Genuine powell race parts: Trap door oil pan for racing and autox
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Genuine powell race parts: Trap door oil pan for racing and autox
LNF and LSJ.
Stock pan:
Trap door fabricated pan:
No two pans are exactly the same, they are hand made, but the configuration remains the same for all.
Cobalts have a wet sump pan, the LE5 pan is superior to LSJ for slosh control, but sustained hi g cornering, braking and especially sudden elevation changes followed by braking can cause oil starvation at the oil pick up and catastrophic engine failure. The trap doors permit oil to flow easily in to the pickup, but keeps a head of oil at the pickup
This hand crafted race modified pan I expect to be priced under $300, the issue really is what to do about core pan returns ( or lack of return ) and the shipping costs. Until we have a strategy for that, (mid September) I cant say what the final price will be. We will have two pans in stock at all times, as we do now.
Stock pan:
Trap door fabricated pan:
No two pans are exactly the same, they are hand made, but the configuration remains the same for all.
Cobalts have a wet sump pan, the LE5 pan is superior to LSJ for slosh control, but sustained hi g cornering, braking and especially sudden elevation changes followed by braking can cause oil starvation at the oil pick up and catastrophic engine failure. The trap doors permit oil to flow easily in to the pickup, but keeps a head of oil at the pickup
This hand crafted race modified pan I expect to be priced under $300, the issue really is what to do about core pan returns ( or lack of return ) and the shipping costs. Until we have a strategy for that, (mid September) I cant say what the final price will be. We will have two pans in stock at all times, as we do now.
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John:
Is the oil capacity still 5 qts, or did (or can) you go back to the 7 or 6 qt pans of the earlier LSJ motors? I'd really like to have a 7 qt capacity if I had the option. I had an 04 LSJ Redline with a 7 qt capacity, an 06 Redline with 6 qts, and my 09 LNF Cobalt only has 5 qts aboard (at least according to the specs). I'm of the opinion that more oil is better than less -- I'll pay for another couple qts...
I'm interested regardless. I've been worrying about oil starvation for some time.
Thanks, Scott Herbert
Is the oil capacity still 5 qts, or did (or can) you go back to the 7 or 6 qt pans of the earlier LSJ motors? I'd really like to have a 7 qt capacity if I had the option. I had an 04 LSJ Redline with a 7 qt capacity, an 06 Redline with 6 qts, and my 09 LNF Cobalt only has 5 qts aboard (at least according to the specs). I'm of the opinion that more oil is better than less -- I'll pay for another couple qts...
I'm interested regardless. I've been worrying about oil starvation for some time.
Thanks, Scott Herbert
Last edited by scottherbert; 09-09-2011 at 11:08 AM.
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Just curious, could you install something to monitor oil temperature in the new pan? I realize we would need a gauge to hook it too, but I would be _very_ interested in grabbing one of these if this could happen.
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You could drill and tap a bung in here for any oil tempature gauge if they cannot. Pretty simple. Other option is to install it in the engine so you get actual operating temps of the oil rather then cooled off temps (after running through cooler and making back to the pan) A good place to drop on is in the drivers side of the head in one of the empty oil gallies.
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7 Qt. pan on an LNF??
Would it fit without interference, and is there enough material to warrant the welding changes? If so I get to go on a scavenger hunt.
Also need to know what I am looking for (special shape, protrusion, part number, etc....)
Also need to know what I am looking for (special shape, protrusion, part number, etc....)
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the LNF dipstick tube is different diameter and the boss is a different height compared to LSJ Buick also. I dont recommend running the LSJ pan in an LNF but if you do a simple tube modfication takes care of this should you wish to run the LSJ pan. Somewhere on here I posted the differences. I can also say I paid the price of a rod bearing not running a trap door pan with YYZ springs. The lap times were stunningly fast corner speeds higher, all left the oil pickup gasping for air.
boom
boom
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the LNF dipstick tube is different diameter and the boss is a different height compared to LSJ Buick also. I dont recommend running the LSJ pan in an LNF but if you do a simple tube modfication takes care of this should you wish to run the LSJ pan. Somewhere on here I posted the differences. I can also say I paid the price of a rod bearing not running a trap door pan with YYZ springs. The lap times were stunningly fast corner speeds higher, all left the oil pickup gasping for air.
boom
boom
So modify an LNF pan and it can get the oil control stuff done.
Would an Accusump provide extra oil capacity? Is extra oil capacity needed/warranted for track day activities?
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I became a victim of oil starvation even before I got my YYZ springs, also on a track. Spun my rod and main bearings and wrote off a crank. I immediately installed Powell's oil pan after that.
As for adding oil capacity, I'll be installing a front mounted oil cooler in the next month or so. Mr. Belvedere on here supplied the flange you need to do that. (thread here: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/adva...cooler-312659/) I'm expecting to add at least 3 quarts of oil with this setup, which is a nice side effect since I'm mainly installing it to curb my temps at the track.
As for adding oil capacity, I'll be installing a front mounted oil cooler in the next month or so. Mr. Belvedere on here supplied the flange you need to do that. (thread here: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/adva...cooler-312659/) I'm expecting to add at least 3 quarts of oil with this setup, which is a nice side effect since I'm mainly installing it to curb my temps at the track.
Last edited by colodude18; 01-01-2015 at 09:29 PM.
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the LNF dipstick tube is different diameter and the boss is a different height compared to LSJ Buick also. I dont recommend running the LSJ pan in an LNF but if you do a simple tube modfication takes care of this should you wish to run the LSJ pan. Somewhere on here I posted the differences. I can also say I paid the price of a rod bearing not running a trap door pan with YYZ springs. The lap times were stunningly fast corner speeds higher, all left the oil pickup gasping for air.
boom
boom
Jim
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JIm I some how dont see an email from you. John@powellraceparts.com 175.00 exchange or maybe a little more no exchange as we are using new pans these days the fabricator complains about oil in the alloy when we use old cores to make new trap door pans...so...LNF or LSJ ? please specify . Cheers and thanks to Andrew Carr for letting me know you were asking, things are busy around here, I am not on here as much as usual
Last edited by Powell Race Parts; 02-07-2015 at 08:53 AM.
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Doh.