pick your tuner wisely
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From: Gering, Nebraska
the guy wanted an aggressive tune. he got an aggressive tune and ultimately paid the consequences for it. what the **** is the big deal. buncha candy asses that want tons of hp but dont want to pay for it.
I think what meat wagon is trying to say is that this guy obviously didn't understand what he was asking for if the story went down exactly as James said.
And he should have known better. THAT is where fault lies with the tuner. Yes my example earlier was extreme but holds true nonetheless.
And he should have known better. THAT is where fault lies with the tuner. Yes my example earlier was extreme but holds true nonetheless.
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From: Gering, Nebraska
idk what else could have been done tho. kid wanted an aggressive tune, james explains the consequences of the aggressiveness. kid was too ignorant (with all due respect) to know what was going on. blew his **** up. i see no major fault of the tuner. i think my skydiving example fits perfectly here. If James didn't warn the kid as to what could happen...then by all means...id point my finger at him too. But thats not the case here. stuff like this is going to happen when you get young ppl driving "performance" cars. young and dumb and dont think ahead. (im going to include myself in that group too).
This is an example of a customer requesting a service from a service provider. If the customer wanted an aggressive tune then the customer wanted an aggressive tune... If the tuner warned him and he still wanted the aggressive tune then why is that the tuners fault? All Im saying is that if the customer was warned then the decision was on the customer. All so perhaps Im off on this detail, but it didn't blow up right away right?
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i asked around a few ppl. they told me it was okay. after i was panicking
i have seen spikes into single digit numbers before
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From: KY
Why can you ppl not understand this? It's about being responsible and ethical. If you know a customer is going to destroy their motor with your tune THEN YOU DON'T ******* TUNE IT! THAT IS BEING COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE!
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From: Gering, Nebraska
If thats the case then nobody should be tuning. even safe tunes will eventually break something.
that being said. im done arguing my case to somebody that just joined 3 ******* days ago purely to stir **** up.
that being said. im done arguing my case to somebody that just joined 3 ******* days ago purely to stir **** up.
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From: KY
Goes to show how arrogant you are. I've been arounf here quite a while just never created an account till now. I joined cue I was sick of you arrogant ***** refusing so see the truth.
2ndly, this case here IS a result of extreme detonation from an improper tune. It's a not a matter of opinion.
To say no one should be tuning is absurd. Stock cars have a "tune" on them. Gm stage tunes are warrantied. Area's cars last forever as well as several of the originals.
Get your head out of your ass
2ndly, this case here IS a result of extreme detonation from an improper tune. It's a not a matter of opinion.
To say no one should be tuning is absurd. Stock cars have a "tune" on them. Gm stage tunes are warrantied. Area's cars last forever as well as several of the originals.
Get your head out of your ass
Wanted an aggressive tune/got warned about the possible outcome/said doesnt matter i want it aggressive/got wut he asked for/ blew it up...im going with it being the owners fault for getting greedy with the power
This was far beyond aggressive to cause this kind of damage.
Can both sides be blamed? Yes, the driver asked and received and now suffering the consequences...the tuner gave his input on y not to do it but could have said no but he warned him and then gave the owner wut he wanted
This is exactly what I'm thinking too. I remember back in the day, Trifecta started offering 30psi "infiniboost" tunes because people kept asking for them. They wanted super aggressive tunes that netted them and extra 10 wtq from a big boost spike, and an extra 5 whp at the top. I remember those engines were popping like balloons in a room full of needles. Everyone was up in arms that Vince was such a bad person, why was he selling tunes that blow up people's cars, etc. The same bullshit that's going on in here. If the person is dumb enough to ask for a super aggressive tune and run the **** out of it, I'm sorry but you're just asking to pop your motor and I don't feel sorry for you in the least. There's a reason I'm only running GMS1 because, bash it all you want about being rich and low on power, it is the only tune I feel comfortable running for a full day at Road America.
How. Driver didn't tune it.
It's like a parent gives a 3yr old a go kart instead of a power wheels. Kid runs it into a wall and breaks stuff. You don't say "welp he shoulda known better than to drive it that way"
NO
You blame the parent for being completely irresponsible
It's like a parent gives a 3yr old a go kart instead of a power wheels. Kid runs it into a wall and breaks stuff. You don't say "welp he shoulda known better than to drive it that way"
NO
You blame the parent for being completely irresponsible
i think my skydiving one is wayyy better
Fan club? Ive said its all preference and i also stated idk much bout tuning so he may hav been to aggressive however he also warned the owner of possible outcomes....im not backing him up or blaming him, if hes at fault then he is but if he warned him and the owner still wanted it and beat on the car then its the owner being greedy
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From: california
Id say area and 06black are some of the innovators and the most intelligent people on this forum. Said it before and ill allways back those guys as well they have had year's of car's putting down serious #'s And IMHO are innovators as they have pushed this platform in so many different ways! This is a great thread!
Beating on the car is a moot point because Well if it's not mechanical negligence then it's the tune! It could have blown in any gear if it was the tune that caused it. Saying fifth gear pulls is what caused it is also moot as the car's moving so much air thru the RAD and intercooler keeping temps down so once again if it's not a mechanical issue then what is it? The tune.
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That is all fine and dandy and I agree with the wastegate thing, but that's not what happened here. There was no mechanical failure to blame.
You seem to have a habit of using examples that have nothing to do with the issue at hand in an attempt to explain fault away from yourself.
If you really spent an hour telling this guy it was a bad idea, then you were fully aware of it. And if after an hour he still wanted it anyway, they you should have said obviously this guy doesn't get it and told him no. Of after an hr lecture he didn't get then obviously he didn't understand what was going on.
The thing is, I think you could be great. But you don't listen, you don't take blame, and you pop off constantly.
You seem to have a habit of using examples that have nothing to do with the issue at hand in an attempt to explain fault away from yourself.
If you really spent an hour telling this guy it was a bad idea, then you were fully aware of it. And if after an hour he still wanted it anyway, they you should have said obviously this guy doesn't get it and told him no. Of after an hr lecture he didn't get then obviously he didn't understand what was going on.
The thing is, I think you could be great. But you don't listen, you don't take blame, and you pop off constantly.