jay4901

hey everyone, i'm new to the forums so i thought id have my first thread be about my build. i'm looking for ideas for a na build, the more power the better but i'm curious as to the capability of my engine without forced induction. my current thoughts were:
1. bigger injectors and aftermarket fuel pump(zzp)
2. new stage 2 engine head from fmsr
3. new pistons/rods/bearings and higher compression
4. new intake manifold from turbotechracing
5. water/methanol injection
6. new/rebuilt stage 1 transmission from fmsr
7. hptuners(hardwiring netbook into the car to tune) and get files sent from zzp
8. new engine/tranny mounts(need help finding these)

i currently don;t have much, cold air intake, cat back and high flow cat/dp and a jet stage 2 performance chip. should i go with hp tuners or the jet dynamic spectrum tuner?

like i said just looking for some more ideas for the build. i'm no car expert, my list is what i thought would be good for a nice na build.

also, looking anywhere from 200-400 whp! any help/advice would be greatly appreciated!

sc4door

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You'd be lucky to break 180 whp and you'd have several thousand invested. You could easily piece together a supercharger kit for less than 2 thousand and make over 200 hp

jay4901

really? i thought id make a little more than 30 hp with everything i listed alone

Staged07SS

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stay away from fmsr.

sc4door

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You're rated at 145 crank hp but probably making somewhere around 120whp. 180 whp would be a very generous guess at gains on a na 2.2

jay4901

why? i'm just asking because i found them randomly and they look legit

jay4901

also, does anyone know of a way to use the ingalls stiffy torque damper on our cars? looks like it would be useful

jay4901

if i end up making 180whp my crank would be putting out around 200 right? wouldn't it just be a matter of getting the power to the ground at that point? which i'm assuming new mounts can help with?

Jesse

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There are things you don't need for a NA build that you listed. They are:
1: Fuel pump. Yours will support way more than 200whp.
2: FMSR is a scam company. If you want you can buy a spare cylinder head and either port it yourself like I'm doing or send it to someone to port.
3: Your pistons and rods will be fine for NA. You will need to find someone to custom make you higher compression L61 pistons if you want higher compression.
4: Water/Meth is not necessary on NA. It's more for boost. The difference will not be noticeable.
You can get the 2.4 intake manifold from a 06-07 LE5 on ebay if you are patient. Your injectors won't need to be much larger. Buy LSJ injectors and some electrical adapters and they will support whatever NA power you throw at them. As for HPTuners, for NA you can safely tune it yourself and it is not hard. Just a pain in the ass to learn. I can help you if you want to tune it yourself. Theoretically lighter wheels/tires like the RPF1 would increase WHP too.


I'm building my NA before I supercharge. Untuned at an elevation of 400ft, my car made 150whp. Tuned aggressively at the same elevation, I made 165whp. I don't have a reputable local dyno after I moved, but I'm now at 3800-4000ft. I ran a virtual dyno and make an estimated 165whp on E47 instead of gasoline. I'd like to know what it makes closer to sea level. Your town is 36ft. Pretty good. Also my car is an automatic so it loses more HP than yours does.

sc4door

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Rotated mounts always help but honestly putting that much power to the ground isn't a big ordeal

Staged07SS

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They were a vendor on here, and now they are banned.

They have crappy buisness practice. Id stick with ZZP or OTTP.

Slowbalt2000

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You will be much happier with a supercharger on stock pulley, plenty safe when tuned right and should make 210-220whp.

Btw ive never heard of a "jet" chip, and im willing to bet it makes no difference.

This. And ttr and powell and the other great vendors not mentioned

Mr.Tozzi

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Cold air intake, 2.4 intake manifold, 2.4 throttle body, ported head, header, catted downpipe, a good 93 octane or e47 tune, rotated mounts and coil overs to plant the front tires and you're having a little bit of fun.
take out rear seats, passenger seat, spare tire and jack, and it loses a few pounds and will be a little more fun.

Slowbalt2000

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Itd be like a stock lsj lol

jay4901

that's a bummer, really wanted to get a new transmission from them. is there anywhere else that gives you options like that to build a new f23?

jay4901

i really wanted bigger injectors/fuel pump to shoot flames :P and the water/meth is for cooler temps. i want forged internals cuz my cars already at 80k and i dont want her to crap out on me, so i might as well do a rebuild and go forged. i was going to go with the expensive intake manifold from ttr cuz it seems like id get better gains than from a 2.4 manifold. i will get the 2.4 throttle body i just dont know where to get it.

as for tuning, i'm an electrical engineer as my current occupation and the main reason i'm staying na is to learn how to tune so if you don't mind helping me, that would be amazing!

jay4901

do you guys know where i could get a few things? im looking for:
1. rear drum to disk bake conversion kits
2. 2.4 tb
3. rotated mounts
4. anywhere that builds custom heads and/or f23 transmissions?

jay4901

it actually did put a pep in my cars step. its made by jet performance and i got the 10707s(stage 2 chip).i like it but i plan on learning how to custom tune with hptuners soon so im not going to be needing it anymore.

sc4door

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Talk to john powell about the conversion kits. I've actually got a set of new lsj rear calipers for the swap if you're interested. He makes rotated mounts too. Talk to mongorat427 about the tb, he's got a little bit of everything. And unfortunately I don't believe there is much support for the f23, I could be wrong but I never was able to find anyone willing to help

jay4901

thanks for the info! also, i found the throttle body on zzp, i just dont know which one will bolt up to my manifold. should i get the le5, lnf/lhu or lsj throttle body?

sc4door

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LE5. That's the 2.4. I'd still talk to mongorat because one from him would be cheaper

jay4901

ok cool, should i also just port my intake manifold with a dremmel(saw people doing this a while ago) or invest in the turbo tech racing manifold?

Jesse

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Neither. Bolting on a 2.4 LE5 manifold is the best upgrade for NA. Also fuel pump won't make the car shoot flames. Tuning will, but it isn't good for your cat I'm told. Never had a desire to do it myself

jay4901

really? the ttr manifold seems like a pretty nice upgrade. thank you for the info!

07blackg5

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This