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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 10:28 PM
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Well mike that sucks, im sure everythings gonna work out! Way to be a trooper and stick in there.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 10:34 PM
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All this for 155whp? Dude I'd be PISSED if I were you! Good luck getting it tuned right hopfully that will unlock some hidden ponies for you bud.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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155whp?? i was expecting a lot more even without a tune, how much tq? i beleive HISPDPURSUIT has a dyno at 171whp 163tq and all he's got is an intake and a catback?

i wonder what i'll dyno, all these different numbers are odd
hispeed pursuit was not a mustang dyno if you take 155hp on mustang add 30% for dynmeter and 35% for dynojet... and a side not this shop is having people complain of low nubers from them(hense another reason not to go back) force fed where I want to do is a dynometer which tends to give numbers most correctly where mustang gives low numbers and dynojets give inflated numbers.....so again take my 155 on the shitty mustang dyno of theirs and add 30% plus they said there is 30hp availble through tuning and once again that would put me at 185 on their mustang dyno add 30% and there is your most accurate numbers
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 11:51 PM
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Can we at least hear it like idle and small rev? If its running that shouldn't be a problem, right?
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by senior_brown
155whp?? i was expecting a lot more even without a tune, how much tq? i beleive HISPDPURSUIT has a dyno at 171whp 163tq and all he's got is an intake and a catback?

i wonder what i'll dyno, all these different numbers are odd
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something doesnt sound right. and yes the factory tunes are VERY fucked. Ive said it once and ill say it again you wont get what you are looking for without a tune.

Hell, these cars need a tune badly after just adding an intake and cat-back ESPECIALLY with something like CAMS...
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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good luck mike, i had a buddy go to a mustang dyno with his RSX-S after he put a hondata FMU, Spoon cams, intake, full exhaust, stage 4 clutch, he only dynoed 197 WHP because his tune wouldnt work right, two weeks later they figured it out and he is currently at 247 WHP tuned to prefection! so dont give up hope buddy!

p.s. did anyone see the cobalt on redline TV yesterday? they are building a base to the max.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by g5mike
hispeed pursuit was not a mustang dyno if you take 155hp on mustang add 30% for dynmeter and 35% for dynojet... and a side not this shop is having people complain of low nubers from them(hense another reason not to go back) force fed where I want to do is a dynometer which tends to give numbers most correctly where mustang gives low numbers and dynojets give inflated numbers.....so again take my 155 on the shitty mustang dyno of theirs and add 30% plus they said there is 30hp availble through tuning and once again that would put me at 185 on their mustang dyno add 30% and there is your most accurate numbers
whooooooa buddy. it is nowhere near 35% difference. it is more like 15 i beleive. 35% difference would have you putting out like 230 at the wheels
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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whooooooa buddy. it is nowhere near 35% difference. it is more like 15 i beleive. 35% difference would have you putting out like 230 at the wheels
I was told by the shop owner that his mustang dyno is 30% drivetrain loss, thats probly his caliberation
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 07:45 AM
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mine was done on a mustang dyno...

IMO they are the most accurate...as opposed to the dynojet (EGOjet)
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HiSpdPursuit
mine was done on a mustang dyno...

IMO they are the most accurate...as opposed to the dynojet (EGOjet)
well if you are done on a stang dyno and almost matching the gm numbers at the crank, than I'm a loss for words, cause i have done the head, cams and my car is a monster compared to when I had just intake and exaust, something does not add up
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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lets just say, it did not work out, the guy was a dick and fucked the hp tuners and wasted my time, Im rebooking for another place..stay tuned..did one pull untuned lets just leave it at that.. MUSTANG DYNO 155whp, if he could access the car hes says" there is another 35,40whp tuning in the car and cams"..the gm tune in my car is super secrewed right now! I was so pissed with the guys lack of effort I left the dyno sheet there, Rod(victory redss) showed up to try and help the guy.Lets just say he did not want the bussiness. You guys will have to wait for next week, but A safe bet on the cams is 25whp gain...sorry guys im a little let down by dealing with this shop
damn dude whats with dealing with shitty ass people in your area.

these cams seem more trouble than they're worth...I hope u gain 30whp just for all this trouble.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by HiSpdPursuit
mine was done on a mustang dyno...

IMO they are the most accurate...as opposed to the dynojet (EGOjet)
Brent, you are right but also kinda wrong at the same time, you did your pulls on a mustang dyno but its calibrated to act more like a dyno jet.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 02:25 PM
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I was told by the shop owner that his mustang dyno is 30% drivetrain loss, thats probly his caliberation
ahhh you were talking about drivetrain power loss to get the actual crank numbers. i thought you were saying add 30% to find the numbers you would get on a dynojet and that would be totally wrong. i udnerstand what you are saying tho and that is alot more accurate.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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Brent, you are right but also kinda wrong at the same time, you did your pulls on a mustang dyno but its calibrated to act more like a dyno jet.
so if i was using the steeda dyno, what do you thing my nubers would be? also the dude said I would gain 30 more with the tune and thats on his dyno...like I said these cams and head my car is way more of a beast than it used to be....once Rod can figure out why the guy could not get into hpt than I'll book with this other more reputable shop
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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all i know these talks of 30 more with tunning makes me think: cams, stage II heads, and all bolt ons with lighten flywheel we might be able to see 250whp? wishful thinking
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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you will see 250 but it wont be on a real mustang dyno, and it wont be wheel hp
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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you will see 250 but it wont be on a real mustang dyno
ehhh let's wait for the results on that one. i think 250whp is kinda unrealistic with just ported/polished heads and cams even with all the bolt ons you are talking a 60whp gain on a 4 cylinder engine with just H/C. that seems too high imo.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 04:28 AM
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There is no way he is dynoing that low with the mods he already had plus the cams. He needs to go to another dyno and see what that one says he is putting down.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 06:02 AM
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Did the cam's manufacturer recommend a way to tune the PCM for the new cams?

I'm not aware of any available software that allows the user to log intake or exhaust cam angles. Both are needed to be able to "tune for cams" by editting the 30 zone VE table. Current versions of HPTuners or LS2edit don't support it.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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Mike was too nice to say "don't go to Haney Automotive Peformance" so I am going to say it, "don't go to Haney Automotive Peformance"
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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i'll say this. don't touch mike, he is bad luck. somebody find him a four leaf clover!
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Did the cam's manufacturer recommend a way to tune the PCM for the new cams?

I'm not aware of any available software that allows the user to log intake or exhaust cam angles. Both are needed to be able to "tune for cams" by editting the 30 zone VE table. Current versions of HPTuners or LS2edit don't support it.
thanks for the info, did not know this
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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thanks for the info, did not know this
A few of us have been asking on the HPtuners forum when they would support this and our posts go unanswered.

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9450
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Witt
A few of us have been asking on the HPtuners forum when they would support this and our posts go unanswered.

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9450
I see that it went unanswered, I do know that the intake cam is the more aggressive of the two, and it runs lean at lower engine points, the car was shown to run way rich in the upper rpm band, so yes, I need to get into the hpt, Rod is working on that for me. Hoe rich? on haneys crappy dyno he said " 30whp, could be had out of the tune so on a functioning dyno probly more
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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man... this sucks, i hope you get your car to a good shop that can give you a proper tune and dyno, you've spent a lot of money already and had nothing but problems with the people doing the work. i hate when shops brag about what they can do and not come through with it. i know a few around here like that.

anyway, i hope you get this done bro.
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