Ecotec Transmission Gear Ratios/Final Drives
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Ecotec Transmission Gear Ratios/Final Drives
So I have been researching different transmissions offered for the ecotec engines and a couple of randoms and did a top speed per gear. Now to start off this more so for drag racing but can be used for whatever. What I have notice about the ecotec transmissions is the gearing is very long.
Table 7500RPM, 225/50/R17(25.9" diameter)
F35
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
3.38 1.76 1.18 0.89 0.70
4.05 43 mph 81 mph 121 mph 160 mph 204 mph
3.82 45 mph 86 mph 128 mph 170 mph 216 mph
4.55 38 mph 74 mph 110 mph 146 mph 186 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
4.05: 2750 RPM 3.82: 2600 RPM 4.45: 3050 RPM
F23
4.41 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
3.58 2.02 1.35 0.98 0.69
38 mph 65 mph 97 mph 134mph 190mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2900 RPM
F40
3.762 Final Dive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
3.92 2.02 1.37 1.05 0.85 0.71
39 mph 65 mph 112 mph 146 mph 181 mph 216 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2600 RPM
4T45-E
3.91 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
2.95 1.56 1.00 0.68
50 mph 91 mph 148 mph 217 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2600 RPM
4T65-E
3.69 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
2.92 1.56 1.00 0.70
54 mph 100 mph 157 mph 224 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2500 RPM
6T45-E
3.87 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
4.584 2.964 1.912 1.446 1.000 0.746
33 mph 50 mph 78 mph 103 mph 149 mph 200 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2800 RPM
Now obviously this is just calculations and no your car will not go 200 mph. This just a calculation of tire size, RPM and final drive.
F35
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
3.38 1.76 1.18 0.89 0.70
4.05 43 mph 81 mph 121 mph 160 mph 204 mph
3.82 45 mph 86 mph 128 mph 170 mph 216 mph
4.55 38 mph 74 mph 110 mph 146 mph 186 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
4.05: 2750 RPM 3.82: 2600 RPM 4.45: 3050 RPM
F23
4.41 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
3.58 2.02 1.35 0.98 0.69
38 mph 65 mph 97 mph 134mph 190mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2900 RPM
F40
3.762 Final Dive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
3.92 2.02 1.37 1.05 0.85 0.71
39 mph 65 mph 112 mph 146 mph 181 mph 216 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2600 RPM
4T45-E
3.91 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
2.95 1.56 1.00 0.68
50 mph 91 mph 148 mph 217 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2600 RPM
4T65-E
3.69 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
2.92 1.56 1.00 0.70
54 mph 100 mph 157 mph 224 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2500 RPM
6T45-E
3.87 Final Drive
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
4.584 2.964 1.912 1.446 1.000 0.746
33 mph 50 mph 78 mph 103 mph 149 mph 200 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2800 RPM
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Very good work. I remember sitting at work figuring a bunch of these out at work once, but I never recorded or saved my info. On the F35 section, the low gear one should be 4.45. I said I wouldnt doo anything else to my car after last motor, but that Saab trans is looking so tempting.
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there are far more ratios out there than what is listed. the f23 has 5 different final drive ratios (3.63, 3.94, 3.84, 4.17, and 4.41) and a couple different 5th gear ratios. the f40 has a couple different gear sets and between the 2 all the ratios are different.
in both the 4t40/4t45e and 4t65e the differential can be changes as well as the chain sprockets, so both transmission types have a large number of possible final drive gear ratios. the 4t65e is the descendant of the 4t60e, 4t60 and 440-t4 transmissions that date back to the early 80s and they share a lot of parts. this transmission family was used in midsize and larger cars with engines ranging from the 2.8l all the way up to a 5.3l. because of this, the list of possible gear ratios is huge. the 4t40e/4t45e wasnt used in near as many cars, it came out in 1995 in small and midsize cars, mostly behind 4 cylinders but they did offer some v6 engines with them (3.1, 3.4 and 3.5l). the possible final drive ratio list isnt nearly as long on these transmissions, but there are still plenty.
in both the 4t40/4t45e and 4t65e the differential can be changes as well as the chain sprockets, so both transmission types have a large number of possible final drive gear ratios. the 4t65e is the descendant of the 4t60e, 4t60 and 440-t4 transmissions that date back to the early 80s and they share a lot of parts. this transmission family was used in midsize and larger cars with engines ranging from the 2.8l all the way up to a 5.3l. because of this, the list of possible gear ratios is huge. the 4t40e/4t45e wasnt used in near as many cars, it came out in 1995 in small and midsize cars, mostly behind 4 cylinders but they did offer some v6 engines with them (3.1, 3.4 and 3.5l). the possible final drive ratio list isnt nearly as long on these transmissions, but there are still plenty.
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Very good work. I remember sitting at work figuring a bunch of these out at work once, but I never recorded or saved my info. On the F35 section, the low gear one should be 4.45. I said I wouldnt doo anything else to my car after last motor, but that Saab trans is looking so tempting.
3.545 FD F40 also had different gearing compared to the 3.7 FD F40
F40
3.545 FD
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
3.77 2.04 1.32 0.95 0.76 0.62
43 mph 80 mph 123 mph 172 mph 214 mph 263 mph
Highway Cruising @ 75 mph
2150 RPM
there are far more ratios out there than what is listed. the f23 has 5 different final drive ratios (3.63, 3.94, 3.84, 4.17, and 4.41) and a couple different 5th gear ratios. the f40 has a couple different gear sets and between the 2 all the ratios are different.
in both the 4t40/4t45e and 4t65e the differential can be changes as well as the chain sprockets, so both transmission types have a large number of possible final drive gear ratios. the 4t65e is the descendant of the 4t60e, 4t60 and 440-t4 transmissions that date back to the early 80s and they share a lot of parts. this transmission family was used in midsize and larger cars with engines ranging from the 2.8l all the way up to a 5.3l. because of this, the list of possible gear ratios is huge. the 4t40e/4t45e wasnt used in near as many cars, it came out in 1995 in small and midsize cars, mostly behind 4 cylinders but they did offer some v6 engines with them (3.1, 3.4 and 3.5l). the possible final drive ratio list isnt nearly as long on these transmissions, but there are still plenty.
in both the 4t40/4t45e and 4t65e the differential can be changes as well as the chain sprockets, so both transmission types have a large number of possible final drive gear ratios. the 4t65e is the descendant of the 4t60e, 4t60 and 440-t4 transmissions that date back to the early 80s and they share a lot of parts. this transmission family was used in midsize and larger cars with engines ranging from the 2.8l all the way up to a 5.3l. because of this, the list of possible gear ratios is huge. the 4t40e/4t45e wasnt used in near as many cars, it came out in 1995 in small and midsize cars, mostly behind 4 cylinders but they did offer some v6 engines with them (3.1, 3.4 and 3.5l). the possible final drive ratio list isnt nearly as long on these transmissions, but there are still plenty.
The "MN4" 4T40E is able to handle vehicles up to 4000 lb (1814 kg) GVWR. The final drive ratio can vary depending on the car's curb weight and engine power output. 3.91, 3.63, 3.29, 3.05, 3.69, and 3.42 are all of the available ratios used in the 4T40 (and 4T45) transmission; Made possible by using combinations selected from 3 different sprocket combinations (32/38, 35/35, 33/37) and 2 differentials (3.29, 3.05). It is designed for 1.5–3.1 L engines producing up to 190 ft·lbf (258 N·m) of torque.
Minor design changes provided the 4T40E an increased torque capacity, producing the 4T45E. The "MN5" 4T45E is able to handle vehicles up to 4,500 lb (2,041 kg) GVWR. Final drive ratios include 3.63, 3.29, 3.05, and 3.91. This same transmission is used in the Saturn Vue Green Linehybrid vehicle with the addition of an auxiliary oil pump and hybrid-aware electronics. It is designed for 3.0–3.5 L engines producing up to 205 ft·lbf (278 N·m) of torque, but was also commonly mated to some versions of GM's 4-cylinder Ecotec line.
As for the 4t60/65 they are a ton of different final drives for these transmissions as you stated and the came in almost every FWD gm car with V6/V8 engine from 1991-2007.
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