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Mindrot 03-15-2013 02:55 PM

Diagnosing AFR Issue
 
So to keep things simple and to the point I have an AFR issue only related to light throttle. AFR either goes pig rich or stupid lean 11afr or 17afr on light throttle.. Always a toss up and its one or the other. By monitoring dashhawk I noticed that without the issue happening the primary O2 sensor will read anywhere between 700mv-800mv. However, when the AFR freaks out the sensor will be reading very very low. Anywhere between 15mv-70mv which I imagine is a dead sensor. I'm not about to throw parts at the car unless I'm sure it's the issue. The car is maintained and other sensors such as the MAF are spotless.

Other odd note: doesn't happen above 46mph.

Also, does anyone know if on the bottom right corner of my Dashhawk means 'C' for Closed Loop and 'O' for Open Loop? Can't seem to find that answer anywhere. Even on MSD's website lol. Nor the manual.

Area47 03-15-2013 03:16 PM

watch the commanded afr and see what it does.

Mindrot 03-15-2013 03:54 PM

Ill try that next time. Will have to dig through the dashhawk to see if it reads it.

Mindrot 03-15-2013 05:21 PM

I saw 3 different commanded AFR #'s. The standard 14.7 which is normal. But it would either jump to 13.5 or 16.5 commanded randomly for some time. All at cruise under light throttle.

umrdyldo 03-15-2013 05:27 PM

i believe you correct about closed vs. open loop on the dashhawk

Mindrot 03-15-2013 05:34 PM

Wonder why it jumps from closed to open like that?

Area47 03-15-2013 05:49 PM

calibration issues

hhrfreek 03-15-2013 10:21 PM

Are you sure its mph and not rpm related? Are you entering open loop at a specific rpm?

Sunburst_SS 03-15-2013 10:27 PM

if for some reason your are hitting enough pressure from the turbo to trigger pe mode in your tune....which would make it go from closed loop to open loop......COT settings could change commaded fuel....

noorj 03-16-2013 02:22 PM

how far off are your fuel trims? I've seen commanded AFR change to swing the trims back in line.

Mindrot 03-16-2013 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by hhrfreek (Post 6966289)
Are you sure its mph and not rpm related? Are you entering open loop at a specific rpm?

It feels like it's MPH related. Not sure how I could diagnose that? Open loop is always random and when it does this AFR issue happens. Only at light throttle from say 10mph to 46. I'm probably just gonna keep this between my tuner and I as this appears to be some sort of bug. I dont know much at all when it comes to the tuning aspect of it.


Originally Posted by noorjariri (Post 6966813)
how far off are your fuel trims? I've seen commanded AFR change to swing the trims back in line.

Wouldn't know as I do not have HP Tuners. Just gonna take it up with my tuner. No worries.

hhrfreek 03-16-2013 10:07 PM

Good idea he'll get ya squared away.

Area47 03-18-2013 03:37 PM

if the kpa trigger is set too low it will do this. {pe trigger} or the tps trigger is set wrong. set the cat test and rear o2 test to disable, and set the cot temps to stock, but disable the activity of it.

Mindrot 03-18-2013 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Area47 (Post 6968871)
if the kpa trigger is set too low it will do this. {pe trigger} or the tps trigger is set wrong. set the cat test and rear o2 test to disable, and set the cot temps to stock, but disable the activity of it.

Thanks for the input. I appreciate it.


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