lil_kano

So i was reading a thread earlier that had a comment from one of the HPT guys. He said they probably won't support the 2005-06 cobalt because there isn't enough intrest and because GM changed the ECU in the 07 model. So, i would think that if we were to show them how much intrest is on here, at least, they might reconsider. Also if you know of other people, who aren't on here, post for them. Lets see if we can get some tuning!!!

Forgot to add the optionability of having an automatic transmision. Autos FTW!!

tonio5555

I'd buy HPTuners credits the day 2.2 tuning is released, that very day lol. My first reaction to this is to be negative since HPT has been pulling our chain for so long on this first saying they'd support it eventually to just now saying they won't support it at all. If HPTuners doesnt come through, and I really wish they would because they make an excellent program, I'll have to give my business to SCT whom we know has cracked the ECM to tune the Garrett Turbo tune.


Might as well give it one last shot, so everyone vote!

Doc

it won't happen...
just go get SCT

lil_kano

...thank for the support. lol.

an0malous

you have to think of it from a purely business point of view.
the ss/sc is sold with performance in mind, so theres a high likelyhood that HPtuners can garnish a good number of sales for the effort involved in providing support to that pcm.
Alot can be done with it right out of the box, as its already F/I

can they truely say that about the 2.2 pcm....
are you likely to sell HPT to many 2.2 owners other than those going F/I....which from a business point of view...is very few.

realistically, they probably realise that 99% of 2.2 owners arent interested in serious performance to the point where $700 tuning software is a reality.

this is just my thoughts on it.

tonio5555

I think we'd need at least like 200 responses for HPTuners to seriously rethink their position on the e16a.

Doc

I agree....if you had 200 people who were set to buy the box I think they might consider it.

an0malous

agreed.

but i think youll be lucky to get a 1/10th of that to actually commit

lil_kano

as much as that ^^^ may be true, who knows how many people would consider getting a 2.2l cobalt because it has potential. or from another point of view, no one talks about F/I a cobalt because there is no tuning like this.

they would probably be surprised by the amount of people that would consider this.

also, what about nitrous application? it is somewhat cheaper, but tuning can be utilized with cam gears and other bolt-ons to make for a more stable system.

there so much to consider...

tonio5555

Who the hell voted no? lol

lil_kano

That would be TurboTommy....lmao.

Doc

I actually just read the post from HPTuner and he mentioned that it likely wouldn't occur for the 05-06 2.2 since they no longer use the same computer. Your only hope is that GM uses that same computer on a car in the future.

an0malous

2.4s have the tuning. how many of those are F/I. 5? 10?
and thats even more performance oriented than the 2.2

I wish you guys the best of luck. but i just dont think HPtuners will see an oppertunity to make any money from the 2.2 pcm.

REDFOCZ

I voted yes, even though you will have a better chance with SCT since its already been cracked by them.

lil_kano

how many 2.4s use the HPT software never-the-less for F/I or not? probably quite a few...

the 2.2s can use it in the same way.

thanks for the support anyway man. +rep

Thanks redfocz!

REDFOCZ

I use HPTuners and I am not F/I

tonio5555

Everyone also please register here and vote in the SCT poll. http://www.sctflash.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7575

Already almost 50 responses on there, plus we know for a fact that SCT has cracked the ECM.

lil_kano

lol. i tried to register and it said the admins banned my email. i don't know why. i tried another email address and it did the same thing



TurboTommy, you suck by the way!! lol.

an0malous

hehe i didnt say there wasnt any....
but like i said, you have to think of it from a HPtuners business standpoint.

is 10-20 unit sales worth their outlay in setting up support for a PCM?
is 50?
who knows. but thats whats holding it back now i think.

If you can prove theres a big enough market....they will bite

lil_kano

I think that anyone who votes "no" should be beaten with nail infested sticks!!!!

i'm going to start a new thread for eveyone to vote on this idea....lol.

danielje

Realistically from a business point of view, there is absolutely no reason they couldnt work on the 2005 ECUs in their free time. Many people's engine warranties are running short and alot of people, including myself wont change anything in the engine block or try to force induce the engine because they dont want to void their warranties.

I KNOW that the HPT guys will eventually support the 2005-06 models because there will be high demand for those ECUs pretty soon, and if THEY dont do it, then at the very least GM will start offering ECU reflashing and 2.2l super-charging.

And even if they dont, then that just means ALL of that business will shift from hpt and gm onto piggy back fuel controllers and aftermarket turbo's and SCs. You gotta think, lots of people who are interested in supercharging their 2.2ls are just waiting for their warranties to expire, because by the time they expire their cars are mostly paid off and buying a new car isnt sucha big deal if need be.

Come on HPTuners, dont forsake us, you know there is a demand for the cobalts, dont make us give our business to other places just because GM changed the ECU in 07.

tonio5555

Well I doubt the HPT guys are going to be losing any sleep over the fact that the 2.2's don't have tuning. That being said I know they aren't going to be staying up late nights to crack the e16a when they could be devoting that time to cars with much much bigger markets than the 2.2 Cobalts. I agree with you though the warranties are expiring and people want to start serious modding.

It's like I'm eat because I'm unhappy and I'm unhappy because I eat. There is no tuning because "there is no demand," but there is also no demand because there is no tuning out. Plenty of people need to see, "wow so and so t/c-ed his 2.2 and tuned it with HPT now he's running 12's" type stuff so they are inspired to do the same. What it all comes down to is HPT needs to see that there is money to be made on these ECM's. As much money as the LSJ cars or the V8's? No, of course not, but I do honestly believe that there is enough demand for tuning to make the e16a ecm crack financially viable.

sunfirejoe

iTrader: (1)

they have stated in the past, and the reason u havent seen it done, is b/c they dont want to, there too many pcm's out there for the 2.2 cobalt from my understanding, just bug the hell out of the SCT

Jn2

iTrader: (1)

i wrote to hptuners, and they wrote back that they would start working on it sometime next year...i have the email still in my inbox, but am to lazy to open and and get an exact quote...**** it, hold on...
"We'll probably look into it more sometime next year."
thats all they wrote back to me, i wrote them a god damn paragraph, and they respond to me w/a sentence...BS...AEM piggyback is the way to go

lil_kano

has anyone noticed that the ones who say "no" are either 2.0 or 2.4 owner? are you guys scared or something? what honest reason is there to not want to support or help others for a good cause.