40rty

Antonio is very fortunate to be sponsored which ge worked gis butt off for. Well deserved

SKY888

very fortunate bro.

I dont have deep pockets to do this kind of build.


thanks Fortunato!

SKY888

What a surprise! I finally found a local E85 gas station! I'm sooooooo HAPPY!!!

I'll definitely be using E85 for my compound set-up!

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Stamina

There's an Android app called Flex Fuel that people can try for finding E85 too. I'm not sure if it's available for Apple. It usually has a pretty good listing. I'm not sure how frequently they update it, but I've only had one case so far that a place had E85 that wasn't listed on it.

Terminator2

You are going to need 30% more fuel mass capacity (30% bigger fuel pump and injector setup) on E-85 vs gasoline.

SKY888

besides my DI injectors........I'll be using:

ZZP stage 1 cams w/ big fuel lobe

and a set of Port Injectors (4 x 45lb/min)

Deatsch WERKS 300lph LPFP


I'm hoping they'll be enough.

Stamina

With as much fuel as you'll be pumping out of that tank at once, you may need to think about increasing the fuel tank ventilation. jk

SKY888

I actually have a secondary fuel cell for my port injectors

Nitrous Express SAFE system. It has its own fuel pressure regulator and fuel pump.

Terminator2

You are likely going to need 4x60lb/min or larger port injectors to run 700 whp on E-85 on an LNF.

Matt M

With the larger fuel pump lobe on the cam and the ability to run a lot of pressure on the port injectors, he can get to 700 on the 45s. I was going to say "safely" but i don't think that word would apply to this goal, regardless of fuel system.

SKY888

Yeah, if the 45lb injectors are not enough. We can easily drop in a set of 60-72lb injectors if needed.

I rather run a smaller set first....and go from there. Than the other way around.


I had no intention of running E. This fuel system was meant for pump gas actually, and the secondary tank/port injectors are for C16. So the C16 are only being sprayed during high boost/high power.
Thats why the injectors are that small.

But now that an E85 station opened up near where I live..............things change! lol

I'll probably run E85 the whole time.....and both stock and secondary tank will have E85 in them.


so we'll see how both of my fuel system will fair!

SKY888

Matt, is 700hp too much for the LNF platform and not safe anymore?

Terminator2

On full E-85? I am still waiting for Forty to build his motor with your cams to see how much they help (BNR 2871 turbo and E-47). Drewbroos BNR 2871 ran out of fuel at 27 psi on 91 octane on the stock cams!!!! I got 23-24 psi and 430 wrtq and 393 whp (mustang dyno) on E-47 on his car.

SKY888

One LNF kappa......is making around 460whp w/ E47 (or is it E85 not sure?).........and has plenty of fuel according to his logs......using the ZZP s1 cams w/ big fuel lobe and Hahn 20g turbo.

40rty

Thats 460whp theory, has he dyno'd lately? He's basing yhatvoff his logs right? I know Jeb is making serious power with his build, i just want to know if that was a dyno figure.

SKY888

he hasn't dynoed his car. And yes, based off of hpt logs

it's messed up again, actually. He's having some issues w/ some seals or something. Not really sure.


Gmtech is the one tuning his car. And gmtech mentioned to me that, the fuel delivery is more than enough ....and this is due to the cam w/ big fuel lobe.

Terminator2

Probably E-47 not full E-85 at those power levels with only a cam lobe upgrade. 460whp is a lot for a S-20G unless he is running different wheels on it and 30 psi. I hope the cams are that much better than stock though because I have hit the stock pumps limit so may times tuning people on E-47 it is not even funny anymore. There is no way to accurately figure hp off of data logs too many variables exist.

Terminator2

The ethanol ate the factory teflon injector seals. He and anyone running E-47 or E-85 WILL need the upgraded Viton injector seals they use on the regal. Viton is so much more solvent resistant than teflon.

40rty

Term, i addressed him about it in his thread. Its the first thing i thought of when he said that his compression test were low.

SKY888

I believe that 20g turbo.....is just the regular turbo...and no upgraded wheels were done.



I am also hoping that the ZZP stage 1 cams will give that 20% more fuel delivery.



Anyways, the LNF stock seals are white, right?

I bought new LNF injector seals from CED that are black.

I'm hoping that they'll be similar to the viton seals used in Regal that you guys are talking about.

Matt M

Yes, you can get about 20% more out of the hpfp with our larger pump lobe. Plus more radical setups are likely to have their peak torque at a higher RPM which means that the pump is already flowing more for this reason.

Stamina

The black ones are the ones I used too. I hope those are the right updated ones.

Don't forget to get the injector seal tool. It's a huge help and will ensure you do it right.

donkeyballs

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Black are the upgraded ones

SKY888

yeah, I ordered those seals from CED.

bought the injector seal tool as well on Ebay ($50 fawk....ouch!)

Stamina

Yeah, the tool's not cheap. Luckily it's easy to turn around and sell again if you wanted to, since people need them.

Luckily we've got a set that our club shares.