I know it's traditional to race from a dig. It tests the skills of the driver, and determines who is a better driver..But does it really show the true capabilities of the CAR (acceleration wise)? I say this, cuz I hear about guys in other forums say how they're not impressed with the SS, how it's slow for having a blower, etc. I know our cars are hard to race from a dig, and somtimes wimpy ass cars will beat us. That makes our reputaion bad. I raced a mustang GT last night, and he got me good from a dig (bad wheel hop). After the race, his buddies thought he was the ****. So down the road, I caught him again, this time on a 45mph roll. I walked him that time. The guy wouldn't look at me after that.
I just think dig racing isn't showing the true speed of our cars. Most tuners are seeing us only run 15's...Most I've talked to say they've NEVER seen one even break 14's..Even some Focus guys make fun of them..pretty sad. But I'm mad, cuz I know our cars can take most these guys that talk ****. The way i see it:

Dig racing: skills of driver
roll racing: power of car itself

So what's wrong with either one?

 

I find it pretty hard to get a really good launch in our cars but I have been practicing and my launch seems to be getting better and better. Having fwd car we are at the **** end of the stick when it comes to a dig AWD > RWD > FWD (in general). ppl will always talk **** about other car, as for the ford fuckus guys i don't even need to say anything.

 

get the wepon R torque brace it should help the wheel hop, but the only way to cure it would be moter mounts

 

yeah i have the same problem in my SAAB. I put urathene motor mounts on and they didnt really help. never tried the weapon r thing, so who knows. One thing i learned to do was to let the wheels spin slighty and then gradually open the throttle. With better tires this probably wouldnt work, but it adds some show. and mines turbo so it will probably work better for me than your S/c

 

The point is, what's wrong with roll racing? Still shows capability of car

 

Nothing is wrong with it. 90% of my street races are from a roll because it's just more convenient and draws less attention. It's also where our cars shine so I don't mind it at all. Either way, I'm up for both and see no problem with each type of racing.

They do just what phxSS said: One shows the drivers skill, the other shows the cars ability. So they each serve a purpose.

 

roll racing to me only proves which car has better passing speed. i don't agree with roll racing mainly because if you are roll racing more than likely you are street racing. racing from a dig is a true test of not just car performance but also of driver skill. yes, it can be difficult for some drivers to race from a dig and get that perfect launch, but that is what practice is for. once you master your launch for your car you will be a force to be reconed w/.

 

dig racing shows skill... unless your racing someone with AWD. It gets a great launch, and it's so easy any fool can do it. The worst they could do is stall it.

 

dig racing doesnt show car's ability?

it sure does! it shows the low end torque curve, and how fast it can get to top speed.

anyone can mash the gas @20mph + and win.

driver skill + starting form a dig = poetry in motion. In other words, teamwork between the car and the driver.

any "sanctioned" drag races start from a roll? I cant think of any.

 

Racing from a dig makes the drivers talent shine period . How hard is it from a roll to just shift the car 1-2 , 2-3 or whatever ? When Im on my game , from a dig on the street , I can absolutely nail launching my car with no wheel spin at all and just motor away . That takes releasing the clutch at just the right time with and easing the throttle without easing so much you bog the car , or giving it to much and causing massive wheelhop . I nail a perfect launch 1 outa 4 times . From a 20 mph roll in 1 st gear , I can repeat the same scenario every single time without fail . The car just takes off liek a bat outa hell and power shift away . The only mistake to make is bangin the rev limiter on the incredibly short 1-2 shift .

Conclusion

Dig - driver talent

Roll - car

 

Its all fun so who cares. I think racing from a roll is just a different form of racing.

 

Have you ever launched a AWD car??? It freaking hurts your neck. Not easy at all.

ForcedGMinduction, what kind of SAAB do you have??? The 9-2X? I almost got one of those instead of my STI.

Sorry for the sidebust...to make up for it roll racing = the lame.

 

i don't mean to be a dick, but i just think roll racing is for *****'s that can't drive their car. my Ralliart is bone stock, and here on guam, i've yet to lose to any Spec-V. i even raced one with a lot of bolt-ons, everyone told me i'd lose, and i just plain out smoked this guy, try 4 car length lead going into 3rd. anyways, racing from a roll is fun, i've done it plenty. but when someone approaches me and says, "hey you wanna run." and i say yes, i always immediately say, "we'll go from a stop light." or "(so and so) will flag us." i never say, "from what mph would you like your car to whoop my cars ass sir?" because i know that a spec-v has like 15 more whp and wtq than my car. but i have the advantage if we go from a dig, and that's because that's a real drag race and i know how to drive. i don't think i've ever heard anyone at the drag strip say, "hey you wanna run from like a 20 roll or 40?" i think i'd laugh my ass off if i did. in fact, next time i go to the drag strip, i'll ask someone that and see what they say. i'll let you guys know.

now i've noticed a lot on your forum that a lot of you love to go from a roll. but in my opinion, you guys seriously need to learn how to drive if you hate going from a dig that much. no wonder all other car enthusiasts hate you guys and your cars. MOST, not all, of you are just plain wimps. reality check man!!!!!!! i like your cars, the n/a ss coupe and sedan, the s/c ss, even the 2.2ltr! but you guys need to quit whining about roll racing and ****. it's getting old and that's always been how you drag race. if you lose to an underpowered car in your s/c ss, then either learn to drive better, or mod your car so you can beat them.

sorry guys, end of my rant. i'm just sick of all this whining about roll racing.

brad

 

I don't agree with your statement that "anyone can mash the gas at 20mph and win"..So if I have a base model, 1991 civic, i could hang with an SRT-4, if I just hit the gas and go? No! That's my point. Our cars are quick, but becuase of their difficulty in launching, we have a bad rep on the streets and track. But if you race from a roll, you get props for winning. Roll racing, like I said, shows the actual power of the car. That's why i see nothing wrong with it.

 

Of course you hate roll racing..you have an AWD car

 

That's what I'm trying to say!! Our cars have a bad rep, not becuase of the drivers, but becuase PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THE 2.0L SS IN ONLY CAPABLE OF 15'S!! I'm just saying that if you roll race someone, they will clerarly see that the car is capable of much faster than a 15.4.......You admited, that a Spec-V has more power than you, right? So the CAR is superior to yours!! No denying that. BUT, since you are a good driver, you can beat one. Do you think Spec V's are slow, or do you think the owner's don't drive them well?
See, you know it's a better car than yours, and that's my point. PEOPLE DON'T THINK THE SS IS A FAST OR POWERFUL CAR.

 

i hate roll racing and i drive a FWD car.

 

grrrrrr..everyone has misunderstood my thread!!

 

What did you expect

This has been a hot issue on the fourm for a while.

 

I'm not trying to imply that roll racing is better than dig racing..read the thread more carefully!!!

 

racing from a roll , or anything that does not give you a time slip of some kind

IS COMPLETELY USELESS

think about it this way , since alot of people here NEED to have dyno #s of some kind for any mods

same goes for any type of acceleration , no # menas nothing , having some kinda #'s helps

not to mention racing from a light of some kind for the start makes it a little more even , than some guy hitting the horn 3 times , cause the guy hitting the horn can hit the gas pedal alot faster cause he knows when he hits it the 3rd time to go

 

roll racing- cars performance from a speed not much to do with the driver

dig racing- show more of drivers skill in a straight line if cars are equal. has some to do with cars power but more driver

course racing- mainly driver skill overall you need to know how to take turns but also how to get on it in the straight aways. more to do with the car overall as well tires, suspension, brakes, engine, etc...

 

And a RWD car, both of which are faster then every cobalt on here from a roll and dig. Roll racing is just a poor excuse for not being able to drive or the car being crap. You keep saying roll racing is a better example of the car, IT IS NOT. It is just a better example of the engine and gearing. A real drag race will show what a car can do. Since your cars hook like they are in carwashes fix them so they can put all that underrated power to the ground or buy a better car. Do not complain about something you can fix. This isn't all directed at you phxSS, but to the whole community (mainly FWD cars).

 

THANK YOU WASEY!!! you said it better than me and with less words. i applaud you. have a beer man!!!!

 

What a bunch of cry babies.

A race is a race from a roll or a dig, both are fun and both showcase car and driver. I am up for racing either way. With the recent craze in tuner type cars (real or rice) roll racing is becoming popular. Most roll races are unplaned and you have no idea who the other driver is, racing from a dig is usually planned. In my Camaro SS or Cobalt SS there isn't a long drive that passes without someone else pacing me giving the occasional rev just waiting for me to oblige.

Basically both are races in my opinion but everyone is intitled to there opinion I guess.

Who wants to Roll race:
- 03-04 Cobras The IRS on these cars makes the high HP take off even harder
- SRT-4's These high schoolers don't know what a dig is
- People who don't want to break anything with a hard launch

Who wants to race from a Dig:
- Guys with AWD Because they know what happens from a roll
- Anyone with Drag Radials Especially when the other car has street tires

I myself am happy to do either, It all just depends on what car I am and what car they are in. Most people who want to race my Cobalt SS don't have a chance or more than 150HP. People who pick on my Camaro SS are usually in Mustangs or the occasional real tuner.