Zzperformance Has New Turbo Kit
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Zzperformance Has New Turbo Kit
maybe this is a repost... but anyways, i guess zzperformance has a new turbo kit they are working on. it says its good for 300+ depending on the setup you want. i cant wait to see the price/pics/dyno and whatever else they have up their sleeve. im not sure if its a twin charge set up or just the turbo by its self.. should be bad ass though!
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...new1.php?id=40
https://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt...new1.php?id=40
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thats cool but as for supercharger vs turbo a supercharger u will always save more money and make equal power just think about it my friend
u buy a turbo kit for say 3grand right...and if u want to push it more u buy another turbo say 700 bucks and maybe some other misc stuff for that turbo then ur looking at 4grand u spent...
or u can buy a tvs that is 2250 and flows more than the biggest turbo turbonetics offers..and if u want to upgrade ur supercharger u buy a smaller pully between 50 and 100 dollars ur looking at more power at almost half the price...which can allow for u to do more for ur engine than just a turbo swap...
not to mention that the s/c is a direct bolt on and requires no feed lines or oil lines or hard ass install that u have to pay a shop to do...u buy the s/c because its a direct bolt on and if u have a friend that tunes (which u do) u get tuned and ur good to go...
u buy a turbo kit for say 3grand right...and if u want to push it more u buy another turbo say 700 bucks and maybe some other misc stuff for that turbo then ur looking at 4grand u spent...
or u can buy a tvs that is 2250 and flows more than the biggest turbo turbonetics offers..and if u want to upgrade ur supercharger u buy a smaller pully between 50 and 100 dollars ur looking at more power at almost half the price...which can allow for u to do more for ur engine than just a turbo swap...
not to mention that the s/c is a direct bolt on and requires no feed lines or oil lines or hard ass install that u have to pay a shop to do...u buy the s/c because its a direct bolt on and if u have a friend that tunes (which u do) u get tuned and ur good to go...
The supercharger is easiest and the lowest cost, however power doesn't compare to the turbo. A supercharger requires over 50HP to spin it, close to 100 at high boost levels. This means a few things:
1. At the same boost level the turbo setup will make a lot more power
2. The car will put down more WHP on the same fuel system which is an issue with supercharged models already.
3. The engine will withstand the same boost as mady by a blower but put out more power before blowing up. These engines are fragile and let go around 300WHP with supercharged setups. With a turbo, they will go farther.
1. At the same boost level the turbo setup will make a lot more power
2. The car will put down more WHP on the same fuel system which is an issue with supercharged models already.
3. The engine will withstand the same boost as mady by a blower but put out more power before blowing up. These engines are fragile and let go around 300WHP with supercharged setups. With a turbo, they will go farther.
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The supercharger is easiest and the lowest cost, however power doesn't compare to the turbo. A supercharger requires over 50HP to spin it, close to 100 at high boost levels. This means a few things:
1. At the same boost level the turbo setup will make a lot more power
2. The car will put down more WHP on the same fuel system which is an issue with supercharged models already.
3. The engine will withstand the same boost as mady by a blower but put out more power before blowing up. These engines are fragile and let go around 300WHP with supercharged setups. With a turbo, they will go farther.
1. At the same boost level the turbo setup will make a lot more power
2. The car will put down more WHP on the same fuel system which is an issue with supercharged models already.
3. The engine will withstand the same boost as mady by a blower but put out more power before blowing up. These engines are fragile and let go around 300WHP with supercharged setups. With a turbo, they will go farther.
and i have a thread compairing the t3/t40e compressor map vs the tvs performance map..the turbo cant even make 750 cfm's and if it can be spent enough to barely make that much it will be way out of its effeciency range...and the problem with the fuel is the tuning not the supercharger...and it would take less fuel problems to run a supercharger than a turbo..and these engines are not fragile they dont let go on 300whp with a supercharger lol thats rediculous to say also..what kills our engines is the heat the m62 puts out not the boost from the supercharger...lol
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On the M62 with a 2.5 pulley... We came up with about ~80hp to spin the blower. Just some numbers we came up with.
I agree, on paper the TVS can out flow a lot of turbos. It is capable of going to 400hp+ on the LSJ. But it isn't proven yet.
Some people just prefer Turbos, and Turbos are guaranteed to make power.
I agree, on paper the TVS can out flow a lot of turbos. It is capable of going to 400hp+ on the LSJ. But it isn't proven yet.
Some people just prefer Turbos, and Turbos are guaranteed to make power.
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On the M62 with a 2.5 pulley... We came up with about ~80hp to spin the blower. Just some numbers we came up with.
I agree, on paper the TVS can out flow a lot of turbos. It is capable of going to 400hp+ on the LSJ. But it isn't proven yet.
Some people just prefer Turbos, and Turbos are guaranteed to make power.
I agree, on paper the TVS can out flow a lot of turbos. It is capable of going to 400hp+ on the LSJ. But it isn't proven yet.
Some people just prefer Turbos, and Turbos are guaranteed to make power.
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it's kinda like comparing granny smith apples and red delicious... both have good points and bad points... it's just a matter of preference. I like turbo's much better, always have, never liked the whole supercharger idea, not against it mind you, just thought a turbo would've been better, but then look at all the people who like superchargers, they have very valid points as well. it's just a 6 and 1/2 a dozen kinda thing.
Well guys, we can E-argue all day and get pissed about the knowledge we think we all posess. We can even post up compressor maps and data that manufactures provide and scream about solutions we think are best. The problem is that you'll be fighting a losing battle.
ZZPerformance is an authority in this field. We have done more testing on Eaton blowers than anyone but Eaton. We are one of the only companies in the world that owns a supercharger dyno. We can test HP input, temp output, CFM and about a dozen other characterists of a supercharger. We have extensive knowledge of turbo charging, supercharging and twin charging small engines. So please, save what you think you know for someone else and learn from the knowledge we've worked hard to bring the community.
ZZP will be selling the Harrop blower. We are an authorized Eaton dealer and have had Harrop here to discuss our business relationship many times. We tested prototype blowers for Eaton on the LSJ years ago. We understand the differences very clearly between a turbo and a supercharger and how they affect a car's performance. There are advantages to superchargers but making max power is not one of them.
Stay tuned for more turbo information but I think you'll be excited about the results and product offerings in the very near future.
The stock blower with a pulley will outperm the TVS price/power because it's like $100. So it's an inaccurate comparison to talk about HP/$ when the TVS can't make as much power as the turbo.
ZZPerformance is an authority in this field. We have done more testing on Eaton blowers than anyone but Eaton. We are one of the only companies in the world that owns a supercharger dyno. We can test HP input, temp output, CFM and about a dozen other characterists of a supercharger. We have extensive knowledge of turbo charging, supercharging and twin charging small engines. So please, save what you think you know for someone else and learn from the knowledge we've worked hard to bring the community.
ZZP will be selling the Harrop blower. We are an authorized Eaton dealer and have had Harrop here to discuss our business relationship many times. We tested prototype blowers for Eaton on the LSJ years ago. We understand the differences very clearly between a turbo and a supercharger and how they affect a car's performance. There are advantages to superchargers but making max power is not one of them.
Stay tuned for more turbo information but I think you'll be excited about the results and product offerings in the very near future.
The stock blower with a pulley will outperm the TVS price/power because it's like $100. So it's an inaccurate comparison to talk about HP/$ when the TVS can't make as much power as the turbo.
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Well guys, we can E-argue all day and get pissed about the knowledge we think we all posess. We can even post up compressor maps and data that manufactures provide and scream about solutions we think are best. The problem is that you'll be fighting a losing battle.
ZZPerformance is an authority in this field. We have done more testing on Eaton blowers than anyone but Eaton. We are one of the only companies in the world that owns a supercharger dyno. We can test HP input, temp output, CFM and about a dozen other characterists of a supercharger. We have extensive knowledge of turbo charging, supercharging and twin charging small engines. So please, save what you think you know for someone else and learn from the knowledge we've worked hard to bring the community.
ZZP will be selling the Harrop blower. We are an authorized Eaton dealer and have had Harrop here to discuss our business relationship many times. We tested prototype blowers for Eaton on the LSJ years ago. We understand the differences very clearly between a turbo and a supercharger and how they affect a car's performance. There are advantages to superchargers but making max power is not one of them.
Stay tuned for more turbo information but I think you'll be excited about the results and product offerings in the very near future.
The stock blower with a pulley will outperm the TVS price/power because it's like $100. So it's an inaccurate comparison to talk about HP/$ when the TVS can't make as much power as the turbo.
ZZPerformance is an authority in this field. We have done more testing on Eaton blowers than anyone but Eaton. We are one of the only companies in the world that owns a supercharger dyno. We can test HP input, temp output, CFM and about a dozen other characterists of a supercharger. We have extensive knowledge of turbo charging, supercharging and twin charging small engines. So please, save what you think you know for someone else and learn from the knowledge we've worked hard to bring the community.
ZZP will be selling the Harrop blower. We are an authorized Eaton dealer and have had Harrop here to discuss our business relationship many times. We tested prototype blowers for Eaton on the LSJ years ago. We understand the differences very clearly between a turbo and a supercharger and how they affect a car's performance. There are advantages to superchargers but making max power is not one of them.
Stay tuned for more turbo information but I think you'll be excited about the results and product offerings in the very near future.
The stock blower with a pulley will outperm the TVS price/power because it's like $100. So it's an inaccurate comparison to talk about HP/$ when the TVS can't make as much power as the turbo.
im not getting pissed....and the numbers speak for themselves for now...no one has numbers from the HTV so we cant argue that so the performance map is all we have to go for...and if u offer a turbo system that out performs the HTV then good on u (i dont care either way turbo'd or supercharged i just own a supercharged car and have turbos many other cars why not try something new for once is my outlook on it) and compairing the numbers against a m62 is not the point..HTV price compaired to a turbo kit price is what im compairing...but again if u bring one out for less than the HTV and makes more power...again..good on u
Our turbo kit is actually designed to primarily be a twin charged kit. In other words, you keep the M62 and get the benefits of both blower and turbo.
We have numbers on the Eaton products. The TVS is incredible compared to a normal blower and depending on pricing the Harrop kit may be 'the kit' to buy but a turbo still has more HP potential. Any blower produces boost directly from engine power. A turbo can use exhaust heat to produce boost. By capturing otherwise lost energy it's not possible for any blower to have the potential of a good turbo. At lower boost levels it's not nearly as important as higher boost levels. At psi over 20, it's nearly impossible to prevent belt slippage. A turbo can go to any psi level and even be run in series to produce hundreds of psi.
We have numbers on the Eaton products. The TVS is incredible compared to a normal blower and depending on pricing the Harrop kit may be 'the kit' to buy but a turbo still has more HP potential. Any blower produces boost directly from engine power. A turbo can use exhaust heat to produce boost. By capturing otherwise lost energy it's not possible for any blower to have the potential of a good turbo. At lower boost levels it's not nearly as important as higher boost levels. At psi over 20, it's nearly impossible to prevent belt slippage. A turbo can go to any psi level and even be run in series to produce hundreds of psi.
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Our turbo kit is actually designed to primarily be a twin charged kit. In other words, you keep the M62 and get the benefits of both blower and turbo.
We have numbers on the Eaton products. The TVS is incredible compared to a normal blower and depending on pricing the Harrop kit may be 'the kit' to buy but a turbo still has more HP potential. Any blower produces boost directly from engine power. A turbo can use exhaust heat to produce boost. By capturing otherwise lost energy it's not possible for any blower to have the potential of a good turbo. At lower boost levels it's not nearly as important as higher boost levels. At psi over 20, it's nearly impossible to prevent belt slippage. A turbo can go to any psi level and even be run in series to produce hundreds of psi.
We have numbers on the Eaton products. The TVS is incredible compared to a normal blower and depending on pricing the Harrop kit may be 'the kit' to buy but a turbo still has more HP potential. Any blower produces boost directly from engine power. A turbo can use exhaust heat to produce boost. By capturing otherwise lost energy it's not possible for any blower to have the potential of a good turbo. At lower boost levels it's not nearly as important as higher boost levels. At psi over 20, it's nearly impossible to prevent belt slippage. A turbo can go to any psi level and even be run in series to produce hundreds of psi.
