So i was driving out to lunch the other day and a guy in a GTO 5.7 with 350 HP wanted to go at it so we did a rolling race from around 5 to 60 MPH and he could bearly pull away. I was really surprised by the SS and so was the other guy, he asked me what i had done to my car and he was shocked that it was stock. I'm sure off the line he would have beaten me but on a rolling start it was pretty close. I must say his sounded much meaner but the SS did pretty damn well for being 22K.

 

How much did he pull away. By what speed did he have you and for how many cars in distance

 

i too have raced one in a rl thoe... I have intake and exhaust! well i got raped as soon as he floored it( 40 mph ) then i played catch up for a gear then i pulled just slightly past his car half a car then I had to cut off(red light) he gave me props ! i was proud


6.0 watch out for they no joke !

 

We did a 15-20 MPH roll start and got to about 60-70MPH he might have gotten less than a 1/2 car length ahead

 

Sorry have to raise the BS flag....... I have an 04 GTO, ( and Cobalt ) and unless the GTO driver is clueless this story is VERY suspect.

 

No BS flag needed. The '04 GTO's are slow, a SS/SC should have walked it. Now the 05 GTO's, on the other hand, are pretty quick and would run away from a SS/SC.

 

McHat..... BS.

 

I agree. The GTO runs a low 13. That cobalt driver would be holding it's ass right now cause the loss hurt so bad.

 

The 04 GTO's would be lucky to break 14.0... no where close to low 13's. The '05's are the ones to watch. The 04 GTO's I've seen run at the local track were barely able to run less than 14.5. I still expect the SS/SC to do better than that, esp from a roll.

 

The GTO runs a low 13. to 13.5 stock, you can keep telling yourself the cobalt will keep up, but that isn't going to make it happen.

 

i have a SS and i know people with 04 GTO's. No cobalt right now can keep up with someone who knows how to drive a GTO, there is prob. plenty of people that can't drive them. I just got my SS, and im still learning stick, coming from driving on an auto. an auto 04 gto can run a 9 flat in the 1/8th, i saw it last night, and thats a stock auto GTO...

 

You sir, are an idiot. People have hit 13.1 stock with an 04.

 

mchat, your an idiot, just thought id say it. look at the numbers. ss~100mph trap gto~mid-high 100 trap. what are guys running trap wise around here? ive seen mags run just under 100 and srt's a hair over a 100. but the gto is above all them. and yall say a sti would womp all over the ss? gto beats the sti. i don't doubt the credibility of the race. an auto is a few mph slower then a stick, and the ss is a fast car, driver error is all it takes on the street or strip. i just couldn't read mchats responses and let him stay there thinking that. anyways, ill be keeping around. later yall

 

*jumps on mchat is an idiot bandwagon*

 

Sounds to me like everyone is getting the 04 GTO and the 05 GTO confused. The 05 one runs low 13's stock. The '04 will be lucky to see low 14's. I have PERSONALLY witnessed both at the local track. Three different '04's have run right at 14.5 (all ATX, IIRC), the one '05 that was out ran a 13.2 w/ a 2.2 60'.

That's PERSONALLY experience, not bench racing based off some magazine's claims.

And 9 flat at the 1/8 equates to about 14 flat in the 1/4.

 

Your are the extreme opposite of "bench racing" as you call it. Instead of looking at the magazine numbers and comparing them to what most drivers can do, you simply go by the couple runs you saw at the track

FACT: The 2004 Pontiac GTO 5.7 LS1 will run low-mid 13's with a good driver. Thats what the mags got, thats what the car is capable of. The people you claim you saw at the track obviously couldn't drive worth a ****, because they should have at least been in the high 13's. Just because "thats what you saw" doesn't mean thats all the car is capable of

The 2005 GTO 6.0 LS2 runs up to a full second faster in the 1/4 mile, they average mid-high 12's. But we're talking about the 2004 model here.

The bottom line is that nobody cares what you claim to have "seen". One bad driver does not make it a bad car, so enough with the ricer "well thats what I seen" crap.

As for the original post, doesn't seem right that an 04 GTO would only pull away "a little" on a stock Cobalt SS S/C. However, a couple factors could make it possible. If it was an auto, that would put him at a disadvantage, and if he wasn't good at stick, that would put him at an even bigger disadvantage. Auto 2004 GTO's tend to run high 13's, so from a roll, those results could be possible. If it was stick, the guy might not have downshifted into the powerband, which would keep him from really pulling on you.

Either way, nice runs. And mchat, please don't be an idiot anymore

 

If I saw ONE 04 GTO run those numbers, I could agree with you. However, I saw THREE different GTO's all run about the same number numerous times.

And I'd like to see what magazines drove the 04 GTO to a low 13 STOCK. Best one that I've found online (http://www.fast-autos.net/pontiac/04pontiacgto.html) was 13.8 (MTX vs the ATX's I saw at the strip).

So maybe the 04 should have walked away from the SS/SC instead of the other way around, it still wouldn't be like sending a lamb to the slaughterhouse.

 

The LS1 GTO sucks at the track due to IRS. I have yet to see one with my own eyes do better than 13.9.

They are between the LT1 and LS1 F-Bodies performance wise.

 

which are above the SS S/C

 

Keep in mind if it was a Auto GTO there are many dead spots which a 14 second car could make them look really, really bad.

 

LS1 ENGINE CLASS

Top NA ET's - Stock:
1) ls1gto 13.10 @ 107.3 MPH
2) TRU GTO 13.136 @ 105.76 MPH
3) nutiger 13.245 @ 104.86 MPH
4) GTONEWB 13.248 105.99 MPH
5) Nmbr1GMfan 13.390 @ 104.54 MPH
6) nikivee 13.3 @ 104.00 MPH
7) 1meangoat 13.307 @ 104.61 MPH
8) win98nogood 13.393 @ 105.10 MPH

Top NA LS2 ET's - Stock:
1) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
2) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
3) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
4) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
5) steelerguy 13.378 @ 106.54 MPH
6) Darren 13.420 @ 104.19 MPH
7) Kruul 13.446 @ 105.04 MPH
8) VR42GTO 13.453 @ 105.18 MPH
9) Tanglewood 13.527 @ 105.40 MPH
and some times from some mags

motortrend
1968 GTO 2004 GTO
Engine 400-cubic-inch V-8 346-cubic-inch V-8
Horsepower 360 @ 5400 rpm (SAE gross) 350 @ 5200 rpm (SAE net)
Torque 445 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm 365 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Transmission 4-speed manual 6-speed manual
Curb weight, lb 3650 3725
0-60 mph, se 6.5 5.3
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 14.80 @ 96.00 13.62 @ 104.78
Braking, 60-0, ft 150 120
Base price $3228 $33,000 (est)
hope this shuts you up. times could be faster, but its an independent rear wheel drive car with over 350 foot pounds of torque, not exactly easy to launch. ever heard of wheel hop? the trap speeds are what i usually look at. why does a cobalt only go 14.5 in some mag tests but trap right about a 100 mph? ive seen other cars do right at 14 flat at those traps. its called traction. plus the 2005 picked up some time and mph with the added power. if i can't afford a goat when i graduate, then next would be the SS. i like the speed and some what the style of the redline, but i can't get past the interior, or worse, the guages.

 

Wow, I wonder how many runs it took to produce all of those times?

 

You're point? I am sure you will run a 14.0 the first time in your car right? Wait, lemme guess, you ran one of the four 16 second Cobalt SS's I saw the other day.

Somehow, I think the story is true except for some exageration meaning 1/2 a car=2.5 cars and the speed it went into.

I have only driven an 04 GTO once at the track (my buddies) and I was able to pull of a 13.4@105...and that was my first time.

An 04 GTO M6 is just as fast as an 02 LS1 F-car M6, it just takes more skill to run it. I believe autos have Torque Managment which slows them down, but that can be taken away with tuning.

W/e the facts are, 14 second GTO's are the same as 16 second Cobalt SS's.

But nontheless, good races everyone.

 

and besides.. they're 400 hp anyways, correct???

 

I think it's pretty easy to figure out what I am saying isn't it?

The GTO isn't as fast as a LS1 F-Body and F-Bodies don't consistantly run 13.0 so neither will a GTO with a junk IRS. Those numbers are not typical of a LS1 GTO and were most likely achived by beating the snot out of the car time and time again.

And don't even start a F-Body vs GTO argument either.


If I run a 16 in my Cobalt SS I will sell it the next day.