breds2k

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So, had almost 9000 on the KY Stage 3 clutch. used a flywheel with 1200 miles on it and lightly resurfaced it, was warned that could over extend the TOB after I had it done and already broken in....


So here we are with my commuter miles (its only been 3-4 months) under a 2-3k RPM launch, it grenaded. Was able to drive home, with complete slip with any accel in 2-3-4-5 gears. Drove it up the street today to see if anything had changed and it actually drove fine without any boosting (got to cruising speed fine) as I pulled in the driveway (went about a mile) I noticed increased notchyness in the shifter. and this is what I find.


So, with my limited mechanical knowledge lets discuss what happened... and my worst case scenario. Ive already planned on a GMPP clutch and have a good ramp on that barely spins tire in second conservatively already. But if we are talking transmission failure now.... I have problems.

Thoughts/tips/ideas/horrible bashing is accepted...
vid of the sad sight, nothing special just appears as a failed burnout

breds2k

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Found one additional leak on the top of the engine under the fuse box which is believe is a clutch line? Its leaking heavily from that area. Thought?

southal cobalt

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looks more like oil than brake fluid to me. i would check and make sure that your brake fluid reservoir is actually empty. it should be if you blew a tob. could be leaking oil from the rear main seal

breds2k

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TOB appears blown, it does look like oil. Clutch line on top of trans is loose and bolt is all the way backed off.

^^on that note I was spinning the bleeder, I guess that clutch line is supposed to be like that.

southal cobalt

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the bleeder will spin about 90 degrees if the plastic tab that holds it is broken. wont necessarily hurt sealing, but could be problematic over time.

ced carries the plastic tab that holds the bleeder block in place. its a little black cylinder.

i would check and make sure that your oil levels are normal

breds2k

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Confirm TOB failure. Brake fluid leaking. will take out trans tomorrow for GMPP clutch install

Sl0wbaltSS

Probably because of wheel hop. or the resurfaced flywheel. Plus don't launch at 3k anymore.

Omiotek

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You never have anything useful to contribute to a single thread I have seen you post in.


Breds2k flush and bleed your brakes after you change your clutch. Your fluid looks like crap. Get a brand new flywheel. The tolerances on a flywheel are minimal for resurfacing and most blow the tolerences. Get a new one call it a day dude.

LNFTX

^^

Sorry to see the new baby is down already hopefully it was just a tob failure
the gmpp with a little boost ramp should get it done just fine for yah

breds2k

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My tune is easy to I forget but I think only 15 degrees added, 14-18psi in 1st 24 in second and 26psi in third+

Sl0wbaltSS

I contribute more than other people do.

southal cobalt

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i know this is a bit off topic, but did you convert the hhr to manual? i thought all the hhrs came in auto

sc4door

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No they were available in manual and have better gearing than the cobalts (they have the 4.05 final drive). And I agree that looks like oil as well

Omiotek

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If it is oil it's your rear mainseall but based on your symptoms and the clutch slipping it's probably brake fluid. I mean feel it and smell it you will know right away what kind of fluids it is.

blueLNFftw

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Just taste it lol.

blueLNFftw

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Are you suggesting that wheel hop broke the TOB?!?
LOL.

southal cobalt

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thats pretty sweet

TurboTechRacing

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When will members learn do NOT resurface a flywheel, it WILL over extend the TOB/Slave. Just because it doesn't over extend the first couple months, does not mean it wont some day, everything wears (disc, etc) over time and it only adds to this. This (Resurfaced flywheel) is what caused the issue, not the clutch kit.

Get a new TOB/Slave, new flywheel, and have KY re build your disc (as the one you have now is full of oil), and you are all set. They should re line any disc for less than $100 I would guess. They have re lined exedy hyper singles, Clutch Masters, SPEC, etc before.

ECaulk

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Pretty sure he is...

blueLNFftw

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While you are correct with the flywheel deal, the KY clutches are not exactly consistent. Some people have great luck, others have them fail quickly or break the TOB. The engage so dang high as well. Between the gamble of getting one of the good KYs3 and the terrible engagement points they are not worth it to me.

TurboTechRacing

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These are SAC kits, and again members go and PUMP the crap out of the petal to prime the system. Pop it goes. If they would pump slow, or use a vacuum pump, a good portion would go away. This ways the same thing that was going on with SPEC clutch kits back in the day. Installation is very picky on these cars.

release point is higher on KY kits, Personally I rather have it this way, than be on the low end, and barely disengage the clutch.

blueLNFftw

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Half way would be nice though. 1/4" of pedal travel to start and maybe 1" to have it disengage is too high up; makes for an annoying daily driver.

Vacuum pump is the way to did it and the DIY guys need to do that, but often dont. It is dumb too since there are two items you can rent for free from Advance to vacuum bleed it in 5 minutes without a single pump of the clutch pedal. You cant pump the hell out of the self adjusting plates! lol.

TurboTechRacing

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We will re speak with KY on the engagement point. See if the can get it a hair lower; just don't want it to go to far

blueLNFftw

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That would make SOO many people happy. It is the number one complaint about their clutch and the reason I gave up on them. It would be a lot more satisfying if they could get the pedal travel lower some and make it behave like a GMPP in regards to that travel. They should also consider not sending out the LSJ clone, Dorman made, TOB....