could anybody tell me who would win the race of the cobalt and a 02 acura rsx cause theres a guy that works with me thinking of getting one and i wanted to know which would be faster

 

Definately the cobalt. My redline eats type s's all day. Not stock s's either, ive suprised a few with my redline.

 

The Honda K-Series engines are strong, but ARE N/A, Even if the 4 cylinders are pumping more than the supercharged engine, the supercharged engine will win. Why? Low RPM Torque of course! Not surprising a redline would smoke an RSX off the line because tourque, especially in first gear, is forcing that car off the line. The RSX isnt built for off the line, more or less mid-rpm range power. As for the 2005's I'm not sure, 10 HP isnt that much, and I have heard they weigh a bit more, but who knows. ill take my chances against one in my Cobalt SS any day

 

i can tell you the answer quite easily! the rsx has mad loads of HP but honda has always lacked one thing some thing americans call torque lol well the rsx type s only has 210 bhp @ 7800 rpm and 143 lbs-ft @ 7000 rpm you see how low that torque is the 2.2 ecotec stock i think has 145 tq stock the ss has 200 or 205 of tq and it gains it quick and continues to push it! we run 14.8 or better and the RSX type S runs 15.3

its 0 to 60 is 6.7 seconds, the cobalt ss does it in 6.2 that . 5 secs may not seem alot but it is in track time and trust me unless u supercharge or turbo charge the RSX it will never gain that extra 40+ torque to catch up to the SS tq is hard to gain compared to hp sometimes when u gain hp u lose tq and vice versa

Plus the type s costs more than SS by a 1000 or more

l8r all

if any of my info is wrong sorry please correct me here is were i got my specs from

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadt...3/article.html

 

you need a really good track driver to launch torque challenged cars RSX/ Celica properly. You need to lauch them at very high rpm's and feather the clutch , you can't dump it because you will spin your tires. and you can't dump them at a lower rmp because you will be out of the powerband.
The SS will be much easier for the average driver to launch.

That said a Type S will can get a mid 14 sec 1/4 mile. but 0-60 a type s will not catch you.

 

If the ss is anything like the redline, then it will be kind of a challenge to launch it good. Im used to it now and love it but when i first got it, i couldnt launch very well. You have to launch at like 2k,and feather it out, or you will do nothing but spin... But like i said now i can drive it like a raped ape! And about the type s doing 14's... I doubt it, everyone i raced i torched bad..

 

this guy i work with wnats an rsx type-s or an old school vette like maybe a 97-98 which would i have a better chance of gettin with if i had a cobalt ss with a few mods

 

this guy i work with wants an rsx type-s or an old school vette like maybe a 97-98 which would i have a better chance of gettin with if i had a cobalt ss with a few mods

 

please no double post bro ^ other than that i dunno lol keep cobalt ss .net a fun experieence!

 

A base C5 Vette will run 13's... neither an RSX-S or Cobalt can touch that with out some serious mods.

 

The RSX-S has no torque. However, a really competent driver who knows how to launch the car at the higher rpms and stay within its powerband (5K and up) can yield some really good times.

 

The 210hp rating for the RSX-S is for the 05s (and likely 06). The 02-04s only have 200 hp@7400 rpm and 142 ft-lbs of torque at 6000 rpm. The 2002+ Integra Type R (which is essentially an RSX-S minus all the luxury and extra weight) has 220 hp. The only major differences (besides the weight) are the cams (2005 has ITR cams), pistons, ECU, the tires it comes with and intake manifold.

So, here's what I think... ITR > Cobalt SS/SC > RSX-S in terms of speed.

Stock for stock, the Cobalt SS would likely win with in a straight line with equal drivers. I have no idea how the Cobalt SS handles so no comments on that at this time. And it'll be a few more months until I can find out. The RSX-S also comes with incredibly crappy all-season tires. If the tires were swapped and the engine mounts stiffened, it would launch a whole lot better. But then we're no longer comparing stock to stock. I'm also sure the drivers make a big difference.

I've (until now) not brought up the question of "if the RSX had a supercharger/turbo" simply because it does not come stock. Plus, that was already covered in a post here which I partially agree with (I don't believe an RSX NEEDS a turbo/supercharger to keep up). And that's what I like about the RSX-S, it doesn't need a supercharger to be of a challenge.

Redlinekid_04, do you know what mods the RSX-S had? Personally, I think a stock Ion Redline or Cobalt SS would not (easily?) beat an RSX-S with only a Hondata ECU and I/H/E. The reprogrammed ECU makes a HUGE difference. It pretty much unlocks the potential for the engine. You have to remember in North America, the car was tuned as an entry level luxury coupe.

 

Oh yeah... The 2005 RSX-S also has the Integra Type R's final drive meaning it'll out accelerate (maybe?) the 2002-2004 RSX-S. I say maybe because there's the extra weight (~70 lbs I think). But the 2005 RSX-S is still lighter than the Cobalt SS.

When the Cobalt SS comes out, this can be put to the test. Right now all we're doing is theorizing (except Redlinekid_04 who has gone up against some RSXs; but who knows? Maybe he's an exceptional driver?). As I'm sure we'll all see, there will be posts on the Cobalt beating the RSX and vice-versa. It all depends on which board you're on.

 

integra type R 220hp????? huh?? since when? i know final year it came with 190hp and like 140tq, the integra type r was hitting 14.7 do to its gearing, it has really close ratio gearing so it out accelerates, but sucks for every day driving. its also extremly light i believe it weighed 2500-2600lbs. rsx-s weighs 2900lbs with 210hp and still only able to achieve a 15.0 in the 1/4. as far as luxury wise both out do the cobalt, suspension turns wise all probably the same.

 

You're thinking the previous model Integra Type R which was released in North America. The 2002+ ITR is only in Japan. Well, I believe it's in Australia and the UK too but I do not believe they're the "true" ITR as I believe they've got the 200 hp (K20A2) engine (But they get the LSD where we don't). There is a LOT more potential with the K20 engines in MY opinion. You are free to think different.

Anyway, here's a link showing the ITR has 220 hp. Doesn't matter if you can't read Japanese. Just start clicking on links. Japanese Honda Integra page.

The specs are all here. If you can't read Japanese, look for "kW［PS］/rpm". The Type R has 220hp.

Anyway, many stock RSX-S's (both the 2002-2004 and the 2005) have done better than 15 sec. Take this as you will. The links I'm posting are from other people's times so...

This link covers the old Integra Type R vs the RSX-S and 2002+ ITR. A lot of these are stock times. http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=227800

This link covers some stock RSX-S times. http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=228354
Bone stock 2005 RSX-S

Keep in mind that the times you see are from different people. You can't compare that with the BEST times of the Cobalt SS or Redline.

There are some good stock times there and some bad. But I never assume anyone is going to get the best times. I think it's better to know the average. I'm sure when the Cobalt SS is out, I'm going to see times in the 15s as well as 14s.

 

Your talking about the American Acura Integra Type R's. Since 2002 the Honda Integra Type R in Japan has had roughly 210, 220 horse. They are quick no doubt, id love to have a honda integra type R anyday. Problem with Honda is they always push out N/A applications, no F/I or anything. As for the suspension..yea factory would be about the same, luxury wise obviously, even the Hondas let alone the acura's were nicely appointed.

 

Ok ok i came across this post and we need to even something up...you guys are comparing a Supercharged Engine to a Naturally Aspirated one...thats not fair. So lets take the K20A2 200hp rsx engine and boost it as well, with say a Cybernation Stage I Turbo kit, now its around 300WHP and about 230TQ give or take...so when you even up the board the Chevy still loses, just like my friends decked out LT1...just my .02.

 

Haha I am well aware that I was comparing two different ranges (N/A and F/Ied engines) but it seemed I needed to clarify the point that Yes supposedly the cobalt would win. As for anything else, its difficult to say. Basically I do agree that it is unfair, as long as the horsepower/torque to weight ratio is different, to compare a F/Ied car to a N/A. Exactly what you mean though, could go both ways. The fight over it just goes back and forth. Basically either car with the most and or best mods wins. Then you can factor in weight, horse/torque and all the goodies. Basically you can speculate all you want, but you wont find out till track day my .02

 

The way i see it to actually balance the cars, you'd have to drop the SC on the Cobalt to put it next to an RSX, F/I is a different class, lol even if it isn't putting out impresive numbers....

 

i own an 02 rsx and its true that many people have hit a 14 sec ET stock, but thats the rsx at its best. i'm sure not every cobalt driver is a pro racer so it would actually be a pretty even match up with the cobalt having the advantage. the thing is, not many rsx's stay stock. with just an intake ($200+?), 1/4 mile times are near identical.

ABP i dont really think its fair to say "what if the rsx had a turbo" because thats not what it has stock. cybernation kit is like what, $3k? of course 3k in modification will make it faster, but to make it even you need to invest 3k in the cobalt and then compare it. with i/h/e/Ecu i'm actually able to beat most borderline 14/13 second cars. people with my similar setup dyno 210whp +/- and run very high 13's with 100+mph traps.just the other night i raced an 04 6sp g35 from 50-130 and was able to put 3 cars or more on it. a big problem with the rsx is traction. with new polyurethane motor mounts (30 bucks) and new tires an rsx can easily drop its time by .3 or so. what i guess i'm trying to say overall is, yes cobalt would win stock for stock but an rsx responds very well for a naturally aspirated motor so be careful racing any modified rsx.

about the 05's, acura underrates it with only a 10hp increase. if you search around www.clubrsx.com you'd see that tons of 05 owners are in the 14's COMPLETELY stock. and let me tell you, with the ITR IM and more aggressive cams they gave it stock, they respond VERY well to basic bolt ons. just with an intake and race header ($500) people are running mid-low 14's.

the best way to learn about an rsx is not to ask cobalt owners, go do some searching on an rsx based website.

 

Well said! Imagine what things will be like once Hondata cracks the 05 ECU...

 

haha, i was wondering when some of you guys would make it over here, key reason why i havent posted yet...good stuff though!

and in all honesty...it is stock vs stock. and dont take me for just another "cobalt" guy. ive forgotten way more than most would know about honda's and acuras. ive researched the RSX and its mods since the car came out day one. why? because i myself was going to get one. and yes, i was going to put the stage one cybernation kit on it and put around 9 lbs to get myself around the 300 whp mark. guardian is the cream and all but all this recent news about it has kinda turned me off to it. so if i were to get one, i would go with the k-pro more than likely. but anyways...

while they are two different types of engines, it in essence is a fair comparison. why? because it is stock vs. stock. honda decided to go NA, which was a good decision on their part because that k20 is a top end monster. chevy saw a trend in the possiblity of offering a moderately powered car with a supercharger (that really is underated as well), and then being able to offer upgrades for the car which will make it even more powerful. them placing it at the lower hp bracket was a safe marketing move. being able to make it available to kids whose parents didnt want them to have too much power, but also giving us who want more, the ability to get more. i mean, come on! the motor is already built for more. honda could have decided to go with FI as well (and it looks like they are still considering it, with the rumored FI k24) but they didnt. it puts its power to the ground, and so does chevy's cobalt. stock vs stock, its still a race, regardless of what its got under the hood.

 

well i mentioned the rsxs modified capabilities because the starter of the thread never said anything about the cars being stock. if they like to race cars, more than likely they're going to modify. umm, i dont know where you read about the type-s but cybernation stage 1 alone will get you 275-300whp on 6lbs. just some random information there have been turbo rsx's that have even gone in to the 12 sec et's but i could have sworn somebody hit 11's (the thread hasnt been updated in half a year).

its pretty much the same thing with the rsx in regards to having it in the lower hp range. the k-series engine are dyno proven to put out more hp than most 4cyl N/A engines. n/a or f/i they have tons of potential. the basic f/i kit on low boost is guaranteed 13's with a half decent driver. companies now are even in the works of for F/I cams to be released soon. don't get me wrong, i'm sure the cobalt will have a large aftermarket growing too but the fact is the rsx is further along in the process and already has new parts being released pretty often.

 

ill have to say ive never seen a rsx-s make 300 whp on 6lbs...now maybe 275, but not 300. using the guardian piggyback will help but ive still only see cars either boosting 9 or 10 lbs hit the 300 mark. and i go to both clubrsx.com and cybernationmotorsports.com forums for this info. the only forums i visit there are the FI forums, so yeah....

 

i've been on clubrsx since 02 and trust me, unless its a base no rsx is going to be making only 200whp with a cybernation stage 1. 30whp from a turbo? even the older b-series benefited more than that on a less aggressive kit like greddy. cybernation is known for there great gains and success with the k-series motors. you might want to try searching around the website a little more. even recently there was a local dyno day at a local shop and a k20a rsx dynod at about 320 whp on 7lbs. you're on cybernationmotorsports? well even they claim 250-300whp