Want to enter my first race, question.
I had custom wheel adapters made with a 25mm positive offset -- the wheels have a very large negative offset -- they clear the struts by about 1/2". I've had to pound down the ridge at the back of the fender well so they clear and there's a spot up front where they want to rub at lock -- so I used a small sledge to bump the fender well in some. With Eibach 800 lb springs up front and 550 lbs in the rear, even lowered, with about 4 degrees of negative camber, nothing rubs. I also have the rear shimmed negative to about -1.55 degrees of negative.
Camber plates:

Various springs:

Custom made wheel adapter -- 5 x 110 inner, 5 x 114 outer -- both use the stock lugnuts:







tire clearance:

Fender modifying tools and fender mods:





Results and tires:


Tires -- Left to right -- stock 18", Hoosier 285/30 x 18, Hoosier 255/35 x 18, 245 x 17s -- all work:

Enought info?
Camber plates:

Various springs:

Custom made wheel adapter -- 5 x 110 inner, 5 x 114 outer -- both use the stock lugnuts:







tire clearance:

Fender modifying tools and fender mods:





Results and tires:


Tires -- Left to right -- stock 18", Hoosier 285/30 x 18, Hoosier 255/35 x 18, 245 x 17s -- all work:

Enought info?
Everyone has said you need a Snell SN, which is a motorcycle helmet and OK to every dragstrip test and tune, bracket for reasonable street cars and track day I have been to. The SA rating is for automobiles, and is required for actual road racing, time trial, and hillclimb, and very well may be required under a certain Et at the dragstrip, not sure on that one.
Just another place to get racing gear. SafeRacer - Auto Racing Safety Equipment, Auto Racing Gear, Auto Racing Helmets, Auto Racing Suits - SafeRacer
The first time I tracked my car I rented a helmet, then bought one immediately after. Addicted.
The first time I tracked my car I rented a helmet, then bought one immediately after. Addicted.
With Eibach Prokit springs, yes, it's been a daily driver. I use Powell front cabs, I have a front frame cross brace, added stainless steel braided brake lines, I run Hawk HP+ front pads and stock rear pads, I have a cold air, a GM stage I flash, and I have a custom bent 3" id cat back, resonator deleted, and a 14" x 3" id glasspack. It runspretty well. Almost forgot, steering rack spacers.
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Mine is a full face Bell. I've seen a lot of pros and cons discussions of a full face helmet with an airbag car.
Can get pretty hot for sure.
Oh, I got mine at http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/ If you watch there they occasionally have good deals on good Snell SN and SA helmets. You have to keep watching though.
Can get pretty hot for sure.
Oh, I got mine at http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/ If you watch there they occasionally have good deals on good Snell SN and SA helmets. You have to keep watching though.
Last edited by Sox-Fan; Jun 4, 2013 at 11:34 PM.
First, find out if you can rent a helmet for the day. If you can that's the way to go for your first track day. You'll be able to try different sizes and get a feel for what's comfortable. Ditto what Sox said about airbags. I have a full face helmet, but my friend has an open face helmet. Summertime racing in 105 degrees SUCKS! Also, balaclava. It's a head sock you wear under the helmet that soaks up sweat that you can wash after a track day.
thanks, i have a similar head sock from my time flying in Iraq/Afghanistan. They work awesome, I was seeing 140 degrees in the dead of summer and was soaked as if I was swimming in my flight suit.
They do have rental helmets, I will wait to try one on as you have suggested.
They do have rental helmets, I will wait to try one on as you have suggested.
Definately do some research on helmets before you buy one. And a side note, I'm a pipeline operator that ships gas, diesel, and aviation to Arizona. Just sent a batch of military aviation fuel, you might be burning what I'm sending. On the track and in the air.
Where did you get the eibach springs and for how much? Also how disbyou get them to stay still in the rear?
This thread is great, i'm looking to get started participating in some auto x. Gotta have the money to fix broken parts saved up first though.
Scott when is the next auto-x even in colorado? I'd like to go watch and get a feel for how things happen (I would race but a few things need to be addressed on the car before I auto-x it)
Scott when is the next auto-x even in colorado? I'd like to go watch and get a feel for how things happen (I would race but a few things need to be addressed on the car before I auto-x it)
As was mentioned, an open face is recommended by SCCA for airbag equiped cars. Getting smacked on a full-face chin bar by an air bag is not a good way to stay heathly.
I originally bought my spring kit from Ground Control (they no longer make the Cobalt kit -- who know, a phone call might work) and they came with Eibachs. I subsequently bought a variety of Eibachs -- various weights and lengths (the Ground Control kit came with 8" rear springs and 6' x 150 lb front springs) as I experimented over time. I now have quite a few different spring weights and I run 6" or 7" rear springs rather then the original 8" rears. The way coilover springs rate is lbs/inch of compression -- Eibachs are linear not progressive springs -- so with a 450lb spring, it takes 450 lbs of load for each inch of compression -- pretty stiff.
My car is lowered to drop the CG, not for looks, and it takes much stiffer springs to keep the body off the tires under turning load (I'll drag up some photos of my local competition to give you some examples).
The springs don't come out unless you unbolt the rear shocks.
Eibachs and other brands of coilover springs can be bought at reasonable prices online.
HP isn't important -- turning and stopping are much more important. I can spin both 285 Hoosiers (hot) in 1st gear and I can light them up again in a corner in 2nd -- throttle control is more important than HP.
When I autocross, I disconnect the front sway bar entirely by removing one connector, I'm running very stiff springs and more negative camber, and it works best -- the least tire spin the the front sticks best. At speed, at the edge, the car will oversteer slightly in a corner and will definitely oversteer under heavy braking while turning (sounds like an old turbo Porche).
I've won a couple of National Tour Events, and went to the US Nationals back in 09, but I almost alway end up 2nd - 4th. The local competition in the Denver/Colorado Springs area is tough -- 4 BMWs and a VW R32 -- rear wheel drive and all wheel drive -- and they've all won the SCCA US Nationals at least once each. Here are some samples of the local competition:

The R32 is a National Pro-Solo champion.


I used to run DS -- but a local guy is the 4 times national champion so I decided to switch to DSP/STX. I didn't realize how tough it is up in DSP around here.
Here's the schedule for events in the Rocky Mountain area Rocky Mountain Solo Series - Schedule. You can easily get rides with people if you want to check things out -- there are some really great cars and drivers in this area. I suspect that there are more National Champions in this are than in any other SCCA area (don't know why, but there are a lot of really competitive people). Best part, they're all easy to get along with and are uniformly willing to help, offer advice, make suggestions.
Enjoy.

The R32 is a National Pro-Solo champion.


I used to run DS -- but a local guy is the 4 times national champion so I decided to switch to DSP/STX. I didn't realize how tough it is up in DSP around here.
Here's the schedule for events in the Rocky Mountain area Rocky Mountain Solo Series - Schedule. You can easily get rides with people if you want to check things out -- there are some really great cars and drivers in this area. I suspect that there are more National Champions in this are than in any other SCCA area (don't know why, but there are a lot of really competitive people). Best part, they're all easy to get along with and are uniformly willing to help, offer advice, make suggestions.
Enjoy.
Last edited by scottherbert; Jun 5, 2013 at 01:14 PM.
The front struts are stock struts I cut and installed Koni adjustable cartridges in them. I modified a set of camber plates to work on my car with Konis.
I originally bought my spring kit from Ground Control (they no longer make the Cobalt kit -- who know, a phone call might work) and they came with Eibachs. I subsequently bought a variety of Eibachs -- various weights and lengths (the Ground Control kit came with 8" rear springs and 6' x 150 lb front springs) as I experimented over time. I now have quite a few different spring weights and I run 6" or 7" rear springs rather then the original 8" rears. The way coilover springs rate is lbs/inch of compression -- Eibachs are linear not progressive springs -- so with a 450lb spring, it takes 450 lbs of load for each inch of compression -- pretty stiff.
My car is lowered to drop the CG, not for looks, and it takes much stiffer springs to keep the body off the tires under turning load (I'll drag up some photos of my local competition to give you some examples).
The springs don't come out unless you unbolt the rear shocks.
Eibachs and other brands of coilover springs can be bought at reasonable prices online.
HP isn't important -- turning and stopping are much more important. I can spin both 285 Hoosiers (hot) in 1st gear and I can light them up again in a corner in 2nd -- throttle control is more important than HP.
When I autocross, I disconnect the front sway bar entirely by removing one connector, I'm running very stiff springs and more negative camber, and it works best -- the least tire spin the the front sticks best. At speed, at the edge, the car will oversteer slightly in a corner and will definitely oversteer under heavy braking while turning (sounds like an old turbo Porche).
I originally bought my spring kit from Ground Control (they no longer make the Cobalt kit -- who know, a phone call might work) and they came with Eibachs. I subsequently bought a variety of Eibachs -- various weights and lengths (the Ground Control kit came with 8" rear springs and 6' x 150 lb front springs) as I experimented over time. I now have quite a few different spring weights and I run 6" or 7" rear springs rather then the original 8" rears. The way coilover springs rate is lbs/inch of compression -- Eibachs are linear not progressive springs -- so with a 450lb spring, it takes 450 lbs of load for each inch of compression -- pretty stiff.
My car is lowered to drop the CG, not for looks, and it takes much stiffer springs to keep the body off the tires under turning load (I'll drag up some photos of my local competition to give you some examples).
The springs don't come out unless you unbolt the rear shocks.
Eibachs and other brands of coilover springs can be bought at reasonable prices online.
HP isn't important -- turning and stopping are much more important. I can spin both 285 Hoosiers (hot) in 1st gear and I can light them up again in a corner in 2nd -- throttle control is more important than HP.
When I autocross, I disconnect the front sway bar entirely by removing one connector, I'm running very stiff springs and more negative camber, and it works best -- the least tire spin the the front sticks best. At speed, at the edge, the car will oversteer slightly in a corner and will definitely oversteer under heavy braking while turning (sounds like an old turbo Porche).
If you just want to improve the suspension, but want a 'driveable' car when you're done, I'd recommend Eibach Pro-Kit springs -- sriffer and progressive but not lowering springs and not totally harsh, and I'm a fan of Koni adjustables for front and back (it's really pretty easy to do -- I have photos is you want them). I use the above when I drive on the street -- and I've autocrossed with them on multiple occasions on 'steet' type tires.
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