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Micro Mar 19, 2012 12:58 AM

Why I needed competition steering knuckles
 
The stock steering knuckles on 2005 to 2007 Cobalts were prone to damage during heavy side loads, like are experienced during competitive driving. GM performance division released competition steering knuckles to allow Cobalt owners to run grippy race tires without causing damage. I went off the track yesterday, and I was glad to have the competition steering knuckles. So, you don't need to have race tires to benefit from the added security of the competition steering knuckles.

Here is a video I made to show what happened:
Why Competition Steering Knuckles - YouTube

jboogie Mar 19, 2012 08:09 PM

Tried to coast the slolom. GAS GAS GAS lol your instructor wasn't a fwd guy

ei3dag3 Mar 19, 2012 08:29 PM

Good info! Does anyone if lsj and LNF knuckles the same?

royce777 Mar 19, 2012 08:30 PM

link to these knuckles?

advise Mar 19, 2012 08:32 PM

go on CED

BLue NoTe Mar 19, 2012 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by interviewatruins (Post 6403352)
Good info! Does anyone if lsj and LNF knuckles the same?

Very much no. One of the best mods I've done is swap to the LNF knucks. They have a 14.8:1 steering ratio, every other balt including the SC is 16.5:1. Much faster. Roll center height is also raised with the LNFs which helps turn in

advise Mar 19, 2012 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by BLue NoTe (Post 6403416)
Very much no. One of the best mods I've done is swap to the LNF knucks. They have a 14.8:1 steering ratio, every other balt including the SC is 16.5:1. Much faster. Roll center height is also raised with the LNFs which helps turn in

they bolt right up?

royce777 Mar 19, 2012 09:19 PM

are these the same as the G6 knuckles?

shabodah Mar 19, 2012 09:52 PM

Ok, here is the data on the different knuckles:

LSJ stock- LSJ smaller bearing and bolt pattern
GMR Competition- G6 casting but LSJ smaller bearing and bolt pattern
G6- G6/LNF larger bearing and bolt pattern
LNF G6/LNF larger bearing and bolt pattern- quicker steering

LNF bearings do not fit LSJ pattern knuckles
LSJ bearings do not fit LNF pattern knuckles

G6/LNF Hubs use different ABS systems than LSJ

If you want to keep ABS, the competition knuckle is your best bet on an LSJ.

IF you have a LNF, there is NO reason to upgrade your knuckles.

Powell Race Parts Mar 19, 2012 09:55 PM

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/a...parison002.jpg

the steering arms get shorter. the G6 knuckle wont work for LSJ unless you upgrade wheel bearings. The LNF wont work for the LSJ unless you modify the knuckle and use upgraded different wheel bearings. The |LNF wheel bearings wont provide the correct abs signal for LSJ.

The stock LSJ knuckles only broke once in testing, it was at Milford Proving grounds. The over reaction for racing was a result of GM engineering and us the contractor, wanting to produce Cobalt race cars that would be 100% reliable; the first 3 Cobalts built by us at Powell for Grand am racing were on track in Florida January 2005, before the first 2005 production cobalt rolled off the assembly line for sale to the public.

I have never seen a stock lsj knuckle break in auto x or dd or racing unless the car hit a ditch or curb or something.

Powell Race Parts Mar 19, 2012 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by advise (Post 6403445)
they bolt right up?

no yes no.;)

Area47 Mar 19, 2012 10:04 PM

lsj bearings do fit in g6 knuckles.
:)

ei3dag3 Mar 19, 2012 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by shabodah (Post 6403529)
Ok, here is the data on the different knuckles:

LSJ stock- LSJ smaller bearing and bolt pattern
GMR Competition- G6 casting but LSJ smaller bearing and bolt pattern
G6- G6/LNF larger bearing and bolt pattern
LNF G6/LNF larger bearing and bolt pattern- quicker steering

LNF bearings do not fit LSJ pattern knuckles
LSJ bearings do not fit LNF pattern knuckles

G6/LNF Hubs use different ABS systems than LSJ

If you want to keep ABS, the competition knuckle is your best bet on an LSJ.

IF you have a LNF, there is NO reason to upgrade your knuckles.






Ty! :D That's what I hoped to hear.

Powell Race Parts Mar 19, 2012 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Area47 (Post 6403561)
lsj bearings do fit in g6 knuckles.
:)

yours were gmpp machined is why/u bored and trolling or what?

Area47 Mar 19, 2012 11:11 PM

yepo. surfin da webs poking the n00bs

royce777 Mar 19, 2012 11:14 PM

so can i upgrade from my g5 gt knuckles to g6 knuckles?

Racerdad Mar 20, 2012 08:20 AM

I LOL'd at the sight of GM's Milford Proving Grounds getting censored. I live in the next town over from Milford.

Why, yes, I AM easily amused...

Mark Aubele Mar 20, 2012 04:10 PM

Is the slight off in the video really why you are saying competition knuckles are needed? I wasted 3 minutes of my life waiting for that.

Micro Mar 20, 2012 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Mark Aubele (Post 6404883)
Is the slight off in the video really why you are saying competition knuckles are needed? I wasted 3 minutes of my life waiting for that.

Here is your 3 minutes of your life back. ...use it wisely

You might not think it was so minor if you had felt what it was like in the car, or if it happend to your car.

Mark Aubele Mar 20, 2012 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Micro (Post 6404913)
Here is your 3 minutes of your life back. ...use it wisely

You might not think it was so minor if you had felt what it was like in the car, or if it happend to your car.

I would've laughed and driven back to the pits.

Micro Mar 20, 2012 07:11 PM

I did. :) But I have the competition steering knuckles. It is impossible to say what would have happened, so I MAY have been able to drive back on the stock knuckles too. Who knows? :)


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