Jeffron420

I have a 06 cobalt ss with the supercharged lsj I replaced cam and crank sensor and made sure the lines where aligned up with #4 in top dead center I changed spark plugs and I am getting a p0017 code saying crank and cam correlation the car just cranks and cranks before it starts but there are a few times it fires right up I pulled the cover and the chain seems tight and inline. Does anyone have a idea what could be my problem or what I can try next? Thanks, jeff

Slowbalt2000

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How many miles? No timing chain noise?

Jeffron420

121k and I’m not sure what a timing chain would sound like. The car runs like a dream when started

Kobraa

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The only thing SI, which is gms dealer tech info, lists is check the crank balancer for proper torque, inspect cam sensor for proper alignment, and if not the engine has to be mechanically out of time.

Kobraa

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There is also a bulliten, PI# PIP4548F that talks about cam reluctors moving on the end of the camshaft. They are a press fit and do not have a keyway on them, and they can rotate slightly on the end of the cam, causing the sensor to think the engine is out of time, when it isnt. The reluctor on the end of the camshaft the sensor reads it off. And that is listed with symptoms p0017 and customer complaint of crank and no start.

Jeffron420

How do I get to these sorry I'm kinda new to the whole thread things

user 72239

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you positive you got it lined up? #1 at TDC?

Jeffron420

When you line it up I thought #4 was at tdc

Kobraa

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Jeff, you are correct. Number 4 tdc on compression stroke.

user 72239

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yeah sorry. had to look at my notes. it was #4 on TDC

Jeffron420

Yes I made sure it was aligned and at tdc when I installed it

armcclure

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The sensor hex usually moves when you try to insert it. I generally remove the end cam cap so you can watch it go in the whole way.

A worn chain won't cause the code. You can be a whole link off either direction before the p0017 pops up.

Johnny Bliss

#1 and #4 will be at tdc at the same time.

liek armcclure said try the cam sensor again. they can be tough

Jeffron420

I did it once myself and had a Chevy dealer do it also they say it's timing chain but the car runs great

Johnny Bliss

take the valve cover off and check out the chain i guess

exninja

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yes but one is compression stroke while the other is exhaust stroke. you have a 50/50 chance of being right or 180° off. the question is if it knows it's 180° off, and i would think so since it specifies #4 TDC compression rather than just saying #4/#1 TDC.

Johnny Bliss

you're right i was thinking about doing the cams at the same time.

Jeffron420

Take the cover off and what am I looking for on the chain

exninja

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on the chain, you'd be verifying that the timing is correct. look for the timing instructions online. turn the crank so that the marks on the cam sprockets are aligned with respect to crank TDC. I'd first check that the cmps is correct with respect to #4 compression stroke.

armcclure

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When the EXH and INT marks are at 10&2 respectively, the engine is at tdc4 compression. Each will be 3.5 chain links up from the top of the head.

Jeffron420

My thing is that if the chain was off wouldn't the car run bad or at least idle bad

armcclure

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I have intentionally ran the car a link off and you can't tell a difference.

Slowbalt2000

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you must have a lot of time on your hands to be wanting to do that **** twice.

Johnny Bliss

haha no ****

Racin Mason

have you tried turning it off and on again?