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Old 10-01-2018, 07:10 AM
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I would never weld them in and go through all that hassle until I knew for a fact that it was gonna run that fast. Honestly I seriously doubt you will be in the 7's. Low 9's maybe, but I wouldn't worry about it. See how fast it is first and then run up against your limit for the cage. Guys do it all the time. You don't have to shoot for the moon right now, plenty of time to change it down the road. I know a lot guys running full on v8 drag cars with nos or turbos that can't even get to a 9.00.
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Old 10-01-2018, 08:56 AM
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I second run it with the cage in it and see where you end up. At the least you'll be able to work on your 1/8 mile if the car is fast enough to need a 7.5second cage. That will also allow you to enjoy the car some, and keep your finish date closer than pushing it further out.
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Old 10-01-2018, 11:37 AM
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I would never weld them in and go through all that hassle until I knew for a fact that it was gonna run that fast. Honestly I seriously doubt you will be in the 7's. Low 9's maybe, but I wouldn't worry about it. See how fast it is first and then run up against your limit for the cage. Guys do it all the time. You don't have to shoot for the moon right now, plenty of time to change it down the road. I know a lot guys running full on v8 drag cars with nos or turbos that can't even get to a 9.00.
Iím not concerned about making it to the 7ís as curb weight with me in the car is only going to be 2300 lbs. All of parts are designed for utilizing as much of the horsepower created by the race prepped 427 cid motor and the V7 YSI-B. On top of that the chassis is built to get all of that horsepower to the ground while keeping traction.

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I second run it with the cage in it and see where you end up. At the least you'll be able to work on your 1/8 mile if the car is fast enough to need a 7.5second cage. That will also allow you to enjoy the car some, and keep your finish date closer than pushing it further out.
i hear both of you about running what I have especially to get a baseline with all that I have. I also donít like putting it all together just to tear it apart to start changing things. Itís not so simple to modify the cage as NHRA as strict rules about modifying a certified roll cage.

Having said all of that, moving forward without all of the added cost and time of adding to the cage is very appealing to me. As it has been said to me, 8.5 is still a fast time..
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Old 10-01-2018, 12:24 PM
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8.5 in a Cobalt is crazy quick.

I know our track out here near WInnipeg can barely hold the power needed to run that quick.
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Old 10-01-2018, 03:11 PM
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at this point i would agree with getting the cage certified to 8.50 and forget making the changes at this point. ive been around drag racing my whole life, i can tell you its gonna take you at least a season to get to the point where you will need the cage upgraded. its gonna take you time to get licenced and get comfortable in the car, along with getting the chassis ironed out. i have no doubt that it will be capable of making the power to run 7.50, but it takes time to get there. after you have run the car for a while and had some satisfaction, then make the changes. i understand not wanting to have to redo work, however in a race car you always making changes, and adding bars into a cage isnt really going backwards.

there is also the whole thing of if you actually are going to be comfortable going faster. people who havent done it will laugh, but if your not comfy going those speeds, you dont take the car to that next level. i helped put a car together about 10 years ago for a racer i knew. he bought a retired warren johnson pro-stock car, he drove it as an 8 second comp eliminator car and decided to take it to the next level. we helped him with an older blown BAE hemi, essentially a top alcohol funny car engine from the mid 90s, along with a crower clutch and a lenco. by the time he finished licencing it was clear he was scared of the car. the last pass he shut it off at 1000', it coasted through with 7.20 at 197 mph. we were sure that with a couple slight tune up changes the car could have gone a 6.60-6.70, but we never got a chance to, he took the car home parked it for a year, then sold it.
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Old 10-01-2018, 10:17 PM
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I can't imagine going that fast honestly. I've rode in 10 second cars and that would be good enough for me.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:52 PM
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Thanks for all of the feed back guys, I appreciate it. I have thought this over and I am choosing to move forward without modifying the cage at this time. I'll ask the NHRA what the process is to do this at a later time. The added cost right now is better spent on getting the project to the street/track . I do know that 8.5 is fast and it will take a some additional setup to get the shorter wheel base to play nice at those speeds. As mentioned before in this thread we managed to stretch the wheel base from 103" to 104.5" which is still .5" shorter than the desired 105" wheel base. I am to much of a rookie to completely appreciate how much that .5" still makes this shorter wheel base a bit more snarly on the drag strip.

As for the need to know whether or not I am going to be comfortable going those speeds that my car I have already learnt that. When Resnick was still working on the project he said the same thing, that it was going to take some time to learn how to be able to drive at these speeds. Just because I had driven fast my whole driving life Resnick said it was going to take more time than I probably wanted it to. After that I paid to go to the NHRA's authorized drag racing school down in Gainesville, Florida. Over the course of 2 days we were taught the fundamentals needed to drive a 700HP Pro-Mod car. With in the first 2 hours we were strapped in and ready to make pass. The passes were incremental starting at 200', 600', 1,000' and finally 1,320'.The first day I made 4 passes. When I did the 600' pass I thought to myself afterwards, 'did I make a mistake building my car?'. My car was going to be faster than the Pro-Mod car that what I was learning on. You see I had never lined up at a drag strip before, never. That was my first time. The last run of the day was the 1,000' run. When I did my burnout it was perfect. The car filled with smoke and I could taste the rubber. Then I launched the car for a run that I want to say was awesome. In fact it was my best reaction time of the day .098. When that run was done I no longer had a shred of doubt that this was for me. Even to this day when I think of my time on the track I smile from ear to ear. Those of you that race will know what I mean. I'm posting up my timeslips from the course. In fact I had so much fun I paid for an extra run because I loved it so much. When you look at the slips keep in mind that this was done in a very short time, from rookie to NHRA licence for 7.5 seconds in the quarter mile. There was one guy at the course who discovered that it was too fast for him and he dropped out the first day there so I know that this power/speed isn't for everyone. You should of seen Resnick's face when I came back from the course and showed him my license.

I know that when the car goes to the track that I will be doing the exact same procedure with starting off with shorter runs to get the suspension dialed in. I won't just be doing the setup by myself. I know a company that I will hire that specializes in tuning race suspensions at the track on a test and tune day and dial in the suspension as we take the car through some shorter runs to ensure it's safety prior to doing complete runs. After the suspension is properly setup then I will be doing the required runs to renew my NHRA license which is all I need because I have already been licensed for 7.5 seconds.

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Nice, I didn't know you had already done the school, that's cool!
Starting slow is great because it takes a little bit of experience to react to the car, especially at the top end. Plus you won't get bored to quick.
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Nice, I didn't know you had already done the school, that's cool!
Doing the training was really cool and for anyone who wants the experience of big HP without building a car I say 'do the course, it's awesome'. One day I'll spend the money and go to NASCAR training at Dale Earnhardt's school because I hear it's awesome too.
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Starting slow is great because it takes a little bit of experience to react to the car, especially at the top end. Plus you won't get bored to quick.
Learning will always be an on going thing and I agree that there is plenty things that someone is only going to learn with seat time behind the wheel. I've wanted to do this for a long time so I can't imagine getting board.

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i will say, there is a lot of difference between 9.0s and 7.50, but your on the right track.

as for upgrading the cage later, all you have to do is make the necessary changes and have it certified for 7.50, its not a real big deal. the chassis has to be recertified every 2 years anyways.
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I have been told to expect that difference between 9's and 7's which is why I plan to do incremental runs when I finally get to the track. It worked well at drag school so I'll follow the same program. I look forward to finally being able to experience those differences for myself and the smile that going down the drag strip in my own car will bring.
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What kind of fab do you need Rod? Just the floor cut out so the guy can weld the tubes to the chassis rail and then put the floor back together? I can do that.
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What kind of fab do you need Rod? Just the floor cut out so the guy can weld the tubes to the chassis rail and then put the floor back together? I can do that.
Hi Deej, glad to see you are still around. What he needs is the floor cut away as he is concerned about cutting into the rectangle tubes that make up the chassis/frame. He also wants to have the tubes cut/coped to fit as the kit is universal so all the tubes are long. He admits that he's a really good welder but his fabrication skills leave a bit to be desired.

I am happy to have your help if you have some time.
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I can get hold of a tube notching jig to cope the tubes. I have a variety of tools of mass destruction to get the floor out of the way. Send me your phone number [email protected] I don't have yours anymore
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