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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Chevy Cobalts come with two different transmissions depending on your model. Here is some info.

Here is the GM transmission guide.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=trans_guide


2.2L/2.4L Manual

Getrag F23

Type: transverse front wheel drive, five-speed manual transaxle.

Engine Range: 2.2L-2.4L
Max Gearbox Torque: 170 lb.-ft.

Weight: 102 lbs.

Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt, HHR; Pontiac G5





2.2L/2.4L Automatic

Hydra-Matic 4T40E/4T45E

Type: four-speed front-wheel-drive, electronically controlled, automatic overdrive transaxle with electronically controlled torque converter clutch.

Engine Range: 2.2L-3.5L
Max Gearbox Torque: 325 lb.-ft.

Weight: 188 lbs.

Assembly Site: Windsor, Ontario

Applications: Chevrolet: Cobalt, Malibu, Pontiac: G5, G6, Saturn Vue 4-Cylinder.
With a max TQ rating of 325 lb/ft, it doesn't seem to be the weak link..




2.0L Supercharged

GM Europe F35

Type: transverse front wheel drive, five speed manual transaxle.

Engine Range: 2.0L
Max Gearbox Torque: 258 lb.-ft.

Weight: 99 lbs.

Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt SS


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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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wow, cant believe how much stronger the auto is compared to the 5 speed...
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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will the auto bolt up to the 2.0???
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
wow, cant believe how much stronger the auto is compared to the 5 speed...
I know that is pretty crazy.

Originally Posted by ridemlow03
will the auto bolt up to the 2.0???
I don't think so. I don't know for sure though.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 05:10 AM
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i know the manual trannies on the 2.0 vs the 2.2/2.4 use a different flywheel and clutch and whatnot, so they wont bolt up...so the auto tranny probably wont bolt up either....it might not take a lot of work to make it bolt up though
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 05:23 AM
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how can the max torque for the 2.4 tranny be within 10ftq of the rated output of the stock car?
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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good info.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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will the gme f40 transmission fit in place of the gme f35?
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 08:54 AM
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how can the max torque for the 2.4 tranny be within 10ftq of the rated output of the stock car?
I don't know. The info is straight from GM. Also remember they can probably hold more. GM seems to under rate things a lot.

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good info.
Thank you sir.

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will the gme f40 transmission fit in place of the gme f35?
Good question. I'm not sure. Hopefully someone chimes in.
Once we find out I will add the info to the first post.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by takes5tries
will the gme f40 transmission fit in place of the gme f35?
dang and to think a couple of people on here said the f35 could handle more then the 4t65e. 400 ft-lbs is pretty good and would let alot of people to run 350whp and slicks and be fine.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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dang and to think a couple of people on here said the f35 could handle more then the 4t65e. 400 ft-lbs is pretty good and would let alot of people to run 350whp and slicks and be fine.
I'm surprised. You can put some decent power to those.
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 02:28 AM
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It's an older tranny and was designed with V6s in mind...
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 02:33 AM
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its all about bellhousing for the auto to 2.0 swap. the f40 will not fit in the 2.0 sorry. you can get it regeared by QUALIFE... or built by a pro tranny builder(shoot peened gears and stronger shift forks).. but its $$$$
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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can someone tell me where to buy a new transmission for my ss/sc 06 used ..
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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can someone tell me where to buy a new transmission for my ss/sc 06 used ..
http://car-part.com/ This should help you out. Every salvage yard around the U.S. is on here.
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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what do we have slip or no slip for a trans
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Old Oct 11, 2007 | 10:03 AM
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ok so i have done some research not much cuz i still have questions. The saab 9-3 uses an lk9 2.0l ecotec engine that is as far as i can tell the same as the lsj or ls1. the lk9 however uses the f40 transmission where as the lsj uses the f35. Why wouldnt you be able to swap these out? any information would be great on this. http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2100
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...EC20LI4ENGINES
just a couple informative pages
if you got anything else chime in please
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Old Oct 11, 2007 | 10:09 AM
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This is the first time I seen this thread since I been back. All I have to say is the LSJ tranny weighs alot more then 99 pounds lol. If that would of been the case I could of bench pressed it back into the car. That thing took 4 of us to pick it up and place it in correctly lol.
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Old Oct 11, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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The auto tranny weighs a damn ton...that's why it can handle 325 ft'lbs of torque.
Interesting information though. I wasn't aware that the f23 was so limited. The 2.2l and 2.4l manualguys really need to be careful with F/I or Nitrous Oxide applications
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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bump!!!

Last edited by takes5tries; Oct 18, 2007 at 01:47 PM. Reason: lazy
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Well thats the problem. I have a 2.2 man and i thought that i would be ok running aprx 250hp through the tranny as long as i drove it as the gears were straight cut. I know that sounds dumb but it just invovles double-clutching and rev matching (which i am fully capable of)....i need info on how much power people are running through this tranny!!!!
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 10:05 PM
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the f23 has been in the j-body since 2000. lots of people running plenty of power through them with the gm supercharger kits, turbo kits, nitrous. there have been people putting 400hp though one, i know the hahn turbo sunfire was running over 450hp on a street driven car.
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Old Nov 2, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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nice thats the info i want....still think im gonna buy a GTO...u know for winter
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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so...how much power exactly can the Getrag F23 tranny handle...hmmz....what about the stock clutch?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:39 PM
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not sure what the official rating of the f23 is, however i know of a couple j-bodies with 350+hp ecotecs and they are holding strong. the clutch, depends on how you drive it, but for anything more than 200hp id be looking at aftermarket
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