 20 lbs. He was still running the factory baby TMIC and I advised him to get a larger unit, but in the mean time I made damn sure the car pulled timing if IAT's got hot...which they often did lol. He ran it on E85 and 20 lbs from the little td04 for about 6k miles until he decided to do a 40 roll to 150+ against a friends bolt on 98 cobra. I posted the vid over a year ago, they were WOT for 37 seconds
He then proceeded to race him again but quickly fell back about 6 cars and learned what heatsoak meant. The next day the car spun a bearing, as the factory oiling system was just not having it during the races. Common problem for the ej205 unfortunately. He rebuilt it with a 2.1 stroker with 08 STi oil pump and 20g and listened to me and went FMIC and we tuned it on 22lbs and she has been running strong since.The next car was an 08 sentra spec V. This is a friend who I tuned on meth and 9 lbs, then the next year he wanted more, so we went E85 and 13 lbs on the treadstone 50 trim. He then made it his goal to take the stock block B16 gen sentra record on full wieght. A few months later he asked if Id go to 15 lbs, and I told him be careful with the rods, which he knew was the weak point. He then after a few months wanted to run 16.5 lbs and planned on buying another motor and building it. I agreed and made him sign a waiver saying its in his hands, and we did tuned it on 16.5. It ran well for a few months, then we went to the track. He ran a 12.2 @118.5 first run with a 2.0 60' and broke the record at the time, then he wanted 11's. He tried launching different on his 26x10.5" slicks and couldnt run faster 60's. The next run I dont know if he turned up the boost (said he didnt) or if the qr25 had had enough but he threw a rod right out the block when boost hit in 4th. He towed it home and starting building the new block. Will be done soon I'm told.
On the other side if the spectrum I have a friend with another 02 WRX that has 175k miles on it that Ive tuned a few setups for. Although he has a new oil pump and water pump. First 91 and 17 lbs at about 145k miles, then E85 and 20 lbs on just an STi TMIC at about 160k. Current setup is an HTA68 ported 8cm^2 (47 lb/min), FMIC and E85 on 24lbs. Been like that for about 10k. He wanted it mean, but not on the edge, which an ej205 may not be the strongest motor, but keep the heat away and keep a safety margin and they will take some power. Only on 24* up top (remember this is a subaru, not an ecotec). Ran at the track, launching at 5500 rpms 2 step, poor lego trans!, spinning a bit cutting a 1.8 60' ran an 11.9 @115, again with 175k miles. Although the trans finally gave out saturday night.
This post wasn't to brag or start anything, but rather to show that in certain situations the end user may be KNOWINGLY putting their own car at risk for a certain goal, and how even with much weaker motors than our LSJ's and LNF's, with the proper safety margin, power and longevety CAN go hand in hand.
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Ebristol hit the nail on the head here.. I just wanted to quote it and give Eric a cookie... lol
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Since everyone else was quoting mileage on their tunes.. my lsj is at 171k.. has been tvs'ed since 80,000 miles. It has survived bad fuel (phase separated fuel, in fact).. it has survived a methanol pump locking up twice... It has survived two intercooler pumps failing.. It has survived this because it still has safety nets in the tune and It's easy to notice a 50hp loss because the car is pulling a ridiculous amount of timing when something goes wrong.. It still makes 348hp on this tune..
The parts in the pictures died because of prolonged knock.... el fin..
Just thought I'd ask.
He never mentioned it in this thread. Only that logs showed no Kr. Which is all fine and dandy, but knock sensors don't pick up pre-ignition. Which could happen from high boost levels and heat. And show no kr.
He never mentioned it in this thread. Only that logs showed no Kr. Which is all fine and dandy, but knock sensors don't pick up pre-ignition. Which could happen from high boost levels and heat. And show no kr.
