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Old 09-03-2010, 10:58 PM
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Very Interesting.. Improving the 2.0 liter Ecotec DI-VVT Turbo (LNF)

The LNF is a very good engine. 260hp @ 5300 rpm and 260 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm are very good numbers. BUT, they are not as good as they can be. Here's why...

This engine revs to 6300 rpm, but the last 800 rpm or so does nothing but give the driver the flexibility of not shifting if he is in a corner and does not want drive train disruption at that specific time. Other than that, this is one engine that should be short shifted way shy of its redline. The KKK K04 turbo used is again, good but not the best. This is very similar to the unit used in the Audi TT 20v 1.8T (225hp version) and is a little undersized for 260 hp. The response of the engine is good, but not as good as some lower boost turbocharged engines like the 2.0T FSI from VW-Audi group. It is efficient for its output, but again not stellar in this department.

How can we make it better? Well, I think that it is possible to improve engine responsiveness, push about 300 hp from the engine, make the engine enjoyable all the way to the 6300 rpm redline and improve economy. Here's how...

Change #1: Decrease Boost

This may sound like a retrograde step, but it really is not. The reason is three fold. First of all, it allows us to increase the compression ratio of the engine which improves light load response and make the engine feel more "alive". Secondly, when I went through all the compressor maps of most of the turbos from IHI, Mitsubishi, KKK and Honeywell (Garrett), there doesn't appear to be one which has their broadest efficiency bands at 1.25~1.35 bar (18~20 psi) which is what the current LNF is running. I believe that this is the limitation of a single stage centrifugal impeller. There are however quite a good selection with maps that are down right fantastic maps at ~1 bar (14.7 psi). This is important if we want a big flat torque plateau across a wide rpm range. 3~5 psi is not a lot of boost difference and we can hit 260 hp at 14.7 psi on a 2 liter anyway, so bear with me a little.

The following are the compressor maps from a Garrett GT2560R and from the KKK K04. Both units have better efficiency working at around 1 bar than at 1.3 bar. The GT2560R is so good in fact that efficiency reaches 78% and never goes below 60%, the K04 reaches 72% and maps as low as 55%.




Lastly, for any given compressor and turbine wheel efficiency and inertial, it takes a shorter while to reach 15 psi than it does 18~20. This means an improvement in lag time between off boost lugging and full boost scooting and we all know that's nice.

Change #2: Increase compression

Now that we have backed off on boost a little we need to make up for it by upping compression a little. How much? How about one full point to 10.2:1 (the LNF is 9.2:1). This is about right. For instance the VW-Audi 2.0T FSI runs about 12.5 psi on 10.5:1 with a K03 turbo.

This does three things for us. It makes the engine more responsive off boost. It makes it more economical on the freeway and in gentle driving -- most of which will be done with manifold pressures in some degree of vacuum; -0.4 ~ 0 BAR. It also recovers some of the power and torque lost through the decrease in maximum boost.

Change #3: Reduce the pressurized volume

The big front mount IC on the LNF is very efficient at dropping charge air temperature. But, it also creates a big volume of air to be pressurized. Think of the turbo as a compressor pump. If you an electric pump to pressurize a basket ball to 15 psi it takes a very short time. Use it to pressurize a sealed room and it takes forever. Basically, big ICs and long hose routings decreases response and increases boost lag. So, ideally we want the pressurized volume to be as small as possible while still meeting our desired charge cooling targets.

Now, having decreased the boost a little and working off a more efficient part of the compressor map helps by not heating the air as much and hence reducing our charge air cooling demands. But we can do more. Let's dump the air-to-air intercooler and adopt an air-to-water unit. Water is a much better carrier of heat and the heat exchanger can be as small as a brick and be as good as that big front mount IC. Its size also allows us to mount it on the cylinder head. Basically, the air leaves the turbo, goes through this tiny air-water exchanger placed near the valve cover and go straight to the intake manifold. The pressurized volume is probably about 1/5th that of the current setup (if not smaller).

The air-water solution of course still needs a radiator to be mounted somehwere, possibly where the current front mount IC is, but the distance and size of this radiator will not affect pressurized air volume.

Change #4: Increase the stroke

Normally, I am not a fan of stroker motors for a variety of reasons. But in this case I believe it is warranted.

The reason is that a 6300 rpm red line doesn't need a 86mm stroke. We can run a longer stroke and still be well within the piston speed limits. Despite what some people may think, power and torque doesn't limit an engine's redline much. Piston speed does. The reason is that the stressload on the rods and journals increases linearly with torque increases, but exponentially with rpms. Why? Because you are slowing and accelerating piston slugs and the kinetic energy you need to slow from and accelerate to is a function of the square of velocity.

Also, increasing stroke length increases displacement, but it DOES NOT increase the combustion chamber size where in matters (near TDC) when ignition events occur. Hence, it does not degrade knock resistance of the engine. Having a slightly undersquare bore x stroke ratio is also ideal for allowing us to extract more energy from each fuel/air charge, while still maintaining a good valve area for the given displacement. Just about all the reallly good turbocharged engines like the Mitsu 4G63 and the VW-Audi 1.8/2.0Ts are undersquare. The Subarus are not, but that is because its a boxer and they can't make it any wider! This is also partly why the Subaru WRX STis have 8.0:1 compression whereas the Lancer Evos run 8.8:1.

For family commonality, let's simply run the stroke length of the 2.3 liter Ecotec motor (90mm). At 86 x 90 mm, this will yield a 2.1 liter displacement.

Change #5: Use a GT2560R ball bearing turbo.

The K04 is a journal bearing unit, a ball bearing turbo spools faster and is arguably more durable when the oil properties are less than ideal. The GT2560R is very compatible with the airflow requirements of our 300hp target and has a peak compressor efficiency of 78% and peak turbine efficiency of 75%. This is about 6% and 10% better than a K04.



Of course the twin scroll manifold design should be maintained. Dual scrolls do not actually direct exhaust onto the turbine better as some people believe (it is actually a little worse due to increased wall drag on the airflow). However, it prevents parasitic exhaust pulses from reaching the cylinder in its intake-exhaust valve overlap period while the cylinder on its exhaust period is exhaling. This reduces the contamination of the engine's breathing cycles making it more efficient and also prevents the loss of pressure that is needed by the turbine from being partially lost to cylinders on the intake phase.

Change #6: Use a variation of AFM (aka DoD) to allow part-time Miller Cycle operation

Now this is a little complicated so bear with me...

An engine that keeps the intake valves open notably into the compression stroke is sometimes called an Atkinson Cycle or Miller Cycle engine (the differences between the two are in aspiration assist methods).

Typically, a turbocharged engine benefits from the late closure of the intake valves. This is because with the pressurized intake air, the engine can push air into the cylinders somewhat into the compression stroke even if piston is going up! In fact, this is desirable because the restrictions from the valve area being smaller than the cylinder bore (which is always the case) means that at BDC the cylinder is not completely filled to the same pressure level as the intake manifold. In normally aspirated engines the cylinders are sucking air into themselves through vacuum action hence as the cylinder is going up, there is very little ability to do so. At very high rpms, they are able to do it somewhat from the supercharging effect of the closing valves building up a temporal positive pressure behind them as high speed airflow gets suddenly stopped and air stacks up behind the valves. But that is another topic for another day. The key issue here is that turbocharged engines have very considerable ability to aspirate into the cylinders somewhat into the compression stroke whenever there is boost present regardless of engine speed. The same goes for supercharged engines.

However, a turbocharged engine does not always make boost, and if we keep the valves open into the compression stroke it will decrease the engine's output when off boost. It may also negatively affect emissions because we have effectively decreased compression ratio by "kicking" some of the intake charge back out the cylinder (sometimes with fuel already in there) as the piston goes up.

Ideally, we'll use a VTEC or VVTL-i style cam switching system to switch between our regular (Otto) cycle operation and Miller cycle operation. But that adds a whole different level of complexity and cost to the cylinder head design. AFM -- Active Fuel Management or Displacement on Demand -- has been used successfully in many GM engines. It has not been employed in 4-potters such as the Ecotec family. But with some additional passages in the heads there is no reason why it can't.

What I am proposing is not a fuel economy idea, but one for performance. We will incorporate AFM onto one of the two intake valves for each cylinders. One of the valves follows and Otto Cycle cam, whereas the other follows the Miller Cycle cam. Off boost and at idle, AFM collapses the lifter on the Miller Cycle valve and it never opens. The cylinder is fed by the Otto valve only and closes the intake valves early. The engine also benefits from increased swirling of the intake charge with one intake valve. Once we develop a reasonable amount of boost (say ~5 psi), AFM solidifies the lifters and opens the Miller Cycle valve. The Otto valve opens and closes as it used to, but even after it closes, the second valve remains open feeding the cylinders with compressed air somewhat into the compression stroke. This increases volumetric efficiency and in also creates an asymetrical compression and expansion stroke which is desirable for extraction more energy from each drop of fuel (this is why the Prius uses an Atkinson Cycle engine even though it is NA and reduces the power yield per liter).

The concept is simpler than say VTEC style cam switching and the key is that the engine initiates the Miller Cycle mode operation on boost.

End result

This about it! Conservatively, this should yield a 2.1 liter engine with about 260hp @ 2200~6200 rpm with about 310 hp @ 6300rpm and redlining at the same 6300 rpm. On top of that, we should have made it more responsive, more economical and made it desirable to rev all the way to the red line. Essentially, we have taken the LNF torque flat and broadened it to a higher rpm without compromising the engine speed at which boost first hits.
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it is pretty interesting.
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alot of work for little gain imo
plus its untested
plus a stock car with gms1 makes more torque in the majority of the rev range, and its making nearly 60 more all the way between 3000-4000
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Originally Posted by DavidW
alot of work for little gain imo
plus its untested
plus a stock car with gms1 makes more torque in the majority of the rev range, and its making nearly 60 more all the way between 3000-4000
I think this article is more of a "why didnt gm do it this way" thing. Makes sense in a way.
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i almost fell asleep reading that. but it was interesting enough to keep me reading it.
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what a waste of reading.

a tune of any kind makes this article a waste of time and money.
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i dare somebody to try it...
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Originally Posted by 08ShowbaltLS
i dare somebody to try it...
Nobody will dump that much money for that little gain.
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if i had an lnf id rather tune it or GMS1 it rather than swap turbos and pistons and stroke it.

but from the getgo this wouldnt have been a bad idea.
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I dont find it informative and disagree with most of it.
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good read.
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I disagree with this. The common comparison to Audis 2.0t platform is a mistake. The 2.0t fsi motor is not better than the ecotec, and produces less power, and has a host of absolutely insane design flaws, one big one is the cam follower/fuel pump which is effectively a built in self destruct mechanism.

Audi's 2.0t fsi motor uses a KO3 which produces less power. They use the K04 in their upgraded RS3 motor. Why? the same reason GM used the K04 in the ecotec. The audi motor running 10.5 and being boosted was a detriment to its power. The compression was too high from factory and out of the butter-zone. This was corrected in the revision of the 2.0fsi motor. The fsi motor is underpowered, under equipped and is PLAGUED with issues from coil pack/injectors blowing out, to fueling issues. I consider the FSI a good prototype, but nowhere near the capabilities of the ecotec. If anything, audi should take a hint from GM on how its done in a mass market environment.

I should add, having driven both motors, (granted prepared by different shops) The ecotech mated to the track requirements like a gucci dress to a russian model. The 2.0fsi from audi left a lot to be sired, with slower throttle response and a lack of power, it felt like i was kayaking it along, having to utilize the AWD advantage just to keep pace.

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I STILL want to see someone twin charge the LNF using the stock turbo and a small displacement supercharger like the stock LSJ super. It won't happen but hey.
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just wondering what and why you would do that on an inline 4cyl... particularly when the practice was negated with the advancement of single upgraded turbochargers...
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That post is 3 years old. Why even post it?
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if we really get into this crap why bother staying with a 2.0L why bother with a Turbo... why bother with a blah blah blah...
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hmmmm thats a lot of work
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Originally Posted by ebristol
That post is 3 years old. Why even post it?
Who's post is it? I sounds a lot like what I'd be saying.

I think the idea of active fuel management/displacement on demand is a good idea, but it is not very easy to setup on a roller-follower valvetrain, you cannot simply modify the lash adjuster (lifter).

With a redline of 6300, it really makes no sense that the engine doesn't have a larger stroke. Considering the engine has direct injection, the low compression ratio makes no sense either. It really seems to me that GM figured out how much fuel they could push reliably with their warranty concerns through their direct injection system, and then made most the other design decisions based off of that number.
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LOL , I think this post came out right as the LNF did ...

I think this guy would retract some of his comments from 2007 ...

Audi is a better platform ??.. I just don't think he understood the Direct injection and the technology at the time..


Funny my LNF beats up on the euro stuff very often ... And it has about lets see, none of that **** listed in his article.


Funny to read a watch as things have changed...
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