FINALLY an option for us f35 guys. READ!
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FINALLY an option for us f35 guys. READ!
The past 3 or 4 weeks I have been talking with John Shepherd from Sheptrans.com about building us upgraded gear sets. After talking with him on the phone and sending him some pictures of how out transmissions are configures he said it looks very promising and would like me to send him my spare trans for engineering and development.
If you guys don't know much about sheptrans you should probably just click on his website once or youtube john shepherd and see what his transmissions are capable of holding. The evo gears he just did were breaking around 400whp, and it was always 4th gear, similar to our 3rd gear situation. He now has the stock transmission on his upgraded gear set holding over 650 awhp.
I know some guys are blaming our 3rd gear breakage issue on "case flex", John and I talked briefly about that as well and he said the evo guys were claiming the same thing. He thinks it is simply the size of the gear. The gears themselves get smaller as you upshift so there is less mass=strength.
There is more than one good thing about this option, one is that we are getting a huge aftermarket vendor to support our platform with the highest quality parts available, two sheptrans specializes in this area so you know the gears will be as good as they come, three you don't have to run the same vendor for all of your mods, NOTHING BAD ON ZZP AT ALL THATS ALL I RUN RIGHT NOW, four the price he quoted me was ridiculously cheaper than ANY of the gear sets I have seen for other cars.
We also spoke about cryo treating and straight cuts. As far as cryo treating John said that would reap little to no benefits and the cost of finding the pullers to disassemble the tranny, get them heat treated, and find someone to reassemble it for you, would far outweigh the strength benefits. The straight cuts are basically a last ditch effort and he sees no reason to consider that at this point. if it comes down to that, and by the way he was talking it won't, you would be able to select which gears you want straight cut and which you wanted the stock helical cut. 1-3 1-4 etc...
So anyways guys this whole process will take about 6-8 months and I need your help here. He had a list of 100 guys that said they would buy gears from him when he did the evo's. He expected about half of them would actually buy so he only ordered 50 sets to be made. At this point ten guys have actually bought the gears from him. Some are waiting for good sold results before they spend the money which is expected, but we need a list of guys that would consider this, or will buy, once the developmental process and testing is done.
Price is yet to be released, but I will be updating this page quite often. All I can tell you is that it's more reasonable than I would have ever imagined. I hope we have a lot of interest because I know i'm not the only guy out there that is having trans issues with the power levels I would like to be running. For me, if this works out i'll build the motor and look for big numbers. And I would like to keep the 5 speed. I just can't stand the thought of looking down and seeing P,R,N,D,3,2,1
Let me know what you guys think about all of this and if you have interest just post it and i'll keep your name for my list. This will take some time so you all have ample time to save those pennies
UPDATES:
The transmission is apart and has been for 2 weeks now. The gears have been sent out to the 2 manufactures that John deals with on a daily basis to see what sort of power they can be made to hold and also to see who has the best pricing. That is where we stand right now. Price has not yet been released. There may be a slight ratio change due to the change in pitch necessary for more holding power. This, however, will be slight and barely noticable.
Some have inquired about a longer first gear and different ratios all around. These options are not feasable at this time simply because of the huge price difference that would be. our goal right now is to solve the major problem we have and work off of that. John did mention a possible change in final drive down the road. Thanks guys!
Update. The one company John used has promised a him a quote by tomorrow. This means our price should be released in the coming weeks!
Price Released! The 3rd and 4th gear set, both gears (primary and secondary shaft), is $1650 and install is $250.
Quote from John Sheperd:
These gears may have a slight whine due to the tooth profile we will need to use.
This can be helped by surface grinding the gear ar $30 per gear (x4 gears)
We would need to do at least half of the batch to get this done.
The first order is ten gear sets guys. If we sell all ten and order a bigger run the price will go down $250! Any other questions or inquiries about pre ordering please feel free to let me know.
If you guys don't know much about sheptrans you should probably just click on his website once or youtube john shepherd and see what his transmissions are capable of holding. The evo gears he just did were breaking around 400whp, and it was always 4th gear, similar to our 3rd gear situation. He now has the stock transmission on his upgraded gear set holding over 650 awhp.
I know some guys are blaming our 3rd gear breakage issue on "case flex", John and I talked briefly about that as well and he said the evo guys were claiming the same thing. He thinks it is simply the size of the gear. The gears themselves get smaller as you upshift so there is less mass=strength.
There is more than one good thing about this option, one is that we are getting a huge aftermarket vendor to support our platform with the highest quality parts available, two sheptrans specializes in this area so you know the gears will be as good as they come, three you don't have to run the same vendor for all of your mods, NOTHING BAD ON ZZP AT ALL THATS ALL I RUN RIGHT NOW, four the price he quoted me was ridiculously cheaper than ANY of the gear sets I have seen for other cars.
We also spoke about cryo treating and straight cuts. As far as cryo treating John said that would reap little to no benefits and the cost of finding the pullers to disassemble the tranny, get them heat treated, and find someone to reassemble it for you, would far outweigh the strength benefits. The straight cuts are basically a last ditch effort and he sees no reason to consider that at this point. if it comes down to that, and by the way he was talking it won't, you would be able to select which gears you want straight cut and which you wanted the stock helical cut. 1-3 1-4 etc...
So anyways guys this whole process will take about 6-8 months and I need your help here. He had a list of 100 guys that said they would buy gears from him when he did the evo's. He expected about half of them would actually buy so he only ordered 50 sets to be made. At this point ten guys have actually bought the gears from him. Some are waiting for good sold results before they spend the money which is expected, but we need a list of guys that would consider this, or will buy, once the developmental process and testing is done.
Price is yet to be released, but I will be updating this page quite often. All I can tell you is that it's more reasonable than I would have ever imagined. I hope we have a lot of interest because I know i'm not the only guy out there that is having trans issues with the power levels I would like to be running. For me, if this works out i'll build the motor and look for big numbers. And I would like to keep the 5 speed. I just can't stand the thought of looking down and seeing P,R,N,D,3,2,1
Let me know what you guys think about all of this and if you have interest just post it and i'll keep your name for my list. This will take some time so you all have ample time to save those pennies
UPDATES:
The transmission is apart and has been for 2 weeks now. The gears have been sent out to the 2 manufactures that John deals with on a daily basis to see what sort of power they can be made to hold and also to see who has the best pricing. That is where we stand right now. Price has not yet been released. There may be a slight ratio change due to the change in pitch necessary for more holding power. This, however, will be slight and barely noticable.
Some have inquired about a longer first gear and different ratios all around. These options are not feasable at this time simply because of the huge price difference that would be. our goal right now is to solve the major problem we have and work off of that. John did mention a possible change in final drive down the road. Thanks guys!
Update. The one company John used has promised a him a quote by tomorrow. This means our price should be released in the coming weeks!
Price Released! The 3rd and 4th gear set, both gears (primary and secondary shaft), is $1650 and install is $250.
Quote from John Sheperd:
These gears may have a slight whine due to the tooth profile we will need to use.
This can be helped by surface grinding the gear ar $30 per gear (x4 gears)
We would need to do at least half of the batch to get this done.
The first order is ten gear sets guys. If we sell all ten and order a bigger run the price will go down $250! Any other questions or inquiries about pre ordering please feel free to let me know.
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Thanks!
04-20-2011, 03:00 PM
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Depends on the price...and if I want to do it lol I know it'll give A LOT of people who are going big turbo peace of mind knowing the weak spot(tranny) will no longer be an issue.
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You don't have to commit until we come out with a finalized price. Simply show interest
haha something like that
This is very true. Peace of mind
This is very true. Peace of mind
04-20-2011, 03:56 PM
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I'm gonna bet that Shep or TRE already does the work for ZZP, so dont worry about hurting there feelings.
Id bet on TRE just because they are a bit more local then Shep, but both do some amazing work and are far more qualified then any vender(save for possibly John) to do this work.
Id bet on TRE just because they are a bit more local then Shep, but both do some amazing work and are far more qualified then any vender(save for possibly John) to do this work.
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Since my plan is to go with the BW EFR turbo ZZP is building, I would be very interested, with of course the caveats of price, and availability of the ZZP turbo.
04-20-2011, 04:38 PM
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Shep does sick work with DSM trannies for sure. **** even i would be interested since i wanna go bigger turbo down the road and i already took out a trans on stock turbo
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6-8 months is the projected time frame from the time I get it to him. Thanks for being interested!
