Halfcent

Um, You haven't burst my bubble yet. I said the 2.2L, which uses the F23, has that ratio (3.84), so you haven't contradicted me. The 2.4L uses a final drive of 3.91.

NoRemorse

Let me get this straigt, the 2.4 has forgen internals... but the 2.0 LSJ dosn't. I don't think that is an accurate statement.

cobaltR

the ss/sc has forged internals

avro206

please....a 5 spedd LS can beat a 5 speed 2.4L SS? haha--good one! Your completely ignoring the hp and torque curves. Don't just concentrate on peak numbers.

a 2.4 can waste a 2.2. I am trapping 91 mph at 3500 feet.

As for weight..well that depends some what on options. Mine weighs 2815.

FYI--a 5 speed 2.4 SS is roughly 0.5 sec faster in the 1/4 mile

avro206

I know what you said----I mean the F23 has the 3.84 final drive ratio for both the 2.2 and the 2.4---I e-mailed GM and will post the answer I get. I am not ure I buy your attached image....where is that from?

All we have to do to prove---go out on the highway... go 65mph (or what ever speed you want) drop it in 5th gear and post the rpms....be exact as you can. Then I'll do it at the same speed and post back

Halfcent

I can't help you with your experiment, I have an auto. I got that data from my local dealership today. I went to pick up a part, look at some new 2007 models, and to try and find this exact piece of paper. I knew that I had heard somewhere that the 2.4 had a different final drive ratio as a result of a different differential gear ratio. I believe I first read it in a magazine review of the 2.4 SS. I scanned that data from the retail model quick reference guide that the sales people use. I have been trying to find more data sources on-line, but striking out. I'll look up some other sources over the weekend.

avro206

damn...oh well.


Like you---I am going by published data.

GM canada says 3.84 for both the 2.2 and 2.4

Just go the Chevrolet.com----look under the specs for the 2.4L---"not yet published??

Funny its been on GM Canadas site for at least 8 months! Go look under HHR--not yet published for the gear ratios.

This will just show you the sheer laziness/incompetence of whoever is resonsible for the US site. I mean, what to do you trust when they can't even have current, readily availbe data?

And tow different final drive ratios for a CDN and US car? Makes no sense. We don't even have any government mandated CAFE up here.....so why would we use a final drive for better mileage when we don't have to?

bykryder83

iTrader: (1)

i worked for gm for 2 years i drove all of them....anyone who can drive olll a bone stock ls 5 speed vs a ss 2.4 5 speed would tell you a 2.2 would win its a power to weight ratio thing the 2.4 ss is along the lines of luxury as the 2.2 ls coupe is a far lighter car

snowbred

minus the 17s how is an 2.2 ls coupe lighter than a 2.4 ss... given that you equip them the same..

Brandon97Z

iTrader: (1)

I'll let the times speak for themselves.

06G5GT

What does an SS have for weight over an LS. Let's see. A/C which will probably add 60lbs. ABS should be good for 10lbs. The wing which is probably 10lbs. P/W and P/L add 10lbs. Pioneer system add 10 lbs. So that's about 100lbs difference which is about right according to GM specs. So somehow 26hp cannot make up a 100lb difference?

Besides, the weight difference would make the cars even at the line. Once moving, aerodynamic drag plays a huge part. The LS doesn't have the high rpm power to keep up to an SS. The faster you go, the larger margin the SS wins.

ecotecon18s

According to the dealer brochure in front of me, it says the SS's come with a fully synchronized five speed automatic...

Halfcent

Um, huh? Well, um, yeah, that's wrong.

PenguinPIE

iTrader: (5)

five speed auto?!!! in a GM car??!!!

nah ....maybe its a typo

06G5GT

GM doesn't even have a 5 speed FWD auto unless Saab has one not listed and it certainly wouldn't be found on the Cobalt. Last I heard they were jumping from 4 speed to 6 speed.

PenguinPIE

iTrader: (5)

i hope thats what they would do. GM needs 6 speed auto tranny so badly and a lot of ppl consider 4 speed as "old technology".

IonNinja

there is no way in hell that GM would make a more expensive, more powerful version of the Cobalt SLOWER than the LS. for one, luxury and Cobalt is an oxymoron (its a 20K car) and second its performance oriented which is why it has the SS badges. they aren't gonna make their econobox version quicker than one of the performance oriented models.

also the 1/4 mile times speak for itself... low 15's/mid 15's vs high 15's/low 16's

avro206

whats with the stupid people? LS faster then an SS---stay off the crack please

NJHK

"Did someone say crack?"

Jasper

Thats funny......I ran against an ion with a 2.2 with injen intake, headers, and full exhaust setup. And if you know anything about the difference between the 2, the ion is almost 150lbs. lighter then the cobalts. I beat him by almost two cars. Its sad you 2.2 think you have something until you run against an SS. And then through out the whole "well you spent more on your car....." Well with all the mods you need to keep up with us, your spending just as much.

bykryder83

iTrader: (1)

that is funny my car stock ran a 15.6 and with my aem cai it ran a 15 flat so yeah,and if you want to get technical about the ss yeah they also make a malibu maxx and reg malibu with ss badges they are luxury leather,power everything,sunroof, 17 inch wheels,disc brakes all around,premium sound,cruise control,ect yeah with all of that extra weight they need the little bit larger 2.4 its not much different than the 2.2 and all of you with the 2.0 ss/sc all your car is,is the 2.2 destroked and supercharged so if you knock on the 2.2 your cutting yourself down

bykryder83

iTrader: (1)

well if ur ever out in indiana ill run ya hell i even give ya half a car length

PenguinPIE

iTrader: (5)

well slower or faster ........one thing for sure is that the SS has better handling :P

Brandon97Z

iTrader: (1)

I'm from Indiana wanna run?

avro206

Malibis SS does have leather or sunroof standard. It has a 3900 V6 auto as the only powertrain.

You cannot pick up 0.6 from an air intake