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Old 01-05-2011, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BPacak View Post
Im 8 months away from buying my first pistol, any suggestions for what i should look at?
I would recommend the S&W M&P, or CZ USA 75b

XD is a great gun as well, but I hate the safety on the back of the frame.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ddawg23213 View Post
you can build/ buy an ar-15 in the 700 dollar range no problem.

Delton Inc. MOE Edition DTI-15 .223/5.56 Rifle Black

it needs a rear flip up sight

you can do it even cheaper if you build.
Thanks for the link. I don't know enough yet to build my own.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:09 PM
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So these vultures have been landing on my truck and scratching the **** out of it. Today I saw that they were in the trees in my front yard. I grab my 9mm walked onto my front porch took aim and blew one away.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:11 PM
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It's really simple, parts just snap together if you buy a completed lower

if you buy a stripped lower it takes about an hour to put together.
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Originally Posted by Perfect.disguise View Post
Thanks for the link. I don't know enough yet to build my own.
It's not hard at all . Thats the nice thing about an AR ..... you can have a bunch of different caliber uppers that you can put on the same lower . It's one bolt and a push pin away from going from a .223 to
.204 Ruger
.20 Tactical
.20 Practical
5.45X39mm
.222 Remington
.222 Remington Magnum
6mm PPC
6.5 Grendel
6.8mm Remington SPC
7.62X25mm Tokarev
7.62x39mm
.458 socom
.50 Beowulf
lol .... I'm sure there are more ...this is just a copied and past from another forum .

The other thing about the AR is even if you want to stick to 5.56 you can have a 24 inch sniper upper for long range stuff ..... then pop the pin and unbolt down to an 16" carbine upper for tactical shooting or home defense . It's like a transformer .... you can have an upper for any occasion hehe.
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cc; Glock 27, Walther pps, keltec pf9, S&W body gaurd, Ruger Lcp....
Range Toys; Desert Eagle lol..., Glock 17,g21,ect, Ati imports 1911's, Taurus 1911's, S&W M&P's...

alot depends on your preferences... go to a local range and ask people if you may try their stuff, if you act like normal sane person most will let you.
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Originally Posted by ddawg23213 View Post
I would recommend the S&W M&P, or CZ USA 75b

XD is a great gun as well, but I hate the safety on the back of the frame.
the s&w is not really a good starter gun because of the lack of safety mechanisms. i think someone would need something that has more safeties to learn on.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Perfect.disguise View Post
Thanks for the link. I don't know enough yet to build my own.
As ddawg23213 said, it will literally snap together if you buy assembled uppers and lowers. You can learn how to do it in 5 minutes with a quick youtube search.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stetson View Post
the s&w is not really a good starter gun because of the lack of safety mechanisms. i think someone would need something that has more safeties to learn on.
I disagree, I like striker fired pistols, It uses the ultimate and most important safety mechanism..... your brain. you could have a gun with six safeties and still hurt your self or someone else with careless practices.... this way he'll learn trigger disciplines, aka common sense don't put your finger inside trigger guard until ready to fire.
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^^^Truth!

Best safety is the finger, I carry a glock all day 5 days a week loaded and ready to go. The only safety it has is my index finger (well there are internal safeties that make it imposible for the weapon to fire without pulling the trigger). I learned to shoot a pistol on an XD which has only one more safety(atleast the early models) and that safety was a grip safety so no thought was required to manipulate it. the more safetys a weapon has the more likley the weapon will fail when you need it.
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Old 01-06-2011, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Stetson View Post
the s&w is not really a good starter gun because of the lack of safety mechanisms. i think someone would need something that has more safeties to learn on.
A person new to firearms should learn not to rely on safeties, they are mechanical and can fail. as someone already said, they need to use their brain.
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Originally Posted by importkiller View Post
^^^Truth!

Best safety is the finger, I carry a glock all day 5 days a week loaded and ready to go. The only safety it has is my index finger (well there are internal safeties that make it imposible for the weapon to fire without pulling the trigger). I learned to shoot a pistol on an XD which has only one more safety(atleast the early models) and that safety was a grip safety so no thought was required to manipulate it. the more safetys a weapon has the more likley the weapon will fail when you need it.
your leo right? You know how bad the sympathetic nerve system is! Some one puts a knife in your face, your brains going to react with draw and squeeze. Well uh oh the damn saftey was on, now your dead Now if it was purely a range toy it doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by Gunney_07 View Post
your leo right? You know how bad the sympathetic nerve system is! Some one puts a knife in your face, your brains going to react with draw and squeeze. Well uh oh the damn saftey was on, now your dead Now if it was purely a range toy it doesn't matter.
Yes I am an LEO,

If you train with a 1911 and cary it in condition 1 (and if you are an LEO or use a 1911 for CCW then there is no other way you should carry the weapon, if you are military then you may have been trained to carry condition 3 but that is another discussion) then you need to train a lot on making sure every time you draw that weapon and bring it to the ready that you disengage the safety, it needs to be muscle memory and second nature that way when the **** hits the fan you remember there is a safety there) The 1911 has the safety because the light single action trigger pull. Any double action weapon should not need a safety.

Now the only handgun that I have with a safety is my p22 and that is a plinker so I don't care.
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Originally Posted by Gunney_07 View Post
alot depends on your preferences... go to a local range and ask people if you may try their stuff, if you act like normal sane person most will let you.
You guys prolly already know what I'm talking about ........but i have had people come out of the woodwork to ask about the military rifles ..... especially my AR . I never make them ask to shoot ..... I usually always offer before they get a chance to ask .

It's cool thou.... it all works out . I've gotten to shoot some pretty cool stuff in return for offering my rifles to others at the range.
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Old 01-06-2011, 10:14 PM
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liking the xd and the glock 17. anyone have or what you think about the beretta m9a1 always liked those
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Anyone ever had any experience with the AK74?
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Old 01-06-2011, 10:23 PM
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yeah, they are fun guns that aren't ridiculously expensive to shoot. They aren't as accurate as an AR, but they aren't as expensive either. 5.45x39 is usually a little cheaper than .223.
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Originally Posted by BPacak View Post
liking the xd and the glock 17. anyone have or what you think about the beretta m9a1 always liked those
not particularly with that model but my pops has a 92sb and it doesn't shoot worth poo, poor accuracy and ftf a bit. Granted it is a old well used police side arm, the barrel design is extremely loose inside the frame. They actually make bushings to fit between them to improve accuracy. But they may have improved that model.


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Anyone ever had any experience with the AK74?
an improved version of the ak47 in handling (sustained fire) and in accuracy, mostly due to cartridge. I have personally never fired one tho


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You guys prolly already know what I'm talking about ........but i have had people come out of the woodwork to ask about the military rifles ..... especially my AR . I never make them ask to shoot ..... I usually always offer before they get a chance to ask .

It's cool thou.... it all works out . I've gotten to shoot some pretty cool stuff in return for offering my rifles to others at the range.
funny you say this because when i was on a hunting trip in Missouri (see pic on page5). i was hunting with big lawyers and corporation owners and they were more interested in my cheap m44 mosin nagant then each others custom rifles... i was like WTF ?(paid $150 for the gun scope and mount)

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Old 01-06-2011, 11:26 PM
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The grip safety on my XD is exactly why i got it.

That and I shot the comparable glock (40 subcompact think its a glock 26) and didnt care for it at all, the grip was TO small, whereas the XD fits me perfectly.

That and buy "american" I know a lot of it is assembled over seas, but they do employ quite a few people here.

Gunney you ever put those pedders on? That and I didnt know you were a big time hunter like myself, we should hit up a hunt off the lake!
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:39 PM
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sure did, love the drop adore the handling! Glad you talked me into them =)
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O hai... I missed this thread. I'll post all mine up tomorrow. I reduced my collection a little bit 2 years ago. I'd like to pick a few handguns up here sooner or later. Something more concealable. Thinking Glock 27.
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Originally Posted by Gunney_07 View Post

an improved version of the ak47 in handling (sustained fire) and in accuracy, mostly due to cartridge. I have personally never fired one tho
Yeah, just curious to the people that have shot the 47 and 74 which they liked the best. Surplus Ammo is dirt cheap for either.
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AK74 fires the Rooskie version of .223... 5.45x39mm.

AK-47 is better, imo.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:59 PM
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I second the XD, I own a 45 service xd, more than 17K through it, never a weapon fail to fire. Also own a P99, love it too, but not as accurate, and a beretta 92fs, far and away the most accurate 9mm from the first to the last round with no drift a man can buy (thanks to an updated heavy barrel)
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BPacak View Post
liking the xd and the glock 17. anyone have or what you think about the beretta m9a1 always liked those
i used to ave that beretta is a good gun but lacks alot. not very accurate and pretty heavy and bulky, not a practical concealed carry gun. i say go for the springfield or glock. shop around you can find the xd for a good price. when i bought mine got it for 475 out the door at gander mountain and they gave me a $50 voucher towards my next gun purchase.
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